The Michigan couple has been arrested

[p7nk]

Defending themselves from what? From what I have seen there was no threat. Please change my mind. Seriously. I want you to.

Brandishing a weapon (pointing it at people, not just wearing it) unnecessarily is illegal in almost all states. This is the normal consequence of that behavior. If I ever point my gun at someone it is only because they are about to get dropped. That is it’s only purpose.

Not responsible gun owners.

White Misk a service member has spoken.. looks like you by your logic.. have to stand down

[VisionaryLarry]

Why would they pull a gun out in that situation? Yea they're trash and probably harassing them. Just get in your car and laugh on your way home.

Why do people overreact so much? No composure. The protection from the gun is knowing you have one in case of a last resort scenario. You should be calm and focused knowing you have it.

This entire situation is a complete chit show of people.

[Wazooty]

Apprently, the police aren't happy with having the entire left wing wanting them dead. Now, they want to deliberately ignore left wing violence, go after good people defending themselves form said violence, and make enemies of the entire country. Nice. I'm sure that will turn out great for them.

Yes, they did some dumb chit with their weapons, but for the police to ignore the elephant in the room and focus on infinitesimally minuscule (and largely justified) crime has made my sympathy for them run low.

[drvillain]

Why would they pull a gun out in that situation? Yea they're trash and probably harassing them. Just get in your car and laugh on your way home.

Why do people overreact so much? No composure. The protection from the gun is knowing you have one in case of a last resort scenario. You should be calm and focused knowing you have it.

This entire situation is a complete chit show of people.

This. Also how dumb is the husband for letting his wife STAY involved in such a stupid situation? BEYTUH

[VisionaryLarry]

This. Also how dumb is the husband for letting his wife STAY involved in such a stupid situation? BEYTUH

Exactly. He should have taken charge. Women in a tense and even remotely physical situation will freak out. Almost always. Men are the protectors and leaders. But this guy is a beta male.

This is society for you. All this beta males are letting women lead and you see the repercussions of it.

[vitruv]

Apprently, the police aren't happy with having the entire left wing wanting them dead. Now, they want to deliberately ignore left wing violence, go after good people defending themselves form said violence, and make enemies of the entire country. Nice. I'm sure that will turn out great for them.

Yes, they did some dumb chit with their weapons, but for the police to ignore the elephant in the room and focus on infinitesimally minuscule (and largely justified) crime has made my sympathy for them run low.

This. Empathy is a privilege. If police want to die on that hill to appease their leftist union masters that’s on them.

Also the mom/daughter hit the car and blocked it in. Similar to what we’ve seen at the protests

[Vhagar]

That Karen pulled out that gun for no reason.. she was never in danger.. good.. arrest her

Don’t you have some BBC’s to be choking on

[DDSF1]

The leftist racists have entered are engaging in those elite level mental gymnastics.

[DDSF1]

Sorry, but no

White Misk a service member has spoken.. looks like you by your logic.. have to stand down

Why would they pull a gun out in that situation? Yea they're trash and probably harassing them. Just get in your car and laugh on your way home.

Why do people overreact so much? No composure. The protection from the gun is knowing you have one in case of a last resort scenario. You should be calm and focused knowing you have it.

This entire situation is a complete chit show of people.

This. Also how dumb is the husband for letting his wife STAY involved in such a stupid situation? BEYTUH

This. Empathy is a privilege. If police want to die on that hill to appease their leftist union masters that’s on them.

Also the mom/daughter hit the car and blocked it in. Similar to what we’ve seen at the protests

Example of the aforementioned leftist racists engaged in elite level mental gymnastics. Cognitive dissonance at its finest once again on display from the left.

[drvillain]

Example of the aforementioned leftist racists engaged in elite level mental gymnastics. Cognitive dissonance at its finest once again on display from the left.

My “racism” definitely on full display here. LMAO

You’re pathetic

[vickissick07]

If this story teaches you anything it's that next time just pull the ****ing trigger. You're gonna get arrested anyway. At least cleanse the earth of some scum before you go.

[ANumber1]

If this story teaches you anything it's that next time just pull the ****ing trigger. You're gonna get arrested anyway. At least cleanse the earth of some scum before you go.

Yeah, I'm sure murdering a cop's family would have definitely ended better for her than this.

Also, there's no way she didn't start it. Has a history of going berserk on people.

[MiscInformed]

Felony assault?

LOL.

That's like charging a lifeguard with sexual assault for performing CPR on a drowning victim.

[VinnyPazRules]

Lol @ clown world

Two regular Americans forced to defend themselves against filthy street trash are the ones that are arrested.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/202...mily/24544431/

You can't point guns at people for no reason idiot. The protesters did nothing to them.

You're the clown who thinks they should get away with it because you don't agree with the protesters. You are a loser.

[VinnyPazRules]

Liberalism rewards failure

This country would not exist without liberalism idiot. Democracy itself is liberalism. The problem is scum like you that think you have more rights then other Americans. You think you're a cut above when you're actually a notch below.

[ANumber1]

You can't point guns at people for no reason idiot. The protesters did nothing to them.

You're the clown who thinks they should get away with it because you don't agree with the protesters. You are a loser.

This wasn't that one. This is the one where Karen bumped into a 15-year-old and apparently started cursing and screaming when she was asked to apologize, then they wouldn't let it go and she ended up pulling a gun instead of driving away. Turned out to be a cop's wife and daughters she drew on.

I gave her the benefit of the doubt about how it started, but people found other social media posts about prior outbursts screaming abuse at people over nothing in other settings.

[VinnyPazRules]

Notice how they mention race when theyre blatantly distorting the story to make the couple look bad and the lovely ladies innocent.

Mind you if the lovely ladies flat out started beating them as they had suggested they were gonna do race would have not been brought up.

Thats not what happened though is it. The trailer hillbilly thinks she can go around putting guns in peoples faces and she found out the hard way that she can not.

[VisionaryLarry]

Example of the aforementioned leftist racists engaged in elite level mental gymnastics. Cognitive dissonance at its finest once again on display from the left.

I'm a pro 2a traditional conservative that is most likely much more conservative than you.

It's called situational awareness.

[MiscInformed]

This wasn't that one. This is the one where Karen bumped into a 15-year-old and apparently started cursing and screaming when she was asked to apologize, then they wouldn't let it go and she ended up pulling a gun instead of driving away. Turned out to be a cop's wife and daughters she drew on.

I gave her the benefit of the doubt about how it started, but people found other social media posts about prior outbursts screaming abuse at people over nothing in other settings.

Not how it went down. The rachet lady and her kid weren't social distancing and tried to enter at the same time the couple were exiting. The lady and the kid bumped. The rachet lady copped an attitude and yelled "excuse you?!" at the lady, then words were exchanged. Rachet lady and daughter followed couple to car and escalated the situation with racial epithets and threats of violence. Shown on the full video. Couple tried to leave and lady's daughter situated herself behind the car, then smashed her fist into the car. It was at that point the lady got out of the car and drew her gun, fearing that the rachet lady and her daughter were hell bent on escalating the situation to physical violence.

She acted in a way that is consistent with a reasonable person's understanding of her right to defend herself.

[Dirtybiscuit]

Should have shot that damn animal she used as a weave off her ghetto ass head.

[KramericaInd]

its funny how these two are arrested but what about all the subhuman trash in chicago killing themselves, why nobody arrests them?
these people are a plague to the united states. cut a piece off of the u.s and send them all there

[lampelys]

**** off you racist piece of chit. Scum like you are going to be eradicated. I know most of the misc including op thinks this way but they're not dumb enough to say it.

Enjoy your ban ******* have fun making another alt loser. You're so dumb you can't even maintain a web account.

Welcome to band camp too you emotional toaster.

[TkHomie]

Wait, I legit don’t get why people are saying she pulled her gun out for no reason?

- she was trying to deescalate the situation and the other two were being very hostile
- she actually DID try to leave but the lady smacked her car and accused them of hitting her
- I’m assuming they stopped because they didnt know if they had the chance to leave or not without actually hitting someone. The smack confirmed contact was made.
- One of the ladies shouted “ILL BEAT YO FUKIN ASS” as both of them RUSHED HER CAR
- Karen comes out and says “get the FUK away from me” and pulls out her gun

The misc is looking at this in hindsight... but Karen probably didn’t know if the other lady was actually hit or not and didn’t want to run. Either way they rushed her car after threatening to beat her ass and she pulled out her weapon.

This isn’t a “she did it for no reason” type scenario.

[Fozzy13]

she pulled out her gun bc someone slapped the back of her van that was backing up into them.

The family wasn't innocent but nothing that justified the lady pointing her gun in their faces. Only reason misc has such retarded logic in this instance is bc they're racist.

If it was some white woman and her 15yr old daighter who slapped the back of a vehicle and a black man came out and pointed at a gun in their faces...Ithink we all know the reaction that it would get.

Wait, I legit don’t get why people are saying she pulled her gun out for no reason?

- she was trying to deescalate the situation and the other two were being very hostile
- she actually DID try to leave but the lady smacked her car and accused them of hitting her
- One of the ladies shouted “ILL BEAT YO FUKIN ASS” as both of them RUSHED HER CAR
- Karen comes out and says “get the FUK away from me” and pulls out her gun

The misc is looking at this in hindsight... but Karen probably didn’t know if the other lady was actually hit or not and didn’t want to run. Either way they rushed her car after threatening to beat her ass and she pulled out her weapon.

This isn’t a “she did it for no reason” type scenario.

She was already in her van...the other party were in the parking lot behind the vehicle...the van was backing into them...besides all that, there was room for the driver to drive forward and get out.

Fkn retarded to say you were in fear of your life bc someone slapped the back of your 2thousand lb vehicle when you could have just drove off

its funny how these two are arrested but what about all the subhuman trash in chicago killing themselves, why nobody arrests them?
these people are a plague to the united states. cut a piece off of the u.s and send them all there

Its funny how you compare one random incident to a bunch of completely unrelated instances.

[TkHomie]

she pulled out her gun bc someone slapped the back of her van that was backing up into them.

The family wasn't innocent but nothing that justified the lady pointing her gun in their faces.



She was already in her van...the other party were in the parking lot behind the vehicle...the van was backing into them...besides all that, there was room for the driver to drive forward and get out.

Fkn retarded to say you were in fear of your life bc someone slapped the back of your 2thousand lb vehicle when you could have just drove off

She didn’t pull out her gun because someone slapped her car, she pulled out her gun because when she got out THEY RUSHED AT HER

If they had drove off while thinking they hit her, they would’ve still gotten in trouble. Maybe not as much as now, but again... hindsight. She could’ve stayed in the van, but two very hostile people coming at your vehicle while accusing you of hitting one of them, threatening to beat your ass.... yeah I can see why some people would take the route she took.

Edit: also they lady that claim to have gotten hit by the vehicle had plenty of room to move elsewhere.... which strongly suggests she purposefully got in that position for that to be setup. If you see a vehicle backing up, why move towards it? Even if she was standing there before the vehicle even started moving (which doesn’t seem to be the case), why stay there? She provoked that scene.

[ANumber1]

Not how it went down. The rachet lady and her kid weren't social distancing and tried to enter at the same time the couple were exiting. The lady and the kid bumped. The rachet lady copped an attitude and yelled "excuse you?!" at the lady, then words were exchanged. Rachet lady and daughter followed couple to car and escalated the situation with racial epithets and threats of violence. Shown on the full video. Couple tried to leave and lady's daughter situated herself behind the car, then smashed her fist into the car. It was at that point the lady got out of the car and drew her gun, fearing that the rachet lady and her daughter were hell bent on escalating the situation to physical violence.

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Please link the video that shows the bolded. The "full video" I saw only picks up earlier at the side of the car. I'd love to see how this really started. The family's narrative has been that she said "excuse you" and the mother insisted on an apology, and that Karen went ballistic, "cussing me out". This is consistent with the paper trail of her described behavior during another public incident that was documented online last year so I'm taking it at face value at this point.

I agree with you 100% that the other family wouldn't let it go and did hear the verbal threat toward the husband, but "not letting it go" goes both ways. That threatening remark is going to be Karen's only saving grace for a plausible justification argument if this goes to trial. Pulling a gun because somebody slapped your car isn't going to fly anywhere that I'm familiar with, and MI statute appears to read that all assaults with a firearm are an automatic felony.

My first read on this was that she was at least arguably justified, but as I got further into the facts, it's gotten progressively less favorable for her. If she's smart, she'll take a plea deal so she doesn't risk a felony conviction.

[Roldz]

**** off you racist piece of chit. Scum like you are going to be eradicated. I know most of the misc including op thinks this way but they're not dumb enough to say it.

Enjoy your ban ******* have fun making another alt loser. You're so dumb you can't even maintain a web account.

Strong autistic meltdown

[TkHomie]

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Please link the video that shows the bolded. The "full video" I saw only picks up earlier at the side of the car. I'd love to see how this really started. The family's narrative has been that she said "excuse you" and the mother insisted on an apology, and that Karen went ballistic, "cussing me out". This is consistent with the paper trail of her described behavior during another public incident that was documented online last year so I'm taking it at face value at this point.

I agree with you 100% that the other family wouldn't let it go and did hear the verbal threat toward the husband, but "not letting it go" goes both ways. That threatening remark is going to be Karen's only saving grace for a plausible justification argument if this goes to trial. Pulling a gun because somebody slapped your car isn't going to fly anywhere that I'm familiar with, and MI statute appears to read that all assaults with a firearm are an automatic felony.

My first read on this was that she was at least arguably justified, but as new facts have come out, it's gotten progressively less favorable for her. If she's smart, she'll try to get a non-felony plea deal.

https://youtu.be/iZhdMcrBuDU

Don’t know if you’ve seen this longer version but they clearly run at her car while threatening to beat her ass. I highly doubt Karen pulled out a gun simply because her car was smacked.

[AWSbruh]

Saw the whole video and the two girls in the video are ghetto trash started the whole thing while the white couple tried to deescalate the situation and even apologized. They do not deserve to go jail was in the right. The guy was even fired from his job. So wrong in my opinion this world is becoming soft as hell and it’s sickening

[Fozzy13]

She didn’t pull out her gun because someone slapped her car, she pulled out her gun because when she got out THEY RUSHED AT HER

If they had drove off while thinking they hit her, they would’ve still gotten in trouble. Maybe not as much as now, but again... hindsight. She could’ve stayed in the van, but two very hostile people coming at your vehicle while accusing you of hitting one of them, threatening to beat your ass.... yeah I can see why some people would take the route she took.

She pulled the gun out when the woman started to trying to damage her vehicle.

IDK...the full vid footage is hard to determine what really happens. Seems like the mom is in the parking lot kinda behind the Van, van backs up all the way to the mom...the mom hits the van..camera person runs to the van, karen jumps out of van...meanwhile, the van had a lot of room to drive forward.

The mom says shes going to beat her ass,when she hits the van that was backing into her...not when tkaren is out of the vehicle.


What is know is that all people involved are retarded with Karen being the queen retard and the husband being a retard for marrying somsone so fkn stupid.

Saw the whole video and the two girls in the video are ghetto trash started the whole thing while the white couple tried to deescalate the situation and even apologized. They do not deserve to go jail was in the right. The guy was even fired from his job. So wrong in my opinion this world is becoming soft as hell and it’s sickening

They have may been trashy and karen may have tried to deescalate but non of that matters, what matters is what happened and waht led up to the gun getting pulled.

Van backed into mom. Mom hits van (Van has room to move forward and leave).

Instead of leaving, they voluntarily enter an escalated situation..since now the mom was nearly hit and angry.
She pulled out gun and fukt up her and her husbands lives bc an old lady slapped her vehicle...fkn lol. You have a weak case for self defense if you say you feared for your life when you voluntarily exited your vehicle and confronted a hostile situation instead of staying in your vehicle and leaving.