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    Question What is the best supplement for Eye health? Is Lutein good?

    My optometrist a while back recommend I start taking supplements for eye health, he wasn't selling any brand but the ones I looked into the clinical grade ones are expensive

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    Astaxanthin (BioAstin brand).

    It’s a carotenoid that is commonly found in many species of fish (it’s responsible for their pink pigmentation). Studies have shown that it enhances ocular blood flow, and it’s a good supplement to take synergistically with Lutein for purposes of eye health.
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    Originally Posted by DanishDynamite2 View Post
    Astaxanthin (BioAstin brand).

    It’s a carotenoid that is commonly found in many species of fish (it’s responsible for their pink pigmentation). Studies have shown that it enhances ocular blood flow, and it’s a good supplement to take synergistically with Lutein for purposes of eye health.
    Is it safe I heard you should only take eye supplements 3 times a week
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    not sure on supplement but sunglasses and using eye drops so your eyes don't dry out if you're outdoors. i spoil myself n put cucumber slices on my eyes when i sunbathing and use banana baby tanning oil
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    Originally Posted by ChaliHo View Post
    My optometrist a while back recommend I start taking supplements for eye health, he wasn't selling any brand but the ones I looked into the clinical grade ones are expensive

    Anyone know any good brands that help not some bunk stuff.
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    Originally Posted by Rexcalibr View Post
    not sure on supplement but sunglasses and using eye drops so your eyes don't dry out if you're outdoors. i spoil myself n put cucumber slices on my eyes when i sunbathing and use banana baby tanning oil

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    Originally Posted by Rexcalibr View Post
    not sure on supplement but sunglasses and using eye drops so your eyes don't dry out if you're outdoors. i spoil myself n put cucumber slices on my eyes when i sunbathing and use banana baby tanning oil
    I already got those Gunnar glasses for the computer when I use my computer and laptop they help big time against strain, I never thought they would work but they do.
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    Vit A
    I heard you shouldnt take too much of Vit A though
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    Originally Posted by DanishDynamite2 View Post
    Astaxanthin (BioAstin brand).

    It’s a carotenoid that is commonly found in many species of fish (it’s responsible for their pink pigmentation). Studies have shown that it enhances ocular blood flow, and it’s a good supplement to take synergistically with Lutein for purposes of eye health.
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    Originally Posted by ChaliHo View Post
    I heard you shouldnt take too much of Vit A though
    The Retinoid form, no you shouldn’t. The Carotenoid form is OK though, as the body only uses what it needs.
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    Originally Posted by DanishDynamite2 View Post
    Astaxanthin (BioAstin brand).

    It’s a carotenoid that is commonly found in many species of fish (it’s responsible for their pink pigmentation). Studies have shown that it enhances ocular blood flow, and it’s a good supplement to take synergistically with Lutein for purposes of eye health.
    What dosage is good to take?
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    Originally Posted by ChaliHo View Post
    Is it safe I heard you should only take eye supplements 3 times a week
    Astaxanthin is safe to take daily. Unlike other powerful direct antioxidants (like liposomal vitamin c, e, etc), it functions as an indirect antioxidant, meaning it doesn’t phuck with muscular hyperthropy, adaptation, etc.

    In addition, anthocyanins, carotenoids, flavonoids, and vitamins/minerals exhibit synergistically beneficial effects on your eyes. Food-derived almost always tends to be better than supplementation, so make sure to eat your berries, kale, citrus fruits, etc. This study is a good summary of that phenomenon. ncbi.nlm.nih. gov/pmc/articles/PMC6523787/ (delete spaces)
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    What dosage is good to take?
    12 mg seems to exhibit beneficial effects in most studies (and I think most BioAstin astaxanthin formulas come in 12 mg). Some people take it in smaller amounts via krill oil (which may have better absorption, due to its liposomal form), but I personally stick with 12 mg for now.

    It’s been shown to have many other beneficial effects as well (including enhanced UV protection for your skin). Consumption of astaxanthin, along with other carotenoids like lycopene, carotene, lutein, etc can actually slightly alter your skin’s pigmentation to a healthy tan/glow (commonly referred to as a “carotenoid glow”).
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    Originally Posted by DanishDynamite2 View Post
    12 mg seems to exhibit beneficial effects in most studies (and I think most BioAstin astaxanthin formulas come in 12 mg). Some people take it in smaller amounts via krill oil (which may have better absorption, due to its liposomal form), but I personally stick with 12 mg for now.

    It’s been shown to have many other beneficial effects as well (including enhanced UV protection for your skin). Consumption of astaxanthin, along with other carotenoids like lycopene, carotene, lutein, etc can actually slightly alter your skin’s pigmentation to a healthy tan/glow (commonly referred to as a “carotenoid glow”).
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    Originally Posted by DanishDynamite2 View Post
    12 mg seems to exhibit beneficial effects in most studies (and I think most BioAstin astaxanthin formulas come in 12 mg). Some people take it in smaller amounts via krill oil (which may have better absorption, due to its liposomal form), but I personally stick with 12 mg for now.

    It’s been shown to have many other beneficial effects as well (including enhanced UV protection for your skin). Consumption of astaxanthin, along with other carotenoids like lycopene, carotene, lutein, etc can actually slightly alter your skin’s pigmentation to a healthy tan/glow (commonly referred to as a “carotenoid glow”).
    Is this your product?
    https://www.amazon.com/BioAstin-Hawa.../dp/B006X1DCVO
    You seem to have a lot of knowledge on this how did you stumble across my post

    One of the reviews the person said it tore up their stomach. Id try it but I hate that I dont want to take something that ruins my stomach and gives cramps
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    Astaxanthin is safe to take daily. Unlike other powerful direct antioxidants (like liposomal vitamin c, e, etc), it functions as an indirect antioxidant, meaning it doesn’t phuck with muscular hyperthropy, adaptation, etc.

    In addition, anthocyanins, carotenoids, flavonoids, and vitamins/minerals exhibit synergistically beneficial effects on your eyes. Food-derived almost always tends to be better than supplementation, so make sure to eat your berries, kale, citrus fruits, etc. This study is a good summary of that phenomenon. ncbi.nlm.nih. gov/pmc/articles/PMC6523787/ (delete spaces)
    This was a review on BioAstin page on Amazon, it seems to help the eyes like you said but the guy claims it gave him gyno

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    So I purchased these pills with the intent to improve the quality of my skin and to include a high potency antioxidant supplement into my diet. All of the other purported benefits were just gravy. So I took my first pill/gel and a couple hours later I noticed that my eyes felt different. They felt slightly watery, but in a comfortable way, like my eye had been lubricated with eye drops or something. I also noticed that any sensation of eye strain was completely absent after taking a pill/gel. While it didn't improve my vision like others have claimed, it basically made my eyes impervious to strain and I could use my phone, reading small text for hours on end with absolutely zero eye discomfort. They would be worth taking based on this effect alone, but by my second pill I also noticed that after sprinting up 4 flights of stairs I felt zero fatigue and my breathing was slow and steady as if I hadn't moved at all.
    Its was after the second pill that I began to notice a truly unfortunate side effect. I began to experience a sensitivity/discomfort in my nipples that I had never felt before. I thought it was odd, but I didn't want to immediately attribute it to the astaxanthin. So I waited a few days and tried taking another pill/gel and again I noticed the improvement in my eyes and cardio, but also the same nipple discomfort that became really unbearable.
    Fortunately I did my research and came to find out that astaxanthin can cause gynecomastia in men. Needless to say, I immediately stopped using the pills and plan on throwing them out. Not sure if I feel comfortable giving them to a female friend as I don't know what sort of side effects it might cause for them.
    So while the astaxanthin didn't provide me with the skin benefits I was looking for, it did have some upsides and an extremely awful downside. I have to give the product 1 star for not addressing the risk factor associated with consuming the product. I managed to catch on early, but I feel bad for those men that do not.

    tl;dr Good for eyes and cardio, but causes gyno in men.
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    Originally Posted by ChaliHo View Post
    This was a review on BioAstin page on Amazon, it seems to help the eyes like you said but the guy claims it gave him gyno

    DO NOT TAKE IF MALE (Side Effects)
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    So I purchased these pills with the intent to improve the quality of my skin and to include a high potency antioxidant supplement into my diet. All of the other purported benefits were just gravy. So I took my first pill/gel and a couple hours later I noticed that my eyes felt different. They felt slightly watery, but in a comfortable way, like my eye had been lubricated with eye drops or something. I also noticed that any sensation of eye strain was completely absent after taking a pill/gel. While it didn't improve my vision like others have claimed, it basically made my eyes impervious to strain and I could use my phone, reading small text for hours on end with absolutely zero eye discomfort. They would be worth taking based on this effect alone, but by my second pill I also noticed that after sprinting up 4 flights of stairs I felt zero fatigue and my breathing was slow and steady as if I hadn't moved at all.
    Its was after the second pill that I began to notice a truly unfortunate side effect. I began to experience a sensitivity/discomfort in my nipples that I had never felt before. I thought it was odd, but I didn't want to immediately attribute it to the astaxanthin. So I waited a few days and tried taking another pill/gel and again I noticed the improvement in my eyes and cardio, but also the same nipple discomfort that became really unbearable.
    Fortunately I did my research and came to find out that astaxanthin can cause gynecomastia in men. Needless to say, I immediately stopped using the pills and plan on throwing them out. Not sure if I feel comfortable giving them to a female friend as I don't know what sort of side effects it might cause for them.
    So while the astaxanthin didn't provide me with the skin benefits I was looking for, it did have some upsides and an extremely awful downside. I have to give the product 1 star for not addressing the risk factor associated with consuming the product. I managed to catch on early, but I feel bad for those men that do not.

    tl;dr Good for eyes and cardio, but causes gyno in men.
    I think I saw that review last time I re-upped on Amazon.

    I’d be very surprised if that actually happened from astaxanthin alone, especially in the normal dosage ranges. I’m aware astaxanthin exhibits some 5-alpha-reductase inhibition, but nowhere near these steroidal DHT blocking pharmaceuticals (like Propecia) that people pop like candy without getting Gyno. It also has shown to lower estradiol rates (and high estradiol rates are usually significantly correlated with Gyno).

    I’m not saying it’s impossible, but I order a lot of supplements (and read many supplement reviews), and you’ll almost always be able to find a highly upvoted review (of any supplement) that blames it for causing a range of problems in their life, from it causing “low energy” and “brain fog” to it causing their car not to start or cloudy weather on their birthday.

    These accounts could be genuinely pharmacologically anomalous or paradoxical reactions to a compound, or they could be pure fear-mongering BS (which is why it’s good to look at peer-reviewed experiments/trials to see if the “side-effect” has statistical validity). Regardless, the placebo/nocebo effect is a hell of a drug.

    I’ll browse/look through the scientific journals and internet tomorrow to see if it has any validity whatsoever. From what I’ve researched, I don’t believe it holds much water.
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    I think I saw that review last time I re-upped on Amazon.

    I’d be very surprised if that actually happened from astaxanthin alone, especially in the normal dosage ranges. I’m aware astaxanthin exhibits some 5-alpha-reductase inhibition, but nowhere near these steroidal DHT blocking pharmaceuticals (like Propecia) that people pop like candy without getting Gyno. It also has shown to lower estradiol rates (and high estradiol rates are usually significantly correlated with Gyno).

    I’m not saying it’s impossible, but I order a lot of supplements (and read many supplement reviews), and you’ll almost always be able to find a highly upvoted review (of any supplement) that blames it for causing a range of problems in their life, from it causing “low energy” and “brain fog” to it causing their car not to start or cloudy weather on their birthday.

    These accounts could be genuinely pharmacologically anomalous or paradoxical reactions to a compound, or they could be pure fear-mongering BS (which is why it’s good to look at peer-reviewed experiments/trials to see if the “side-effect” has statistical validity). Regardless, the placebo/nocebo effect is a hell of a drug.

    I’ll browse/look through the scientific journals and internet tomorrow to see if it has any validity whatsoever. From what I’ve researched, I don’t believe it holds much water.
    You really got me interesting in this stuff I saw this and it sounds too good to be true they say it has low side effects compared to other antioxidants, and helps heal your body and protect your skin, some people claim after a few weeks they seen dark spots from sun damage go away on their skin.

    Do you have to take 12mg? and does it have to be Bioastin, I like Jarrow they got a 12mg version is that good to take?

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    You really got me interesting in this stuff I saw this and it sounds too good to be true they say it has low side effects compared to other antioxidants, and helps heal your body and protect your skin, some people claim after a few weeks they seen dark spots from sun damage go away on their skin.

    Do you have to take 12mg? and does it have to be Bioastin, I like Jarrow they got a 12mg version is that good to take?
    It’s an amazing compound.

    Personally, I trust Nutrex (the company that makes BioAstin), because they grow the astaxanthin themselves. I take their Spirulina as well (which is another fascinating compound you should look into), and they were the only company I saw that allowed/released 3rd party tests of their algae products for cyanotoxins and other potentially dangerous contaminants.

    Jarrow is a pretty large and reputable supplier, so I’m sure their astaxanthin is fine as well.
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    Originally Posted by DanishDynamite2 View Post
    It’s an amazing compound.

    Personally, I trust Nutrex (the company that makes BioAstin), because they grow the astaxanthin themselves. I take their Spirulina as well (which is another fascinating compound you should look into), and they were the only company I saw that allowed/released 3rd party tests of their algae products for cyanotoxins and other potentially dangerous contaminants.

    Jarrow is a pretty large and reputable supplier, so I’m sure their astaxanthin is fine as well.
    The only thing is do I have to take the 12mg or could I start with the Jarrow 4mg and adjust and take two of those? Because I dont know how my body will react especially reading how someone said they got a bad stomach ache.

    I never heard of Nutrex Hawaii is that a side company of Nutrex?
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    The only thing is do I have to take the 12mg or could I start with the Jarrow 4mg and adjust and take two of those? Because I dont know how my body will react especially reading how someone said they got a bad stomach ache.

    I never heard of Nutrex Hawaii is that a side company of Nutrex?
    I wouldn’t really worry about the stomach problems, but if you are concerned about them, then starting at a lower dose is probably better. If you are predisposed to nausea, I would recommend purchasing a ginger supplement (which has good clinical efficacy against nausea/motion sickness/stomach problems). I am susceptible to nausea as well, and regular ginger supplementation has done an excellent job alleviating it srs.

    I believe Nutrex Hawaii is a subsidiary of Cyanotech. The founder/CEO is a PhD specialist in Microalgae (which is rare for nutraceuticals, I’ve worked in pharmaceutical manufacturing for 4 years since I graduated, and most CEO’s/COO’s don’t know jack **** about the scientific nuances of their products).
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    Not wearing contacts or straining with screentime or missing sleep help. Otherwise, you develop visible vessels to increase blood flow, which make them look less white and never go away.
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