Noose or knot

[acrawlingchaos]

Wouldn’t the FBI know what rope was there? And if this rope was not the one they found in their investigation why would they allow NASCAR to say it was?

What the hell does it matter? There wasn't a crime. Real or hate. That was just the machinations of Team Bubba and Nascar.

[Mark1T]

Wouldn’t the FBI know what rope was there? And if this rope was not the one they found in their investigation why would they allow NASCAR to say it was?

NASCAR was there well before the FBI was there. Sure, the FBI would have known what rope was there and so they concluded there was no crime and said rope had been there well prior to Bubba being there and knowing full well that there was zero chance of that rope being there for Bubba, it's another case of 'OMG, nothing happened."

[deadwoodgregg]

I believe that is the actual rope.

Glad that I am not that gullible.

Nascar is just like a politician. They will do, say, or post anything as long as it makes Nascar look good.

We know that the "noose" is a garage door pull rope that has been there since last October. Nobody uses that kind of knot on a pull rope. The loop would close after one pull.

I might have believed the story if had been found at random somewhere in the garage. A noose as a garage door pull....not buying it.

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NASCAR was there well before the FBI was there. Sure, the FBI would have known what rope was there and so they concluded there was no crime and said rope had been there well prior to Bubba being there and knowing full well that there was zero chance of that rope being there for Bubba, it's another case of 'OMG, nothing happened."

As I said in my post I believe the investigation came to the correct conclusion that there was no hate crime. The disagreement we have is whether or not that picture is photoshopped.

[mtpockets]

Nascar wanted some publicity, they got it

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Glad that I am not that gullible.

Nascar is just like a politician. They will do, say, or post anything as long as it makes Nascar look good.

We know that the "noose" is a garage door pull rope that has been there since last October. Nobody uses that kind of knot on a pull rope. The loop would close after one pull.

I might have believed the story if had been found at random somewhere in the garage. A noose as a garage door pull....not buying it.

Sorry, I missed this. As I told Mark I do believe the investigation was very clear on that rope (and FWIW the US Attorneys Office did refer to it as noose in their statement) not being a hate crime. However I do believe that picture to be authentic. Unless I am missing something the only way that picture could be photoshopped is if NASCAR provided a photoshopped picture to the FBI as evidence of what was in that garage on that day or the FBI knows that NASCAR is misrepresenting what was in that garage and doesn’t care.

[Mark1T]

Sorry, I missed this. As I told Mark I do believe the investigation was very clear on that rope (and FWIW the US Attorneys Office did refer to it as noose in their statement) not being a hate crime. However I do believe that picture to be authentic. Unless I am missing something the only way that picture could be photoshopped is if NASCAR provided a photoshopped picture to the FBI as evidence of what was in that garage on that day or the FBI knows that NASCAR is misrepresenting what was in that garage and doesn’t care.

For clarity, IMO it was either photo-shopped or it is not the rope/noose/knot in question. Just a prop.

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Sorry, I missed this. As I told Mark I do believe the investigation was very clear on that rope (and FWIW the US Attorneys Office did refer to it as noose in their statement) not being a hate crime. However I do believe that picture to be authentic. Unless I am missing something the only way that picture could be photoshopped is if NASCAR provided a photoshopped picture to the FBI as evidence of what was in that garage on that day or the FBI knows that NASCAR is misrepresenting what was in that garage and doesn’t care.

Do you belive Nascar when they say they inspected 1000's of other garages and did not see any other loops tied in garage door ropes? Yet, you can see many examples of them all over the internet in nascar garages.

Also there are pics of said ropes and even one from that stall the and the knot looks different in the pics. There is still a loop, but the winding's on the nascar picture look much more 'noose' like vs. the pictures posted online which were taken in the past of same rope.

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For clarity, IMO it was either photo-shopped or it is not the rope/noose/knot in question. Just a prop.

If that is the case then either NASCAR lied to the FBI or the FBI is ok with NASCAR lying to the public.

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One more funny thing. Lets play devil's advocate and say it really was a noose..... What is that saying about NASCAR in general. That this display can be out in public, photographed many times over, seen on TV in public view for over a year. And....no one ever says "we better take that down". No one ever stops to question it. Oh....just your average noose hanging from a garage door.

[Bosko]

[Mark1T]

If that is the case then either NASCAR lied to the FBI or the FBI is ok with NASCAR lying to the public.

If we are going by your scenario, NASCAR lied to the FBI.

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If we are going by your scenario, NASCAR lied to the FBI.

What is the scenario where neither of those happen?

[Mark1T]

What is the scenario where neither of those happen?

Either way is conjecture. My previous post suggested that NASCAR has a higher probability of lying to make a virtue signaling event, as opposed to the FBI. No reason for the FBI to lie.

The FBI did not lie in this case.

[7Seconds]

Either way is conjecture. My previous post suggested that NASCAR has a higher probability of lying to make a virtue signaling event, as opposed to the FBI. No reason for the FBI to lie.

The FBI did not lie in this case.

I never said the FBI lied, I said they were either lied to by NASCAR or are ok with NASCAR lying to us. It’s really not conjecture, if that picture is not an accurate representation of what was in that garage then either NASCAR mislead the FBI or the FBI is ok with them misleading us. I know I am just repeating myself now but I don’t see how it could be anything else.

[Mark1T]

I never said the FBI lied, I said they were either lied to by NASCAR or are ok with NASCAR lying to us. It’s really not conjecture, if that picture is not an accurate representation of what was in that garage then either NASCAR mislead the FBI or the FBI is ok with them misleading us. I know I am just repeating myself now but I don’t see how it could be anything else.

I think we're good.

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Do you belive Nascar when they say they inspected 1000's of other garages and did not see any other loops tied in garage door ropes? Yet, you can see many examples of them all over the internet in nascar garages.

Also there are pics of said ropes and even one from that stall the and the knot looks different in the pics. There is still a loop, but the winding's on the nascar picture look much more 'noose' like vs. the pictures posted online which were taken in the past of same rope.

At this point i do.

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At this point i do.

So you think the pictorial evidence from the past showing the existence of rope pulls with loops and showing that same stalls rope pull (looking differently) you believe that is fake?

I am not understanding this one. Clearly there is a lot out there on this, and much of it (many of the pics and video shot long before this incident) much of it in direct contrast to the "official" word from Nascar. Yet you are taking Nascar's statements as the truth?

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So you think the pictorial evidence from the past showing the existence of rope pulls with loops and showing that same stalls rope pull (looking differently) you believe that is fake?

I am not understanding this one. Clearly there is a lot out there on this, and much of it (many of the pics and video shot long before this incident) much of it in direct contrast to the "official" word from Nascar. Yet you are taking Nascar's statements as the truth?

I think NASCAR is a big organization and if they are not being honest about this they eventually will be exposed. But I don’t really see how it is relevant to the point I was making to Mark. Do you think the picture in this thread is what the FBI saw in their investigation?

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I think NASCAR is a big organization and if they are not being honest about this they eventually will be exposed. But I don’t really see how it is relevant to the point I was making to Mark. Do you think the picture in this thread is what the FBI saw in their investigation?

I dont know what the FBI saw. What I do know is there are pics of said loop on the web of same stall and and garage door rope that had a loop on it, and it does not look like same rope. Loop about the same size, but the winding of the ropes looks different.

The entire thing smells bad to me on just about every level unbelievable. Like to begin with a 'noose' would pull out the first time you yanked on the door rope without something in it. How this part is being ignored, I dont know.

Then you go to the next part.... where there was a rope that some people thought looked like a noose. Lots of pics of other garages with similar loops (which Nascar claims dont or didn't exist).

Last is actual pictures of this 'noose' exist going back in time...yet somehow they dont look like the pic nascar put out.

When any of the details are not presented accurately along with the context of a dwindling sport making a massive PR move. Just too many things dont add up.

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I dont know what the FBI saw. What I do know is there are pics of said loop on the web of same stall and and garage door rope that had a loop on it, and it does not look like same rope. Loop about the same size, but the winding of the ropes looks different.

The entire thing smells bad to me on just about every level unbelievable. Like to begin with a 'noose' would pull out the first time you yanked on the door rope without something in it. How this part is being ignored, I dont know.

Then you go to the next part.... where there was a rope that some people thought looked like a noose. Lots of pics of other garages with similar loops (which Nascar claims dont or didn't exist).

Last is actual pictures of this 'noose' exist going back in time...yet somehow they dont look like the pic nascar put out.

When any of the details are not presented accurately along with the context of a dwindling sport making a massive PR move. Just too many things dont add up.

This whole discussion started with Corbi’s post about whether or not the picture was authentic. I said I don’t believe there was any crime but I do think the picture was legit. I really don’t need more evidence of why you guys think NASCAR is being dishonest about what happened. I just want to know how they can present that picture as being a true representation of what was at the garage that day without lying to the FBI or the FBI being ok with NASCAR lying to us. Or is there another scenario that I am not thinking of?

[LWW]

7seconds, you know what they did to women during the witch trials? They tied blocks to them and threw ‘em in the lake, if they didn’t drown they was a witch.

Sounds like the women are much tougher.

For bust, I had more than enough black friends in middle school, during that time we all kinda gave each other a tough time about our race etc. A lot of my whites friends didn’t like my black friends and vice versa, no one was innocent snow flakes pal, when we got in senior high, we all forgot about that BS. Those kids was BLACK too, I just saw Bubba for first time, please, he hangs with the white boyz!!!

[ElrondHubbard]

That is a 100% staged photo, compare it with photos and videos taken of that garage, completely different style and color of rope as well.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...0EyaxduRJ1gBAY

Typical.

Deny, deny, deny.

When your claims bite you in the a$$, deny some more.

[Corbi]

Typical.

Deny, deny, deny.

When your claims bite you in the a$$, deny some more.

How does it bite me in the ass? There are plenty of videos and photos of that particular stall as well as countless other stalls that show ropes with loops on them, yet Nascar is claiming out of 1600+ stalls only 11 had any ropes at all? So the photos and videos taken by fans who have no vested interest in this are supposed to be disregarded? They also claim the rope was cut down which we can see a shortened rope in a couple pics and it's a totally different type of rope vs the one in the picture Nascar took 4-5 days to produce. But by all means you and 7 can continue to see racism everywhere...........carry on.

[ElrondHubbard]

For clarity, IMO it was either photo-shopped or it is not the rope/noose/knot in question. Just a prop.

For clarity, it IS the rope in question, it was not photoshopped, and there are other photos of the same noose that were taken prior to Bubba Wallace being assigned that stall.

What I don't get about some of the people here is that when the facts contradict your existing prejudices, you don't take another look at those prejudices, you simply deny the facts.

You'd deny the sky is blue if you had a political axe to grind about it.

Here's a You Tube from November 27, 2019.



The noose is visible for 5 seconds starting at 50 seconds into the video, in stall 4, exactly the stall that would later be assigned to Bubba Wallace.

We all agree that it was not a hate crime, that it was not directed at Wallace, and that the whole thing was a case of mistaken identity.

But those who say it's faked for the sake of some political agenda, are way over the line into absurdity.

Perhaps you should contact the author of this video and tell him he's a liar...

[ElrondHubbard]

How does it bite me in the ass? There are plenty of videos and photos of that particular stall as well as countless other stalls that show ropes with loops on them, yet Nascar is claiming out of 1600+ stalls only 11 had any ropes at all? So the photos and videos taken by fans who have no vested interest in this are supposed to be disregarded? They also claim the rope was cut down which we can see a shortened rope in a couple pics and it's a totally different type of rope vs the one in the picture Nascar took 4-5 days to produce. But by all means you and 7 can continue to see racism everywhere...........carry on.

In the video I just posted, there are a lot of ropes, but only one noose. Most of the ropes are so long their ends are behind the cars, so if there are loops, they are invisible.

Whether the rope has been cut down since, replaced, or whatever, is irrelevant. The fact is that the noose was a noose, it was in the stall that Wallace was assigned, no other ropes nearby were tied into nooses. The guy that first noticed it and reported it was not Wallace, but one of his garage crew. NASCAR overreacted, that much is obvious. They should have investigated before turning it into a media frenzy.

That's on NASCAR, not Wallace. He had nothing to do with any of it, other than being told by NASCAR that a racist symbol had been directed at him.

The racism here, is not in the rope, it's in the reaction of those of you who will not give him the benefit of the doubt, who insist on making him out to be a villain, and then when the evidence is right in front of your face, you claim it's fake -- on no factual basis at all other than your own bigotry.

You WANT it to be fake, therefore to you it's fake.

That's a pretty tenuous hold on reality you've got there, bud.

[Corbi]

That's on NASCAR, not Wallace. He had nothing to do with any of it, other than being told by NASCAR that a racist symbol had been directed at him.

The racism here, is not in the rope, it's in the reaction of those of you who will not give him the benefit of the doubt, who insist on making him out to be a villain, and then when the evidence is right in front of your face, you claim it's fake -- on no factual basis at all other than your own bigotry.

You WANT it to be fake, therefore to you it's fake.

That's a pretty tenuous hold on reality you've got there, bud.

Who the fuk in this thread is blaming Wallace for anything? And once again you throw out the racist card, tell you what how about you just block me and don't comment anymore because I will not tolerate an @sshole calling me a racist. Have a nice day you fukking prick.

[ElrondHubbard]

Who the fuk in this thread is blaming Wallace for anything? And once again you throw out the racist card, tell you what how about you just block me and don't comment anymore because I will not tolerate an @sshole calling me a racist. Have a nice day you fukking prick.

Who is blaming Wallace? Every jackass comparing him to Jussie Smollett, that's who. I hope your day is pleasant as well.

[acrawlingchaos]

Who is blaming Wallace? Every jackass comparing him to Jussie Smollett, that's who. I hope your day is pleasant as well.

Jussie smollet and Bubba Wallace both insist on being a victim when no crime was to be seen. People who don't understand the comparison are retards.



I hope your day is pleasant as well.... retard.

[Mark1T]

For clarity, it IS the rope in question, it was not photoshopped, and there are other photos of the same noose that were taken prior to Bubba Wallace being assigned that stall.

What I don't get about some of the people here is that when the facts contradict your existing prejudices, you don't take another look at those prejudices, you simply deny the facts.

You'd deny the sky is blue if you had a political axe to grind about it.

Here's a You Tube from November 27, 2019.



The noose is visible for 5 seconds starting at 50 seconds into the video, in stall 4, exactly the stall that would later be assigned to Bubba Wallace.

We all agree that it was not a hate crime, that it was not directed at Wallace, and that the whole thing was a case of mistaken identity.

But those who say it's faked for the sake of some political agenda, are way over the line into absurdity.

Perhaps you should contact the author of this video and tell him he's a liar...

You would lose every friend you had if you had a political axe to grind about it. You know, Elrond, I tried to be your friend over the years. We are not. The FBI left with nothing. Even if that is the rope, it was not there for Bubba.

Show me in the last 4 years where I have attacked you for anything.