Meat eating really that bad ?

[AdamWW]

its not for ripping hard veggies it’s for fighting

Or maybe it’s both? We don’t have a way to prove either. Also earlier you said canines in humans is one of the reasons you feel we’re meant to eat meat, but now it's for fighting?

[SuffolkPunch]

I don't think the evolution question is relevant.

The question at hand is: is including meat in your diet detrimental to performance and/or health? And the answer is that there is no objective evidence of that. I'm guessing the 'seminar' was (at best) a bunch of pet theories and spurious links that would not stand up to a proper peer review and would not be explained by experimental evidence with statistical significance.

[snailsrus]

Or maybe it’s both? We don’t have a way to prove either. Also earlier you said canines in humans is one of the reasons you feel we’re meant to eat meat, but now it's for fighting?

I asked my dad, he’s a well published paleontologist with exhibits in the Los Angeles natural history museum and discovered over 50 new mammal species from the Cenozoic era with over 1000 published pages working with Berkeley atm his name is in your pms you can google it

[boo99]

I asked my dad, he’s a well published paleontologist with exhibits in the Los Angeles natural history museum and discovered over 50 new mammal species from the Cenozoic era with over 1000 published pages working with Berkeley atm his name is in your pms you can google it

Can he get me in as a guest VIP friend of Snails?

[AdamWW]

I asked my dad, he’s a well published paleontologist with exhibits in the Los Angeles natural history museum and discovered over 50 new mammal species from the Cenozoic era with over 1000 published pages working with Berkeley atm his name is in your pms you can google it

So I won't argue either way at this point, I'm just still kind of confused because originally (post #11) you mentioned our canine teeth were an indicator of evolving to be 'meant to' eat meat, which I didn't think was correct.... but now the idea is that we have canines because historically we needed to fight off other humans/similar species... which I would agree with. But again, it's not the original argument you made that's all I'm sayin...

It appears that in fact our canines have nothing to do with meat eating then...

[Strawng]

can he get me in as a guest vip friend of snails?

lol +1!

[boo99]

lol +1!

Ok snails

We in for two VIP passes (when it opens again)

I live 4 miles from it

[paulinkansas]

I was on a hunting trip with some friends and we met another group of guys on the same trip. The other guys had gone on an African big game hunt. To keep the story short, one of the guys shot a baboon. When he went around the bend to get it on the road in the jungle, it stood up and made the loudest piercing scream he had ever heard. He was about 3 feet away from it. It bared it's fangs and they were about 4" long, judging by how far apart his fingers were when he was telling the story. It was hit with a .270. It made the loud scream and ran into the jungle.

Their guide said to let the baboon go. If they went into the jungle to try and find it, it would find them first. It'll rip a guys arm off and beat everyone else to death with it.

[snailsrus]

So I won't argue either way at this point, I'm just still kind of confused because originally (post #11) you mentioned our canine teeth were an indicator of evolving to be 'meant to' eat meat, which I didn't think was correct.... but now the idea is that we have canines because historically we needed to fight off other humans/similar species... which I would agree with. But again, it's not the original argument you made that's all I'm sayin...

It appears that in fact our canines have nothing to do with meat eating then...

I said I was wrong and asked my dad who corrected me

Ok snails

We in for two VIP passes (when it opens again)

I live 4 miles from it

If it’s open next time I’m in la I can get year passes

[boo99]

If it’s open next time I’m in la I can get year passes

Oh right on!!

I’ll have to buy you a snail based gift to thank you or a Montys Veggie Burger, one of the best in LA

[Drewie79]

No, It was not titled vegan or had any vegan sponsors it was simply titled "Human Nutrition" with the sub title of "How to maximise human performance", The doctors themselves were not vegan but they did make sure to state that their meat consumption was extremely limited to maybe once to twice per week.

My doctor (professor) confirms this and he is regular marathon runner and specialized in sports cardiology. One week red meat and one white and if I remember correctly thats because you still need some minerals and vitamins from meat that you cant find in plants. Dont get me wrong I love meat but its just isn't as healthy as the plant based alternatives.

[AdamWW]

My doctor (professor) confirms this and he is regular marathon runner and specialized in sports cardiology. One week red meat and one white and if I remember correctly thats because you still need some minerals and vitamins from meat that you cant find in plants. Dont get me wrong I love meat but its just isn't as healthy as the plant based alternatives.

Name them.

[Drewie79]

Name them.

It was a conversation I had with him some time ago cant remember right now but ill ask him and get back to you.

[AdamWW]

It was a conversation I had with him some time ago cant remember right now but ill ask him and get back to you.

I'll save you the effort... there is none.

B12 is the only one found almost only in animal products, but there is actually a plant-source of natural b12 from duckweed.

So, in short, there is no mineral or vitamin you cannot get from plants... even mushrooms can contain vitamin D.

[Drewie79]

I'll save you the effort... there is none.

B12 is the only one found almost only in animal products, but there is actually a plant-source of natural b12 from duckweed.

So, in short, there is no mineral or vitamin you cannot get from plants... even mushrooms can contain vitamin D.

Ok so.. I guess if you cant find duckweed its better to eat meat than nothing right?

[AdamWW]

Ok so.. I guess if you cant find duckweed its better to eat meat than nothing right?

Or buy an extremely cheap b12 supplement.... which will likely provide even better absorption in certain forms and has a more accurate amount by volume.

[Drewie79]

Or buy an extremely cheap b12 supplement.... which will likely provide even better absorption in certain forms and has a more accurate amount by volume.

I guess the question then is how healthy are supplements compared to real food?

[AdamWW]

I guess the question then is how healthy are supplements compared to real food?

What does that even mean? B12 is a vitamin that you need to survive eventually... so... why would it not be 'healthy'?

It's not like the b12 spray or pill has poison in it. If it gives your body the vitamin that increases your body's levels of it... obviously it's adding to your health.

[Drewie79]

What does that even mean? B12 is a vitamin that you need to survive eventually... so... why would it not be 'healthy'?

It's not like the b12 spray or pill has poison in it. If it gives your body the vitamin that increases your body's levels of it... obviously it's adding to your health.

Yeah I guess for one vitamin maybe you can do that but you still will be missing other ingredients that you can take from food. Anyways...

[AdamWW]

Yeah I guess for one vitamin maybe you can do that but you still will be missing other ingredients that you can take from food. Anyways...

Like I said, anything except b12 is easily found in plant foods... so, what exactly would be 'missing' otherwise?

For example.... if you ate the following for a ~2400 calorie diet, you'd meet ALL your vitamin/mineral needs except b12:

10oz potatoes
300g (raw) lentils
2oz almonds
200g kale
150g spinach
100g oatmeal
1 cup blueberries
5oz extra firm tofu

That's 135g protein, 355g carbs, 52g fat.


And then all you'd need in some sun for vitamin D... done.

Now, would I want to just eat that? No, but i'm just saying it's very simple to do.

[snailsrus]

Yeah I guess for one vitamin maybe you can do that but you still will be missing other ingredients that you can take from food. Anyways...

you really won’t. I was vegan for 4 years as a teenager and my labs were always good

You’ve yet to name what you would be missing

[Hnbn1]

I said I was wrong

No you didn't and you called him huffy so that was not nice

[Drewie79]

Like I said, anything except b12 is easily found in plant foods... so, what exactly would be 'missing' otherwise?

For example.... if you ate the following for a ~2400 calorie diet, you'd meet ALL your vitamin/mineral needs except b12:

10oz potatoes
300g (raw) lentils
2oz almonds
200g kale
150g spinach
100g oatmeal
1 cup blueberries
5oz extra firm tofu

That's 135g protein, 355g carbs, 52g fat.


And then all you'd need in some sun for vitamin D... done.

Now, would I want to just eat that? No, but i'm just saying it's very simple to do.

Damn thats why I am struggling with the idea of going vegetarian with maybe 1 time a week meat because this is so much food and preparation just to replace meat. Sorry dont mean to hijack this thread ill make a new one with my questions about vegetarian diet.

And to answer your question Adam... I just prefer eating real food since I live on a place near the Mediterranean sea I just go and buy some sardines or any other fish. So I think one time a week eating chicken breast, a good lean steak or fish is not so bad just to have the b12 vitamin.

[AdamWW]

No you didn't and you called him huffy so that was not nice

Yeah I didn't catch anything saying 'wrong'... but it's kind of water under the bridge at this point

[Drewie79]

you really won’t. I was vegan for 4 years as a teenager and my labs were always good

You’ve yet to name what you would be missing

Yeah I know I am advocating a vegetarian diet kinda or something like the middle way. And we named already what is missing from a vegan diet, unless you want to eat tons of duckweed, who eats that anyways.

[AdamWW]

Damn thats why I am struggling with the idea of going vegetarian with maybe 1 time a week meat because this is so much food and preparation just to replace meat. Sorry dont mean to hijack this thread ill make a new one with my questions about vegetarian diet.

And to answer your question Adam... I just prefer eating real food since I live on a place near the Mediterranean sea I just go and buy some sardines or any other fish. So I think one time a week eating chicken breast, a good lean steak or fish is not so bad just to have the b12 vitamin.

Im not preaching dude, I eat salmon a few times a week and I eat some dairy products... but I was 100% vegan for 3 years and I had zero issues getting vitamins and minerals at all...

Even now, i have made only tiny changes compared to when I was vegan, and it's purely for convenience and lifestyle/time factors.

I'm not sure what you mean by that diet being time consuming.... you can buy lentils, cook them in a pot in advance and it lasts for days... or freeze them. Oats, berries, all that other stuff is extremely easy to make... it's not hard at all. You can literally microwave almost everything I put in there... and that was just a random example of a day I built in 2 minutes...

Again, no one is saying you have to be a vegetarian or not eat any animal products.. i'm just saying it's silly to say you cannot meet your nutrient needs while doing so.

[snailsrus]

Yeah I didn't catch anything saying 'wrong'... but it's kind of water under the bridge at this point

it was implied that when I asked my dad I was corrected and should have said I was wrong. When I changed my stance I figured I was eating my own words because it was a different theory on the purpose of the teeth.

[Drewie79]

Im not preaching dude, I eat salmon a few times a week and I eat some dairy products... but I was 100% vegan for 3 years and I had zero issues getting vitamins and minerals at all...

Again, no one is saying you have to be a vegetarian or not eat any animal products.. i'm just saying it's silly to say you cannot meet your nutrient needs while doing so.

Never claimed that you were preaching or that you cant meet your nutrients with vegan diet... just thought I mention that there is a validity in eating meat once a week since you need that b12 vitamin unless you want to eat duckweed or take supplements so in that case you can go full vegan I guess. All good?

[AdamWW]

Never claimed that you were preaching or that you cant meet your nutrients with vegan diet... just thought I mention that there is a validity in eating meat once a week since you need that b12 vitamin unless you want to eat duckweed or take supplements so in that case you can go full vegan I guess. All good?

Or, you can eat fortified foods which contain it... like nutritional yeast (which it delicious) or certain cereals, non-dairy milk alternatives, etc....

[Mrpb]

My doctor (professor) confirms this and he is regular marathon runner and specialized in sports cardiology. One week red meat and one white and if I remember correctly thats because you still need some minerals and vitamins from meat that you cant find in plants.

Unfortunately doctors do not get any training in nutrition and it shows.