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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Testing, testing, testing. The more you test, the easier it is to keep healthy people in the workforce and sick people at home. Major reason why Trump is failing here. But hey, it's just science and Trump's gut is more accurate, of course.
    Maybe do some research first before embarrassing yourself? The United States has conducted more tests per capita than Italy, Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, Germany, Austria, Canada, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Netherlands, South Korea and France. The only major first world countries ahead of the U.S. are Denmark, Spain, UK and Portugal.
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    Fear-mongering by saying "cases are rising" without any context doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Deaths in the the United States are hitting the lowest totals in months pretty much every week. Coronavirus "cases" are entirely dependent on testing parameters (who's getting tested, how many tests are being conducted, criteria for being tested etc.). Also what is the alternative you are offering? Lock ourselves at home until a vaccine arrives in 2 years or the virus disappears altogether? That would induce a 2nd great depression that would be far more deadly than the virus itself.

    Nobody is forcing anybody to go outside. If you're scared, stay at home. If you're willing to take the risks associated with leaving your home you should be able to do so as well. Imagine pushing for more mandatory shutdowns for a virus with a 0.3% mortality rate and over 50% of deaths coming from nursing home mismanagement.
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    Originally Posted by KE19 View Post
    Maybe do some research first before embarrassing yourself? The United States has conducted more tests per capita than Italy, Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, Germany, Austria, Canada, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Netherlands, South Korea and France. The only major first world countries ahead of the U.S. are Denmark, Spain, UK and Portugal.
    No **** we've tested more than other countries - we're the United States, son. I am not comparing the US testing to other countries, derp. What I stated is a demonstrable fact. If you want to do what's best for the United States, we need to test more than we currently are to keep the sick away from the healthy. That's my focus; you can keep derping about other countries.
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    Originally Posted by KE19 View Post
    Nobody is forcing anybody to go outside. If you're scared, stay at home. If you're willing to take the risks associated with leaving your home you should be able to do so as well. Imagine pushing for more mandatory shutdowns for a virus with a 0.3% mortality rate and over 50% of deaths coming from nursing home mismanagement.
    Derp... who's talking about shutdowns? Testing. Get people tested and isolate the sick. It's not rocket science. 0.3% of 500 million = 1.5 million.
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    You are left between two bad choices: 1. Economic depression, 2. Dead (mostly seniors) folks.


    Number 1 screws everyone, healthy and unhealthy, young and old, poor and wealthy, white and black. Number 2 overwhelmingly screws people who are unfortunately sick and old.

    Do the math.

    I am sorry but people will not live forever anyways. The elderly volunteered to work around the nuclear reactors in Japan after the tsunami because they lived a long life, meanwhile some of our elderly have the opposite attitude. Look man, I know it sounds messed up, but if you 70 and up, chances are that something will get you regardless. But with a complete economic lockdown you are endangering the livelihoods of tens of millions of people, throwing people's lives in the dump, starving families, divorce rates going up, and bankrupting the youth. If I was 70 and up, I'd thank the lord for the time he has given me and be at peace if I happen to die from literally ANYTHING. You won't live forever.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Derp... who's talking about shutdowns? Testing. Get people tested and isolate the sick. It's not rocket science. 0.3% of 500 million = 1.5 million.
    The flu's mortality rate is 0.1%. The population of the United States is 330 million, not 500 million. 0.1% of 330 million = 330k. According to your very scientific calculation the flu should kill 330k Americans every year, when in reality is only kills around 60k (with no shutdowns, social distancing etc.). What an absurd equation. It's much more complicated than the junk stats you're pulling from thin air.

    Also if Trump is "failing" at testing then I don't know what you consider a success. The only thing we currently have as barometer for the rate of testing is in relation to other countries. You have no clue what you're talking about and keep moving the goalposts by saying "there needs to be more." No, chit. It would be great if every country could magically test every person every day, but that isn't feasible. You can't "isolate the sick" with a virus this contagious that exhibits very mild to asymptomatic features. All you can do is take preventive measures and move on with your life.... Or not. Stay at home forever if you want to.
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    Originally Posted by BalkanPrince View Post
    You are left between two bad choices: 1. Economic depression, 2. Dead (mostly seniors) folks.


    Number 1 screws everyone, healthy and unhealthy, young and old, poor and wealthy, white and black. Number 2 overwhelmingly screws people who are unfortunately sick and old.

    Do the math.

    I am sorry but people will not live forever anyways. The elderly volunteered to work around the nuclear reactors in Japan after the tsunami because they lived a long life, meanwhile some of our elderly have the opposite attitude. Look man, I know it sounds messed up, but if you 70 and up, chances are that something will get you regardless. But with a complete economic lockdown you are endangering the livelihoods of tens of millions of people, throwing people's lives in the dump, starving families, divorce rates going up, and bankrupting the youth. If I was 70 and up, I'd thank the lord for the time he has given me and be at peace if I happen to die from literally ANYTHING. You won't live forever.
    While you are fundamentally right, this whole lockdown chit is a bogus attempt at bringing down the economy.

    They want to bring down the economy among other things to use it as an arguing point against the president.

    Its disgustingly sad that they want to make everyone suffer and miserable because they're having a president tantrum.
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    Originally Posted by KE19 View Post
    The flu's mortality rate is 0.1%. The population of the United States is 330 million, not 500 million. 0.1% of 330 million = 330k.
    I didn't say that there are 500 million people in the US.

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    According to your very scientific calculation the flu should kill 330k Americans every year, when in reality is only kills around 60k (with no shutdowns, social distancing etc.). What an absurd equation. It's much more complicated than the junk stats you're pulling from thin air.
    This is the dumbest thing I've read so far. Why are you comparing yearly flu stats to a novel virus that is far more contagious than the flu and has killed 450K in 5 months, and 120K of those in America alone?
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    Originally Posted by luckyboy23 View Post
    While you are fundamentally right, this whole lockdown chit is a bogus attempt at bringing down the economy.

    They want to bring down the economy among other things to use it as an arguing point against the president.

    Its disgustingly sad that they want to make everyone suffer and miserable because they're having a president tantrum.
    CT's gonna CT. It's always about Trump, eh? Lmao.
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    This summer will be filled with more and more families saying "screw it, we're going on a trip" and spreading from city to city, state to state.

    gonna be interesting...

    2 months until schools open back up. I'll be likely teaching in the inner city area, but I can't imagine how we will be at school full time ,40+ hrs a week. will likely be hybrid of online and in person classrooms. Gonna be a mess. These kids are gonna lose their minds
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    This is the dumbest thing I've read so far. Why are you comparing yearly flu stats to a novel virus that has killed 450K in 5 months, and 120K of those in America alone?
    Because you decided to extrapolate the morality rate of the Coronavirus to an arbitrary population of 500m and assumed every single one of those people would get infected and die at that exact same rate. To be fair though that isn't much worse of a calculation than many of the models that predicted millions dead by the end of the summer even with social distancing.

    The Coronavirus has killed far more people in one cycle because:

    1) It's a new strain of virus that nobody has developed any sort of immunity to compared to the common flu
    2) It's far more contagious and made it's way into unsuspecting nursing homes where it wreaked havoc

    Your solution seems to test everyone frequently and contact trace, which won't be feasible any time soon. No large country has been able to implement this sort of system to any great degree of success yet. It's either panic and broad lockdowns or riding it out like Sweden.
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    Typical R&P. Love to try to politicize everything. If you want to talk Red vs. Blue, remind me again which state has the most deaths? How about this list of the most deaths per 1M of population:

    New York
    New Jersey
    Connecticut
    Massachusetts
    Rhode Island
    DC
    Louisiana
    Michigan
    Illinois


    Pretty much the same for total cases per 1M population. Which are red and which are blue?
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    Originally Posted by KE19 View Post
    Because you decided to extrapolate the morality rate of the Coronavirus to an arbitrary population of 500m and assumed every single one of those people would get infected and die at that exact same rate. To be fair though that isn't much worse of a calculation than many of the models that predicted millions dead by the end of the summer even with social distancing.
    Lol @ asserting it's a 0.3% death rate and then getting gruff when someone uses your figure.

    Originally Posted by KE19 View Post
    The Coronavirus has killed far more people in one cycle because:

    1) It's a new strain of virus that nobody has developed any sort of immunity to compared to the common flu
    2) It's far more contagious and made it's way into unsuspecting nursing homes where it wreaked havoc

    Your solution seems to test everyone frequently and contact trace, which won't be feasible any time soon. No large country has been able to implement this sort of system to any great degree of success yet. It's either panic and broad lockdowns or riding it out like Sweden.
    Again, that's why it's called a novel virus, so why are you comparing it to the flu?

    So just let 'er rip because in your mind mass testing isn't feasible? Okay...

    I suppose you're against masks, too?
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    Totally wrecked by a virus with a quarter of a percent mortality rate.

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    You just don't like the police enforcing the lockdown? Did you enjoy reading that people were getting 1,000 dollar fines for having a kabob on a park bench? Did you bootlicker?
    So straight into fckwit mode then.

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    Lol @ asserting it's a 0.3% death rate and then getting gruff when someone uses your figure.
    You can use the figure. Just don't make insert it into faulty calculations and expect to get an accurate result.

    Again, that's why it's called a novel virus, so why are you comparing it to the flu?
    I compared it to the flu because it's another widespread virus we regularly deal with and it has a mortality rate of 0.1%. I plugged that number into your little math equation to prove how flawed it is.

    So just let 'er rip because in your mind mass testing isn't feasible? Okay...
    Mass testing might be feasible in the future, but it isn't at this moment. Testing is expanding worldwide, but no nation has been able to produce tests or a system sufficient to test anyone, anywhere, anytime.

    I suppose you're against masks, too?
    Not against masks, it doesn't hurt to wear them, but it also shouldn't be state mandated. Not sure what we're even arguing anymore. Take care.
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    As long as those states health care systems can handle it and hospitals aren't getting completely overwhelmed, they can proceed with re-opening. People should also wear masks out of courtesy and respect social distancing as feasibly as possible. There are going to be spikes no matter what, unless we never leave our homes again.

    I was absolutely for the initial lockdowns, especially here in NY since this state was hit extremely hard and there was still a ton of uncertainty and unknowns about the virus. The lockdowns were the correct decision. But the narrative quickly went from "lock down so hospitals don't get overwhelmed" to "lock down until the virus goes away", and seemed to be remaining that way up until the George Floyd protests and rioting started a couple weeks ago.
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    Totally wrecked by a virus with a quarter of a percent mortality rate.

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    Dumbass thread. If you're scared, stay home and cover your face with clothe like a moron. The rest of us realize life has risk.
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    Funny how so much attention is payed to the red states (who started testing more) but not anywhere the protests/riots popped off...interesting

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    Originally Posted by KE19 View Post
    You can use the figure. Just don't make insert it into faulty calculations and expect to get an accurate result.



    I compared it to the flu because it's another widespread virus we regularly deal with and it has a mortality rate of 0.1%. I plugged that number into your little math equation to prove how flawed it is.



    Mass testing might be feasible in the future, but it isn't at this moment. Testing is expanding worldwide, but no nation has been able to produce tests or a system sufficient to test anyone, anywhere, anytime.



    Not against masks, it doesn't hurt to wear them, but it also shouldn't be state mandated. Not sure what we're even arguing anymore. Take care.
    I'm not arguing. I just find that you calling out fuzzy math while using fuzzy math is, well, fuzzy.

    Once again, flu virus and novel virus, particularly an emergent one, is not even close to the same thing, hence the difficulty in figuring this thing out.
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    Funny how so much attention is payed to the red states (who started testing more) but not anywhere the protests/riots popped off...interesting

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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    I didn't say that there are 500 million people in the US.
    Then what the hell were you talking about here lol

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    Derp... who's talking about shutdowns? Testing. Get people tested and isolate the sick. It's not rocket science. 0.3% of 500 million = 1.5 million.
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    Originally Posted by SWDeath View Post
    Are you getting mad for sal because its your alt?

    Thats sad.
    Nah, not mad at all. I just hate ad hominems—if someone uses one I’ll always retort.

    Plus, if he’s claiming someone is a low-test soyboy, he better be able to show that he at least can put his test to use. That height probably doesn’t cut it, unfortunately.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    [x] wildly incorrect math
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    explain
    People here are trumpeting a purported 0.3% fatality rate. What's 100-0.3?
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    Originally Posted by SWDeath View Post
    Hawaii population: 1.416 million

    Aizona population: 7.2 million

    Do you know how percentages work little guy?
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    Are hospitals being overwhelmed?


    Because that was the "reason" for the lock downs...
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