Texas, Florida, Arizona and other Red States getting REKT by Covid-19

[5x10]

Yes, we need local lockdowns. Green areas should not be locked, red areas should be locked. Lets look at the map.






lulz

lock downs don’t impact death rate , why do you keep wishing for them?

[z4v4]

Spent Thanksgiving with around 45 people inside, no masks, for about 8 hours.

Sure, son. Sure.

[WeDoPullups]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...tores-74423483

Virus keeps Black Friday crowds thin, shoppers shift online

Did any store or politician put limits on Black Friday shopping, or even warn against it? Did anyone specifically say “stay home, we are limiting our store capacity”? Nope.

Interesting how LA waited until after Black Friday to shut everything down again...

[frankdtank20]

deaths not rising btw
immunity has been reached btw

People who die from any cause (aside from the minority of car crashes, suicides) and also happen to test positive for the coronavirus are listed as a Covid death. State and Federal health officials have been telling us this since it began. I can't speak for other countries but that's how it's done here in the USA.



There's video of Dr. Birx confirming this too.

The Rona positive test rate doubled what it was in late summer. Expected for a respiratory virus this time of year. The number of "Covid deaths" automatically doubles because of positive test results, whether the Rona had anything to do with their death or not. The actual number of people dying because of Covid any given day is unknown. Numbers are easier to look at in aggregates and projection comparisons. Then we add in the reality that 15% more daily deaths happen this time of year than in late summer, every year, and quite honestly I'm surprised the "Covid deaths" aren't listed as higher.

your graph tracks the positivity rate of the following graph almost perfectly. The positive test rate rises and falls, the Covid deaths do in virtual perfect lock step. So listed Covid deaths are a reflection of how prevalent the virus is among the US population.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states

There are multiple ways to prove that correlation is not causation. Deaths take weeks, and are thus a lagging indicator. Yet listed Covid deaths are lock step with newly detected infections. There should be a 4-8 week delay after the positive test rate graph, but there isn't. I hope people can understand this.

~20% of deaths are FROM Covid, while the rest are deaths happening WITH Covid. That will be more evident at the beginning of 2021. Even among those dying FROM Covid, plenty would not be celebrating January 1, 2021. Almost half of deaths have been patients from nursing homes. Median time a person moves to a nursing home and dies pre-Covid was 5 months. The more generous interpretation is Covid took them out a little earlier than their expiration date. Maybe. No way to know for how many they were going to die that day anyway.

All the increasing numbers are math and seasonal patterns, not a reflection of whether a person actually dies FROM Covid.

[ViolentZ]

excess deaths are almost 2x higher than covid deaths, so dont tell me they are overcounting covid deaths lol.

So listed Covid deaths are a reflection of how prevalent the virus is among the US population.

no ****

[|ceman]

People who die from any cause (aside from the minority of car crashes, suicides) and also happen to test positive for the coronavirus are listed as a Covid death. State and Federal health officials have been telling us this since it began. I can't speak for other countries but that's how it's done here in the USA.



There's video of Dr. Birx confirming this too.

The Rona positive test rate doubled what it was in late summer. Expected for a respiratory virus this time of year. The number of "Covid deaths" automatically doubles because of positive test results, whether the Rona had anything to do with their death or not. The actual number of people dying because of Covid any given day is unknown. Numbers are easier to look at in aggregates and projection comparisons. Then we add in the reality that 15% more daily deaths happen this time of year than in late summer, every year, and quite honestly I'm surprised the "Covid deaths" aren't listed as higher.

your graph tracks the positivity rate of the following graph almost perfectly. The positive test rate rises and falls, the Covid deaths do in virtual perfect lock step. So listed Covid deaths are a reflection of how prevalent the virus is among the US population.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states

There are multiple ways to prove that correlation is not causation. Deaths take weeks, and are thus a lagging indicator. Yet listed Covid deaths are lock step with newly detected infections. There should be a 4-8 week delay after the positive test rate graph, but there isn't. I hope people can understand this.

~20% of deaths are FROM Covid, while the rest are deaths happening WITH Covid. That will be more evident at the beginning of 2021. Even among those dying FROM Covid, plenty would not be celebrating January 1, 2021. Almost half of deaths have been patients from nursing homes. Median time a person moves to a nursing home and dies pre-Covid was 5 months. The more generous interpretation is Covid took them out a little earlier than their expiration date. Maybe. No way to know for how many they were going to die that day anyway.

All the increasing numbers are math and seasonal patterns, not a reflection of whether a person actually dies FROM Covid.

It's actually been critically analyzed that covid deaths are likely being underreported. All cause mortality is way up this year despite a reduction in automobile traffic, which is a major cause of death, for example.

The accusation of misreporting of cause of death for the benefit of the hospital is a right wing talking point invented after the claim that covid was just the flu fell apart. Yes, there have been one or two isolated instances of bad reporting of cause of death, but no evidence of a wholesale nationwide conspiracy by medical professionals to goose the numbers. Let's not feed into that conspiracy, it's counterproductive to rational discussion.

[frankdtank20]

excess deaths are almost 2x higher than covid deaths, so dont tell me they are overcounting covid deaths lol.

Not even close. To come to that conclusion, one has to assume in a quickly ageing population, the number of deaths were going to fall by a few hundred thousand in 2020 if it weren't for Covid. Fantasy land. Conspiracy theory land.
Reality is the US deaths have grown 40K a year for a decade.
Deaths of 2019: 2.86 million
Deaths in 2020: 3.08 - 3.12 million (what we're on track for)

220-260K more deaths in 2020 than 2019. Natural increase is 40K. Among the most conservative sources, the CDC, 75K of those deaths by September were from the lockdowns and fear of the virus. Pretty safe to call that 100K by year end. Yet there's going to be 330-350K "Covid deaths" for the year. The numbers will not compute. To pump the fear, we have to pretend the USA was going to reverse the prior decade's course and have significantly less deaths in 2020 it weren't for Covid.

If we don't go that route and instead go with what you're mistaken about, the US will need to have 3.5 Million deaths in 2020.

[frankdtank20]

It's actually been critically analyzed that covid deaths are likely being underreported. All cause mortality is way up this year despite a reduction in automobile traffic, which is a major cause of death, for example.

The accusation of misreporting of cause of death for the benefit of the hospital is a right wing talking point invented after the claim that covid was just the flu fell apart. Yes, there have been one or two isolated instances of bad reporting of cause of death, but no evidence of a wholesale nationwide conspiracy by medical professionals to goose the numbers. Let's not feed into that conspiracy, it's counterproductive to rational discussion.

There's no need of someone to "goose" the numbers. No need to accuse hospitals of misreporting to get more money. Matter of fact, it's just doctors doing what they're told to do.
It's reality that people are dying WITH Covid, while the number dying FROM Covid won't be fully understood until probably long afterward. It's heretical right now.
I notice no critique of the evidence I've shown, like how deaths jump 15% from summer to now every year, or how the deaths are following the positivity rate in lock-step, when there should be a delay by weeks if the deaths are all caused BY Covid.

The excess deaths you're reading about include the magical assumption the US was going to have tens of thousands (up to 100K) less deaths in 2020 than in 2019, if it weren't for Covid. Despite increasing on average 40K per year for a decade with our rapidly ageing Boomers. So that 40K natural increase has to be subtracted, along with tens of thousands more to arrive at the excess you've been reading about. FWIW those fantasy numbers are static numbers and thus can't be projected out.

[|ceman]

There's no need of someone to "goose" the numbers. No need to accuse hospitals of misreporting to get more money. Matter of fact, it's just doctors doing what they're told to do.
It's reality that people are dying WITH Covid, while the number dying FROM Covid won't be fully understood until probably long afterward. It's heretical right now.
I notice no critique of the evidence I've shown, like how deaths jump 15% from summer to now every year, or how the deaths are following the positivity rate in lock-step, when there should be a delay by weeks if the deaths are all caused BY Covid.

The excess deaths you're reading about include the magical assumption the US was going to have tens of thousands (up to 100K) less deaths in 2020 than in 2019, if it weren't for Covid. Despite increasing on average 40K per year for a decade with our rapidly ageing Boomers. So that 40K natural increase has to be subtracted, along with tens of thousands more to arrive at the excess you've been reading about. FWIW those fantasy numbers are static numbers and thus can't be projected out.

The implication is a massive nationwide corrupt scheme coordinated by medical professionals in all states and all hospitals, not to mention in coordination with international medical professionals, as the case fatality rate in the US is in line with other countries, so it's not as if the US has a huge number of covid per infection death rate indicative of fraud.

Because the other possibility for your claims to be correct is that the entire medical profession does not know how to accurately assess cause of death.

So neither option sounds very reasonable to me:
# a massive international scandal of incompetence in determining cause of death
Or
$ a massive international corrupt conspiracy where the actual cause of death was forged


The more likely scenario is that right wing political forces invented a story to minimize the true impact of the pandemic and to defend dangerous ideological stances like being against public mask wearing.

[Dave22reborn]

Usually the ones gloating online about their great friends and family are the ones who are alone in real life. But there is no reason for us to get personal.

Since you're so interested in continuing to yap, let me ask again, what is the death rate in the US for Covid?

I'm just asking you a simple question, did you have a ZOOM Thanksgiving?

The death rate is in the billions.....

[Dave22reborn]

I can't believe he hasn't died of COVID yet...

Dude, he hasn't left the house in months.

[Sal29]

lock downs don’t impact death rate , why do you keep wishing for them?

Lockdowns GREATLY REDUCE the death rate. Finland's 2 month lockdown was INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL.
New Zealand and other countries lockdowns were even more successful.
Finland vs Sweden is the closest thing to a controlled study you can ever get.
Listening to Conservative ideas=EPIC FAIL.
Listening to Doctors and Scientists=Winning Bigly.

[Sal29]

Washington State has an EXTREMELY LOW Covid Death Rate as of today despite all the BLM, Antifa, and other Protesters.
I guess they must have been mostly wearing masks.
South Dakota by comparison has an EXTREMELY HIGH Covid Death Rate that is accelerating out of control.
South Dakota is doing so incredibly bad that it has left previous hotspots like Texas, Florida, and Arizona in the dust.
If you go back earlier in this thread, you can see Conservative Miscers bragging about South Dakota.
It looks like those Unmasked Bikers for Trump were super spreaders who will kill thousands of people by spreading Covid.

[ViolentZ]

Not even close. To come to that conclusion, one has to assume in a quickly ageing population, the number of deaths were going to fall by a few hundred thousand in 2020 if it weren't for Covid. Fantasy land. Conspiracy theory land.
Reality is the US deaths have grown 40K a year for a decade.

excess deaths take into consideration of population growth. noob

[andy0w]

America needs more parties, more guns, and a wall around it all.

Welcome Snake Plissken.

[badreligion]

Yes, we need local lockdowns. Green areas should not be locked, red areas should be locked. Lets look at the map.






lulz

Lockdowns don't do anything and if they did why do we need more?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bX-wFVBP94&t=836s Educate yourself.

[ViolentZ]

Conservicucks covid deniers: #17 "People who die of COVID would have died in the next 6 months anyway"


science: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....08.20050559v2


https://twitter.com/zorinaq/status/1...366463488?s=20

[ViolentZ]

Cuckservatives covid deniers: #6 "lockdowns don't work"


Science: https://twitter.com/zorinaq/status/1...523616257?s=20



(100 gazillion articles that state otherwise)



Covid has 10k deaths per day worldwide and these are undercounts.

[chaunce54]

Twatter.com. For all your science needs...

[|ceman]

Twatter.com. For all your science needs...

You're right. We should only use the tweeter for evidence of election fraud.

[x-trainer ben]

It's a natural disaster occurring in all 50 states at the same time': Leading physician gives dire warning as post-Thanksgiving hospitalizations hit a record 93,238, Fauci warns of a 'surge upon a surge' and millions head home after the holidays
US coronavirus hospitalizations have nearly doubled in the last month - reaching 93,238 on Sunday.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rd-93-238.html


nah, nothing to see here


https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/covid-19-daily-video

[|ceman]

We're at a spot right now where an American is dying from covid every minute of every day.



Not good guys. Not good at all.

[Dave22reborn]

We're at a spot right now where an American is dying from covid every minute of every day.



Not good guys. Not good at all.

Its the end of the world!!!!!

[Dave22reborn]

It's a natural disaster occurring in all 50 states at the same time': Leading physician gives dire warning as post-Thanksgiving hospitalizations hit a record 93,238, Fauci warns of a 'surge upon a surge' and millions head home after the holidays
US coronavirus hospitalizations have nearly doubled in the last month - reaching 93,238 on Sunday.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rd-93-238.html


nah, nothing to see here


https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/covid-19-daily-video

Didn't you head home for the Holidays? You're part of the problem. Same with every politician that did the same.....

[Cleveland33]

so wait, is it a global pandemic again? I thought everyone else was doing great and only the US was struggling

[badreligion]

We're at a spot right now where an American is dying from covid every minute of every day.



Not good guys. Not good at all.

People die all the time, nothing new. Saying everyone is dying from covid is just flat out wrong.

[badreligion]

It's a natural disaster occurring in all 50 states at the same time': Leading physician gives dire warning as post-Thanksgiving hospitalizations hit a record 93,238, Fauci warns of a 'surge upon a surge' and millions head home after the holidays
US coronavirus hospitalizations have nearly doubled in the last month - reaching 93,238 on Sunday.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rd-93-238.html


nah, nothing to see here


https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/covid-19-daily-video

Fauci is a total hack

[Mountaineer92]

interesting that nearly 90% of deaths of "covid" deaths in NJ are patients with DNR (do not resuscitate)

meaning they were terminally ill before catching covid. dying from and dying with covid are 2 different things. the people that have YET to understand this are legitimately retarded.

[x-trainer ben]

Didn't you head home for the Holidays? You're part of the problem. Same with every politician that did the same.....

I am home, so try making sense next time.

[x-trainer ben]

Fauci is a total hack

And Osterholm from the University of Minnesota?

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-adviser...132648631.html