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    A Little Perspective on “Defunding” the Police

    Just a little wording fix for continuity and making sure we are discussing the same thing.....

    Defunding defined is “prevent from continuing to receive funds”

    Reducing funds for the next year is NOT defunding. It is simply reducing the amount of funds. Defunding is an absolute. If they were defunded, they would have no money.

    The primary example seen in the media is LAPD, so let’s use that.

    They lost about 150M for next year.
    Their 2019-2020 budget is 1.73 BILLION (none of you even bothered to look this up or thought about it at all...

    .150/1.730 x 100 = 8% (back me up, obviously)

    Aren’t conservatives supposed to support polices which facilitate smaller government and less taxes? Like, that is your whole thing right?
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    They honestly don't need any money at this point because they can't/won't do anything anyway. May as well just get rid of them completely now and let what's going to happen eventually anyway happen now so we can get it over with sooner rather than later. Kinda messed up sending them out to dangerous zones only to tell them that if they do anything to protect themselves they will get fired at the minimum and maybe even go to jail themselves.

    "Hey guys we need 1.73 Billion dollars to hire bodies and buy a bunch of vehicles, equipment, and guns for aesthetic purposes so we can send them out to get their asses whopped and murdered"

    These events have shown that due to compliance to orders and/or personal reasons they will not actually protect the country, the public, or themselves at least in the major cities that the rioting has taken place.
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    Originally Posted by peterplsss View Post
    They honestly don't need any money at this point because they can't/won't do anything anyway. May as well just get rid of them completely now and let what's going to happen eventually anyway happen now so we can get it over with sooner rather than later. Kinda messed up sending them out to dangerous zones only to tell them that if they do anything to protect themselves they will get fired at the minimum and maybe even go to jail themselves.

    "Hey guys we need 1.73 Billion dollars to hire bodies and buy a bunch of vehicles, equipment, and guns for aesthetic purposes so we can send them out to get their asses whopped and murdered"

    These events have shown that due to compliance to orders and/or personal reasons they will not actually protect the country, the public, or themselves at least in the major cities that the rioting has taken place.
    I feel like every governmental agency, especially the ones practicing the monopoly on the use of physical force, has way more allocated resources such as equipment and training, etc, than they will ever use.

    Small municipal PD’s using a dedicated “swat” team for felony drug warrants is a good example of this.
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    If they actually defund (or reallocate funds however you want to say it) then lower EVERYONE'S property tax. It won't happen.
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    werent they cutting funding anyways because of lost revenue from covid?
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    Anyone who wants to defund the police should not dial 9 1 1 if they get robbed or someone breaks into their home
    Make our guns illegal and we'll call them undocumented.
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    You know exactly what the leftists mean when they say “defund”. GTFO. Thanks for trying, better luck next time.
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    Originally Posted by Ironmanlet View Post
    Just a little wording fix for continuity and making sure we are discussing the same thing.....

    Defunding defined is “prevent from continuing to receive funds”

    Reducing funds for the next year is NOT defunding. It is simply reducing the amount of funds. Defunding is an absolute. If they were defunded, they would have no money.

    The primary example seen in the media is LAPD, so let’s use that.

    They lost about 150M for next year.
    Their 2019-2020 budget is 1.73 BILLION (none of you even bothered to look this up or thought about it at all...

    .150/1.730 x 100 = 8% (back me up, obviously)

    Aren’t conservatives supposed to support polices which facilitate smaller government and less taxes? Like, that is your whole thing right?
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    Originally Posted by peterplsss View Post
    They honestly don't need any money at this point because they can't/won't do anything anyway. May as well just get rid of them completely now and let what's going to happen eventually anyway happen now so we can get it over with sooner rather than later. Kinda messed up sending them out to dangerous zones only to tell them that if they do anything to protect themselves they will get fired at the minimum and maybe even go to jail themselves.

    "Hey guys we need 1.73 Billion dollars to hire bodies and buy a bunch of vehicles, equipment, and guns for aesthetic purposes so we can send them out to get their asses whopped and murdered"

    These events have shown that due to compliance to orders and/or personal reasons they will not actually protect the country, the public, or themselves at least in the major cities that the rioting has taken place.
    Too much logic in 2020. This is same to my thoughts as well. The reason for the police exist is to enforce the consequences of breaking the law. If they aren’t actually going to stop mass looting because of the fears of racism, lawsuits, and additional protests, then there is no point in wasting resources. Let people handle themselves. When the cities see a huge spike in crime, they can rethink their strategy later on. Or who knows, we could all be wrong and no one will commit crimes anymore. Win-win
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    Originally Posted by Kevroqs View Post
    Anyone who wants to defund the police should not dial 9 1 1 if they get robbed or someone breaks into their home
    but who will show up an hour late and shoot my dog then? will my AR be enough to get the job done on its own?
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    Originally Posted by Ironmanlet View Post
    I feel like every governmental agency, especially the ones practicing the monopoly on the use of physical force, has way more allocated resources such as equipment and training, etc, than they will ever use.

    Small municipal PD’s using a dedicated “swat” team for felony drug warrants is a good example of this.
    I agree completely and this has been going on for a long time. They also always want new gear, when regular weapons and maybe 1 dedicated marksman rifle with 1 guy on the department that can actually shoot well will be able to handle anything they deal with. Swat teams and advanced gear should only actually be needed in large cities that could potentially be the target of a coordinated, organized terrorist attack.

    My only point was at this point I see our current US society thinking that they don't want police at all and this past week has shown that they won't actually protect citizens or the country when they face real adversity so it appears like they don't actually need anything they have because they won't use it anyway.

    If they are going to just roll over and become politicians attack dogs/an extra stream of revenue then fuk them.
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    Originally Posted by peterplsss View Post
    I agree completely and this has been going on for a long time. They also always want new gear, when regular weapons and maybe 1 dedicated marksman rifle with 1 guy on the department that can actually shoot well will be able to handle anything they deal with. Swat teams and advanced gear should only actually be needed in large cities that could potentially be the target of a coordinated, organized terrorist attack.

    My only point was at this point I see our current US society thinking that they don't want police at all and this past week has shown that they won't actually protect citizens or the country when they face real adversity so it appears like they don't actually need anything they have because they won't use it anyway.

    If they are going to just roll over and become politicians attack dogs/an extra stream of revenue then fuk be
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