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    Question Can you ruin you're newbie gains?

    Hey All

    I swear I've posted this before or simply never got around to posting it and always wanted to know an answer to this

    If you took two New untrained lifters Lifter A & Lifter B and they trained for a year, Guy number A ate in a surplus/properly and guy number B didn't eat well he ate on/off

    Both guys would progress well due to "Newbie Gains" but Obviously Guy A has more potential for muscle growth and has certainly progressed much more than guy B
    But has guy B wasted his newbie gains growth potential compared to guy A who trained better or has guy B just wasted some time and once he is eating correctly he will shoot up similar to if he just ate properly in the first place?

    I did hear someone say the Newbie gains are referring to how close you are to your max genetic potential, when you start off skinny you will grow faster not just because you're only new to lifting but because your way further from your genetic potential
    Genetics play a roll in all this but I'm generalizing here

    -Thanks!
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    B should more or less catch up once he starts eating well.
    However, there is also the issue of a unconditioned muscle responding better than a "trained" one, in fact there are whole routines based on the idea of the "Repeated Bout Effect" and then unconditioning the muscles; the efficacy of that can be discussed....
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    No

    It's not like someone starts a timer after your first ever workout - and it lasts 3 months...

    Potential remains there until it's fulfilled

    Newbie gains have two parts:
    a) Rapid improvement in neural efficiency - both A and B should get this regardless of nutrition differences because it depends only on hard training for the first 6 weeks or so
    b) Potential for muscle growth is higher the further you are away from your (theoretical) maximum potential. This is where B will be lagging due to poor nutrition

    So if A and B continue to train equally hard and with good nutrition, B will never catch A but the difference will get smaller because of the dynamics of being on an exponential decay curve (which roughly models lifetime progress)
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    You both answered the question perfectly to what I sort of hopes and expected!

    Thanks Guys!!
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