Cops shove elderly man to the ground, then leave him there bleeding

[chaunce54]

Good lord. An old man standing near police officers with a phone and a "big mouth" is not assault.

OK, then a little push is not "attacking" either then...

[Fishman15]

I don't know, I wasn't there and I don't know what training/skills the officers have. I do however know at least one officer felt it was a good idea to attempt to help him almost instantly - and was stopped. Nobody, and I mean nobody, should look at that video and go "yea that seems right."

He was stopped because it wasn't his job. The officer in charge that stopped him looked like he was calling in for the medic I'm assuming. You can hear the gal officer officer a little later telling the camera man that a medic had been called. That's pretty damn quick considering they are in the middle of a riot...

[dannyg1217]

[ ] not forcefully shoved
[ ] bleeding out his ear from a head injury due to being shoved

Pick one.

he was a frail old man, you could've breathed on him and he'd fall back, get a grip on reality *******.

[z4v4]

OK, then a little push is not "attacking" either then...

[ ] little push
[ ] bleeding from the ear from a cerebral contusion

Choose.

[dannyg1217]

And stopping another officer from checking up on an old man bleeding from his head seemingly unable to stand after being knocked to the concrete? Does that make sense?

theyre not emts, and shouldn't break the line, do they want to endanger fellow officers for some dumb ass who shouldn't have been there in the first place?

[miscinbro]

OK, then a little push is not "attacking" either then...

No. Literally making zero physical contact is not the same as pushing someone to the ground on concrete. This should be obvious.

[dannyg1217]

[ ] little push
[ ] bleeding from the ear from a cerebral contusion

Choose.

yeah, learn some anatomy, is he was bleeding from the brain, it would be contained unless his skull was split open. My friend literally bled from the ear from squats, he didn't die or go to the hospital.

[chaunce54]

No. Literally making zero physical contact is not the same as pushing someone to the ground on concrete. This should be obvious.

He CLEARLY touches the officer not once, but twice...

[dhawkeye1980]

Yea, you're right about that.

Sad as that is. Old guy holding a phone close to getting shot.

SMH

Tell your party members to stop killing cops and we all wouldn't have to shake our heads at it

[miscinbro]

He was stopped because it wasn't his job. The officer in charge that stopped him looked like he was calling in for the medic I'm assuming. You can hear the gal officer officer a little later telling the camera man that a medic had been called. That's pretty damn quick considering they are in the middle of a riot...

Just a few posts up ...

People aren't happy with the "but that's the rules" argument. We should make the rules and change them if need, I think it should be the job of the officers to give the old man aid if possible as soon as possible. Based on that video it was very possible to offer him assistant almost imminently.

Didn't take long for you to come back to this.

[CAWKS]

[ ] little push
[ ] bleeding from the ear from a cerebral contusion

Choose.

Why not both?

[miscinbro]

He CLEARLY touches the officer not once, but twice...

That's not what I see in the video.

[miscinbro]

theyre not emts, and shouldn't break the line, do they want to endanger fellow officers for some dumb ass who shouldn't have been there in the first place?

The officer that wanted to kneel down next to him wasn't putting anyone in danger by doing so.

[chaunce54]

That's not what I see in the video.

You need to get your eyes checked then.

[z4v4]

yeah, learn some anatomy, is he was bleeding from the brain, it would be contained unless his skull was split open. My friend literally bled from the ear from squats, he didn't die or go to the hospital.

So your buddy can bleed from the ear from squats, but dude knocked on his head can't both bleed from the brain and ear? Okay, son.

[Fishman15]

He CLEARLY touches the officer not once, but twice...

On top of that he was obviously getting argumentative with the cop. If I had to guess, he was crying about why the big bad meanie police officer needed to have his baton out because the old fck is clearly looking down and motioning at the cops gear...

[dannyg1217]

So your buddy can bleed from the ear from squats, but dude knocked on his head can't both bleed from the brain and ear? Okay, son.

theyre not connected directly is the point. Theres a thing called the blood brain barrier. Thats why they have to give artificial relief for bleeding of the brain. Pick up a book.

[dannyg1217]

The officer that wanted to kneel down next to him wasn't putting anyone in danger by doing so.

could you see 20 feet in front of them?

[Fishman15]

The officer that wanted to kneel down next to him wasn't putting anyone in danger by doing so.

dude get help...the old fck didn't miss out on any medical care. It wouldn't have mattered which LE guy kneeled down next to him first.

[miscinbro]

could you see 20 feet in front of them?

Yes, at ~20 seconds you can see the whole street in front of them, it's almost completely empty.

[dannyg1217]

Yes, at ~20 seconds you can see the whole street in front of them, it's almost completely empty.

crazy, didn't realize you were there to account for off screen activity, glad we have you to protect LEOs

[etet1919]

thats pretty ****ing stupid, why is he even there when there are hundreds of policers walking with riot gear. I mean you gotta be pretty ****ing stupid to pull some ****.

There's really no winning here, if they had just gentle escorted him out of the way. the MSM and liberals would have posted this all over social media saying "this is white privilege.

Another sad and very likely possibility as to why he was approaching riot police- he could have dementia or be mentally ill.

[miscinbro]

dude get help...the old fck didn't miss out on any medical care. It wouldn't have mattered which LE guy kneeled down next to him first.

The fact that you think I'm acting to irrationally that I should "seek help" says a lot more about you than me. This is about how cops act in America. In other countries they are helpful and use violence as a last resort. Here we have a frail old man pushed to the ground and the guy who pushed him looks down at him without showing any concern, then another officer attempting to help him is stopped from doing so.

That's not what I want to see from the people I'm giving huge power to in order to keep me safe.

[z4v4]

theyre not connected directly is the point. Theres a thing called the blood brain barrier. Thats why they have to give artificial relief for bleeding of the brain. Pick up a book.

So your assertion is that he's fine, and it had nothing to do with a head injury? Roflcopter, son.

[miscinbro]

crazy, didn't realize you were there to account for off screen activity, glad we have you to protect LEOs

I don't really believe you think that, based on the video, the one officer kneeling down for a like 30 seconds, or even a few minutes, was going to put them in danger.

[LukeLissen]

BREAKING NEWS: 57 cops RESIGN from Buffalo police team in 'disgust' over the 'treatment' of two cops who were suspended for pushing a peace activist, 75, to the floor as department opens a criminal investigation
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...an-ground.html
All 57 officers on the Buffalo Police Department's Emergency Response Team resigned from the squad on Friday in support of two colleagues who have been suspended and are under investigation
The two officers were suspended without pay after footage showed them knocking 75-year-old Martin Gugino to the ground in front of Buffalo's City Hall in upstate New York on Thursday night
The officers haven't resigned from the Department - only the Emergency Response Team they were on
Gugino, a longtime peace activist from Amherst, is in a serious but stable condition following the incident that saw him crack his head open and left him lying in a pool of his own blood
Footage shows one officer pushing him with a baton while another shoves him with his hand
The elderly man staggers before falling backward, and the sound of a crack is heard as he hits his head
Buffalo Police initially released a statement saying a person 'was injured when he tripped and fell' before later announcing the officers had been suspended pending an investigation
New York Gov. Cuomo on Friday called for the city to fire and charge the two officers involved
He also slammed other officers for walking by as he lay bleeding and unconscious in the street



Excellent long article with many pics and info in the link above.

[miscinbro]

BREAKING NEWS: 57 cops RESIGN from Buffalo police team in 'disgust' over the 'treatment' of two cops who were suspended for pushing a peace activist, 75, to the floor as department opens a criminal investigation
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...an-ground.html
All 57 officers on the Buffalo Police Department's Emergency Response Team resigned from the squad on Friday in support of two colleagues who have been suspended and are under investigation
The two officers were suspended without pay after footage showed them knocking 75-year-old Martin Gugino to the ground in front of Buffalo's City Hall in upstate New York on Thursday night
The officers haven't resigned from the Department - only the Emergency Response Team they were on
Gugino, a longtime peace activist from Amherst, is in a serious but stable condition following the incident that saw him crack his head open and left him lying in a pool of his own blood
Footage shows one officer pushing him with a baton while another shoves him with his hand
The elderly man staggers before falling backward, and the sound of a crack is heard as he hits his head
Buffalo Police initially released a statement saying a person 'was injured when he tripped and fell' before later announcing the officers had been suspended pending an investigation
New York Gov. Cuomo on Friday called for the city to fire and charge the two officers involved
He also slammed other officers for walking by as he lay bleeding and unconscious in the street



Excellent long article with many pics and info in the link above.

Yup. If anyone is confused why LEOs get so much hate sometimes - here you go. Pretty disgusting, especially saying he “tripped.”

[LukeLissen]

Yup. If anyone is confused why LEOs get so much hate sometimes - here you go. Pretty disgusting, especially saying he “tripped.”

He did trip. That wasn't even a hard shove. Any normally physical person has the physical capability to step backwards faster than that.

Don't be rushing up on riot cops trying to clear an area if you're so feeble you can't handle light pushing and shoving.

The cops did nothing wrong.

[miscinbro]

He did trip. That wasn't even a hard shove. Any normally physical person has the physical capability to step backwards faster than that.

Don't be rushing up on riot cops trying to clear an area if you're so feeble you can't handle light pushing and shoving.

The cops did nothing wrong.

He tripped because an officer pushed him.

And no, you can't ignore the fact that he's old and frail when judging use of force against him. It's kind of a big deal - hence the outrage. If he as an NFL linebacker people would respond very differently. The bias in your post is really coming through too when you say he was "rushing up" on them while just the sentence above you say he's not physically capable enough to even take a step backwards in real time.

[BearyManilowe]

He tripped because an officer pushed him.

And no, you can't ignore the fact that he's old and frail when judging use of force against him. It's kind of a big deal - hence the outrage. If he as an NFL linebacker people would respond very differently. The bias in your post is really coming through too when you say he was "rushing up" on them while just the sentence above you say he's not physically capable enough to even take a step backwards in real time.

Jesus fuk bro, we get it, you think they used too much force. Get a life, m8. Obviously, those 57 officers feel like they are being unfairly judged by Monday Morning Quarterbacks. Should someone else have knelt down? Maybe, but that's also how lawsuits get formed in this sue-happy country.

"It's bad enough that you shoved me, which I'm suing for, but then your officer moved my head unneccesarily and created an additional issue and so I'm also suing for that".

They called EMS and the National Guardsman, who is not allowed to interfere with Law Enforcement procedure applied treatment. Unfortunate that that's how it has to be but years of lawsuits and years of having to cover your own ass is why we're where we are. Do I think an officer could have knelt down and applied aid? Yeah sure, but that's not procedure. Procedure is to continue with the line, while your officer calls EMS and monitors the situation. EMS shows up and takes care of the medical side of the situation. It's no different than rolling up on a crime scene, you need to wait for medical to show up to handle their end, while the police handle their end. At this point you're just in here to be inflammatory to anyone who is telling you "that's procedure".