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    Originally Posted by rhadam View Post
    My favorite thing is watching you and basically every other leftist on this forum show your inability to use common sense and logic.
    It's not his fault that's a pretty fair summary of many arguments "defending" the police.
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    Look, instead of engaging in identity politics. Can we just talk real life?

    The guy went up to a group of police officers trying to clear a riot area.

    He had things in his hand.

    He FOR SURE was reaching and grabby with his hands. I dare you to go up to any cop and face him from a foot away and start reaching and making grabbing motions towards him. Please do that. IT WILL NOT END WELL FOR YOU. Nor should it. It is COMMON SENSE.

    The man was pushed. Not violently shoved to the ground. Pushed. I promise you that WE HAVE ALL, at one time in our lives, pushed someone in the EXACT same manner.

    The man, for whatever reason, a total fluke, hit his head despite the fact that he put his hands down in a natural response to falling down on ones back. It is sad that happened but he just as easily could have landed on his back and done a roll backwards like most people do.

    To blame this on the police is just asinine and anyone doing so is being completely disingenuous.
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    Originally Posted by StopitFocker View Post
    Look, instead of engaging in identity politics. Can we just talk real life?

    The guy went up to a group of police officers trying to clear a riot area.

    He had things in his hand.

    He FOR SURE was reaching and grabby with his hands. I dare you to go up to any cop and face him from a foot away and start reaching and making grabbing motions towards him. Please do that. IT WILL NOT END WELL FOR YOU. Nor should it. It is COMMON SENSE.

    The man was pushed. Not violently shoved to the ground. Pushed. I promise you that WE HAVE ALL, at one time in our lives, pushed someone in the EXACT same manner.

    The man, for whatever reason, a total fluke, hit his head despite the fact that he put his hands down in a natural response to falling down on ones back. It is sad that happened but he just as easily could have landed on his back and done a roll backwards like most people do.

    To blame this on the police is just asinine and anyone doing so is being completely disingenuous.
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    Originally Posted by JewishSuperHero View Post
    “Don’t get too close to cops or make sudden movements around them or they’ll violently attack you.”

    Lmao. That’s probably my favorite defense of cops. And I’ve been seeing more and more on R&P lately.
    And you support the looting and burning of corporate stores like Walmart and Target.
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    Not sure how that will affect the mayor but if that old guy did something wrong they should have arrested him. There was zero reason to shove him to the ground with their batons.
    Should they arrest every "protester" they shove with a baton?
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    Originally Posted by StopitFocker View Post
    Look, instead of engaging in identity politics. Can we just talk real life?

    The guy went up to a group of police officers trying to clear a riot area.

    He had things in his hand.

    He FOR SURE was reaching and grabby with his hands. I dare you to go up to any cop and face him from a foot away and start reaching and making grabbing motions towards him. Please do that. IT WILL NOT END WELL FOR YOU. Nor should it. It is COMMON SENSE.

    The man was pushed. Not violently shoved to the ground. Pushed. I promise you that WE HAVE ALL, at one time in our lives, pushed someone in the EXACT same manner.

    The man, for whatever reason, a total fluke, hit his head despite the fact that he put his hands down in a natural response to falling down on ones back. It is sad that happened but he just as easily could have landed on his back and done a roll backwards like most people do.

    To blame this on the police is just asinine and anyone doing so is being completely disingenuous.
    Lmao

    First, he's a skinny old man. "Pushing" him is not the same as pushing a strong young person.

    Second, if he did something wrong then arrest him. If he didn't then "pushing" him (and the consequences of that push) are on the officers.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Sure thing, Bumblebee.
    Bumble bee? Not sure what this means.

    When are you going to go shoot -3 with your -3 golf handicap today?

    Let's see the scorecard!
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    Originally Posted by StopitFocker View Post
    Bumble bee? Not sure what this means.

    When are you going to go shoot -3 with your -3 golf handicap today?

    Let's see the scorecard!
    Sure thing, Bumblebee. Let's see video of you bowling 289, son.
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    Lmao

    First, he's a skinny old man. "Pushing" him is not the same as pushing a strong young person.

    Second, if he did something wrong then arrest him. If he didn't then "pushing" him (and the consequences of that push) are on the officers.
    I really don't think the age or physical condition of the person should be a factor in considering what happened.

    He seemed to walk up to the cop fine. Seemed to moves his arms and legs around fine. Hardly seemed like a cripple or feeble old man.

    The fact is he had a fluke accident that happened to him (hitting his head) but he should not have put himself in that position to start with.

    Let me ask you this...would you, as a law abiding citizen, and I want an honest answer...walk up to a group of policemen or military who are engaged in a riot situation, stand a foot from him, and make hand and arm motions and reach for his baton/gun belt?

    I mean....does that seem like a rational thing to do? Would you feel safe doing that?

    Because I know I would not be withing 100 yards of that situation. But if you feel that is a sane, rational thing to, then by all means I would love to hear your reasoning.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Sure thing, Bumblebee. Let's see video of you bowling 289, son.
    Did OptimistPrime get banned?
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    Did OptimistPrime get banned?
    Yup, and this is his third account since being banned again a week ago. Dude's on some wincel time.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Yup, and this is his third account since being banned again a week ago. Dude's on some wincel time.
    How'd he get banned? He seemed like a pretty reasonable poster who didn't really resort to insults or racist posts like a lot of the idiots here.
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    Originally Posted by StopitFocker View Post
    I really don't think the age or physical condition of the person should be a factor in considering what happened.

    He seemed to walk up to the cop fine. Seemed to moves his arms and legs around fine. Hardly seemed like a cripple or feeble old man.

    The fact is he had a fluke accident that happened to him (hitting his head) but he should not have put himself in that position to start with.

    Let me ask you this...would you, as a law abiding citizen, and I want an honest answer...walk up to a group of policemen or military who are engaged in a riot situation, stand a foot from him, and make hand and arm motions and reach for his baton/gun belt?

    I mean....does that seem like a rational thing to do? Would you feel safe doing that?

    Because I know I would not be withing 100 yards of that situation. But if you feel that is a sane, rational thing to, then by all means I would love to hear your reasoning.
    To answer your question, no I personally would not.

    Now, do you really think the police shouldn't factor in a person's age and physical strength when deciding how to physically deal with someone?

    And he didn't have an "accident". What happened to him was 100% a result of what the officers decided to do. It's on them, not him. They could have decided to deal with him differently and had a different outcome.
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    How'd he get banned? He seemed like a pretty reasonable poster who didn't really resort to insults or racist posts like a lot of the idiots here.
    He's gotten pegged before for racist nonsense. Maybe he'll share what he got nailed on this time.
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    Originally Posted by StopitFocker View Post
    I really don't think the age or physical condition of the person should be a factor in considering what happened.
    That seems like a really poor standard. And legally, at least for non-police it's not. It's often referred to as you "take the plaintiff (or victim) as you find them" - i.e., their physical condition, health, etc., is all a factor in what's appropriate.

    If this guy had been an NFL linebacker and the police acted with exactly the same force nobody should be complaining.
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    How'd he get banned? He seemed like a pretty reasonable poster who didn't really resort to insults or racist posts like a lot of the idiots here.
    The ironing...I see it..
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    Originally Posted by PlanoLifter View Post
    He was trying to give a helmet back to cops from what I've seen.
    He was? I've watched the video a few times and haven't seen that...
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    Originally Posted by Darkhare View Post
    In liberal world things cant be dropped.


    They are scanning for thousands of threats they cant just stop and analyze some idiot who walks up on em..

    Title is fake news. They tried to stop and help they were ordered forward by commander and he called in for emt.

    Maybe the idiot protestors shouldnt keep escalating when someone is down and hurt. Cops are trying to help but forced to hold the line.

    The idiots blaming these cops has broken my last bit of hope for society.

    All cops should stand down and let these lefties reap what they sow
    Yea, libs want to be able to grab a cops gun with their lipstick in their hand and not have any consequences.
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    To answer your question, no I personally would not.

    Now, do you really think the police shouldn't factor in a person's age and physical strength when deciding how to physically deal with someone?

    And he didn't have an "accident". What happened to him was 100% a result of what the officers decided to do. It's on them, not him. They could have decided to deal with him differently and had a different outcome.
    What if the old man is in the front lines with a hostile crowd, and the police start marching forward with their batons, yelling, "Move Back, Move Back!!!"
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    Originally Posted by miscinbro View Post
    That seems like a really poor standard. And legally, at least for non-police it's not. It's often referred to as you "take the plaintiff (or victim) as you find them" - i.e., their physical condition, health, etc., is all a factor in what's appropriate.

    If this guy had been an NFL linebacker and the police acted with exactly the same force nobody should be complaining.
    So if a 80 year old woman walks up to you with a strange looking device that could or could not be a bomb or weapon...with your life on the line in a riot situation like these police were facing?

    You would be fine with the idea of....(and remember you have to make a split second decision here) "this person is 80, grey hair, not ripped, not a minority....I will just let them fondle my police baton and my belt area".

    Is this what you are saying? You are willing to put your life, and the life of your fellow officers, on the line for that?
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    Again, this was a shove that I am positive most of us have all made in our lives. It is a shame he hit is head but it is the same as if a football player tackles a Qb like Theisman and the Qb hits awkwardly and breaks his shin bone. He didn't mean for that to happen. But it did.

    The ill intent was not there. The cop had to act in a split second decision for his and his fellow officers safety. Looking back could he have tried to restrain the guy instead of a push? Of course. Was it a one in a 1000 occurrence? Yes.

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    Originally Posted by StopitFocker View Post
    So if a 80 year old woman walks up to you with a strange looking device that could or could not be a bomb or weapon...with your life on the line in a riot situation like these police were facing?

    You would be fine with the idea of....(and remember you have to make a split second decision here) "this person is 80, grey hair, not ripped, not a minority....I will just let them fondle my police baton and my belt area".

    Is this what you are saying? You are willing to put your life, and the life of your fellow officers, on the line for that?
    You said his age shouldn't matter. I say his age, obvious health, etc., should matter.

    This bomb stuff is changing the scenario hugely. If he had a suicide vest on they and wouldn't stop walking towards them my opinion of what force they should have used would change - hugely. Old man on not.
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    Originally Posted by StopitFocker View Post
    Again, this was a shove that I am positive most of us have all made in our lives. It is a shame he hit is head but it is the same as if a football player tackles a Qb like Theisman and the Qb hits awkwardly and breaks his shin bone. He didn't mean for that to happen. But it did.
    The fact you're comparing a frail old man acting non-violently to men in their prime voluntary playing a very dangerous game says a lot about how confused you are here.
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    Originally Posted by miscinbro View Post
    The fact you're comparing a frail old man acting non-violently to men in their prime voluntary playing a very dangerous game says a lot about how confused you are here.
    That's Bumblebee for ya.
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    Cops did the right thing. You don't walk up to them like that and start putting your hands close to their weapons. Great job by the police here. Other observers day the guy was trying to start trouble. Great job.
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    Originally Posted by ghostfacedup View Post
    Other observers day the guy was trying to start trouble. Great job.
    Link?
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    Originally Posted by ghostfacedup View Post
    Cops did the right thing. You don't walk up to them like that and start putting your hands close to their weapons. Great job by the police here. Other observers day the guy was trying to start trouble. Great job.
    Lmao, Great job. They should be promoted right?
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    Originally Posted by N0rds View Post
    Bro, this guy was clearly staging an event for the cameras. Whether thats fake or real blood is up for debate, but he 100% caused this event on purpose. You don't storm directly up to a line of cops, you don't wave your hand next to a cops ****ing GUN, you don't then get gently pushed back, and put on a chitty display worse than most professional soccer injuries and play fall-down.


    He was there to get "assaulted" by the cops, with a "news" crew there to document, to push their narrative. Its staged AF.
    This article seems to support that theory, I think the guy really did hit his head and probably didn’t plan for that part though

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    Originally Posted by miscinbro View Post
    Link?
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    Guy was loose and looking to cause trouble. Great job by the police.

    Rip another lib narrative.
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    Originally Posted by StarFox View Post
    This article seems to support that theory, I think the guy really did hit his head and probably didn’t plan for that part though

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...-and-walk-out/
    Was checking to see if anyone had posted this and was going to if no one did.

    Everyone should be required to read this before commenting further.

    Commie sympathizers BTFO. Old piece of **** got less than he deserved, should've had worse done to him.
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