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    Socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Anything else and you’re an idiot.

    It's hilarious how in America both of our major parties gets one issue completely wrong.

    Abortions - that’s a personal choice between a woman, her partner, and her doctors. The fetus has a great impact on the woman’s health and wellbeing, so she should not be prohibited by the government in having it done. There are a lot of circumstances where they find it to be in their best interest to preserve their wellbeing and contraception isn’t 100% effective. Similarly, doctors can refuse if they do choose for whatever reason. There’s no need for the government to be involved here and disallow it. Respect the individuals’, couples’, and doctors’ choices.

    Gay Marriage - a big non-issue. Seriously, if gays want to marry and they’re happy that way, let them. Why the **** does it matter to everyone else? This doesn’t harm anyone. Expanding on that, for the greater LGBTQ community, similar sentiment. If someone wants to change their sex, let them if they can find a provider willing to facilitate the process. A lot of unnecessary fuss over this.

    Guns - Second Amendment and nothing more. First of all, there are already kids of guns out there, and any kind of outlawing of specific types of guns can merely be bypassed through a black market. Furthermore, citizenry should have as close to an unrestricted military capacity available to them so that they can protect themselves against a potentially tyrannical government if needed. Too much of a fuss is made about this as well. Shut up and let people keep their guns. For Democrats to sacrifice on this is a very small price to pay anyway compared to other issues, and they should be willing to because their proposed solutions are unhelpful and potentially dangerous even.

    Immigration - Personally, I don’t care and I’m for open borders mostly as it’s both helpful for the economic efficiency and allows people to escape horrible circumstances in other countries. However, I do understand Republicans’ sentiment here, and I don’t think it’s idiotic to be stricter for it. This one can go either way I think and not be dumb. This is actually an issue that I see as being more validly up for debate.

    Marijuana - another idiotic restriction. This is one of the most benign recreational drugs. Clearly there are some ulterior motives and general propaganda behind its criminalization. There’s no reason why, if tobacco is permitted, that this shouldn’t. And even if it’s bad, just like with other substance abuse, the answer isn’t criminalization. Their liberty must be protected so that they can seek an organization to rehabilitate rather. This is probably the most trivial and idiotic to have panties in a bunch over.

    Prostitution - this is just virtue-signaling morality. If people want to solicit sex services and there are willing providers, we should let them. This one is less idiotic than the others, but still a government overreach. Prohibiting such activity reeks of a many-state for no good reason.

    Economics - a big encompassing topic, but it’s clear that capitalism with relatively free markets is what’s going to lead to the most optimal quality of life and living standards on average for everyone. Socialism or social democratic setups may be more “fair”, but are much less efficient and lead to overall worse outcomes for everyone. There’s more inequality in free-market capitalism, but society overall is more prosperous, even much of the lower class. I don’t think there should be zero government involvement here, and it can certainly get involved in the cases of externalities and breaking up monopolies or supporting paths to access of privatized services. But there’s nothing wrong with wealth inequality inherently, especially because wealth can be created. It’s not as if there’s a finite amount of wealth and all the evil corporations are keeping it from you, like some people get butthurt about. Even so, who cares? Do you get mad about the jock that bangs a lot of hot women and demand he share some with you? Some people are just jealous. Others see free-market capitalism as exploitative or unfair, but don’t understand that it leads to far better living standards overall than the alternatives due to the high amount of economic efficiency. Too much government intervention slows down growth and reduces overall prosperity. Socialist and communist societies end up with comparatively poor lifestyles and also become submissive to the government, so everyone is worse off. Economic efficiency also means more efficiency with technological and scientific advancements. The “invisible hand” of the free markets are generally pretty good at optimizing distribution of resources and satisfying people’s subjective wants and needs.

    If Republicans would just shut up about gay marriage and LGBTA, abortions, weed, and prostitution and Democrats would shut up about guns and realize that the general structure of free-market capitalism (while not perfect) is overall the best for the average person’s quality of life and prosperity and not get so butthurt about corporate fatcats - so much needless bickering would be over. A lot of these “issues” that get fought over are just idiotically petty and based in emotion and nothing else, and make an attempt to somehow dictate how people want to live their life. Let people do what they want (as long as it doesn’t infringe on others’ rights), make a living however they want, and keep the government out of it.

    On the other hand, the government is not your Daddy and it’s not its job to help you survive. Private organizations and charities can do a more efficient job of helping people in need anyway than the government can. Democrats should adopt this view and understand that for a prosperous and high quality of life society full of liberty, this is the way. On the other hand, Republicans care way too much about what people do in their free time.

    It may seem that I’m a libertarian, and that is the case. I’m not a capital “L” libertarian, but “l”, as in I’m not dogmatic about libertarianism as an ideology, but as I said in the title, the basic premise of socially liberal and fiscally conservative is the only sensible one out there, and it amazes me that we have no political party that sees eye-to-eye on this. There’s still room for debate of course, but any other direction and combination (involving socially conservative or fiscally liberal) is ludicrous.

    It’s also dumb because Democrats get their panties in a bunch about how we’re just conservatives who “thinks gays should marry but the poor should get ****ed” and Republicans get their panties in a bunch about how we don’t want to dictate morality or start needless wars so we’re just “closet liberals” that don’t care about imposing the Judeo-Christian family structure on everyone. Both parties want government needlessly or adversely involved in people’s lives to where in a lot of cases it’s just stupid. I don’t understand how a party that recognizes this common stupidity between the two hasn’t come out on top yet. I’m not even saying a Libertarian per se, but like I said, just someone who leans socially liberal and fiscally conservative even.

    As for 2020, Trump as a dumbass and Biden isn’t great, but clearly the better alternative, even from a libertarian perspective, so I’m probably just going to hold my nose and vote for Biden.

    I think one major blunder of Biden and a lot of Democrats really is that they won’t drop the gun issue. Like I said, it’s a very small price to pay, and an issue that isn’t really beneficially solved by government anyway. A lot of Democrats are not much more fiscally liberal than their Republican counterparts anyway, if we are talking about the more moderate ones (not Sanders or Warren). I feel like if Democrats would just sacrifice on guns, they would win over a lot more independents and maybe even some moderate Republicans. It’s a relatively trivial problem that’s needlessly gumming up the works as far as their electability goes for little reason. Especially at the federal level.
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    Socially conservative and economically moderate is the only way to be.
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    Originally Posted by DDSF1 View Post
    Socially conservative and economically moderate is the only way to be.
    This. Cringed hard throughout OP’s post
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    Originally Posted by DDSF1 View Post
    Socially conservative and economically moderate is the only way to be.
    lol socially conservative wut?
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    I was socially liberal when that mean giving people rights. Right now it's about PC culture
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    OP is socially and fiscally, not to mention biologically, actually, intellectually a red phaggot, fukn lol at this wall of text
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    I was socially liberal when that mean giving people rights. Right now it's about PC culture
    Oh okay, that’s fair. Socially libertarian is probably more accurate. The whole PC culture and SJW stuff is dumb.
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    The exact opposite is the best way. Socially conservative and fiscally liberal.
    So...Venezuela?
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    Originally Posted by R3dA View Post
    It's hilarious how in America both of our major parties gets one issue completely wrong.

    Abortions - that’s a personal choice between a woman, her partner, and her doctors. The fetus has a great impact on the woman’s health and wellbeing, so she should not be prohibited by the government in having it done. There are a lot of circumstances where they find it to be in their best interest to preserve their wellbeing and contraception isn’t 100% effective. Similarly, doctors can refuse if they do choose for whatever reason. There’s no need for the government to be involved here and disallow it. Respect the individuals’, couples’, and doctors’ choices.

    Gay Marriage - a big non-issue. Seriously, if gays want to marry and they’re happy that way, let them. Why the **** does it matter to everyone else? This doesn’t harm anyone. Expanding on that, for the greater LGBTQ community, similar sentiment. If someone wants to change their sex, let them if they can find a provider willing to facilitate the process. A lot of unnecessary fuss over this.

    Guns - Second Amendment and nothing more. First of all, there are already kids of guns out there, and any kind of outlawing of specific types of guns can merely be bypassed through a black market. Furthermore, citizenry should have as close to an unrestricted military capacity available to them so that they can protect themselves against a potentially tyrannical government if needed. Too much of a fuss is made about this as well. Shut up and let people keep their guns. For Democrats to sacrifice on this is a very small price to pay anyway compared to other issues, and they should be willing to because their proposed solutions are unhelpful and potentially dangerous even.

    Immigration - Personally, I don’t care and I’m for open borders mostly as it’s both helpful for the economic efficiency and allows people to escape horrible circumstances in other countries. However, I do understand Republicans’ sentiment here, and I don’t think it’s idiotic to be stricter for it. This one can go either way I think and not be dumb. This is actually an issue that I see as being more validly up for debate.

    Marijuana - another idiotic restriction. This is one of the most benign recreational drugs. Clearly there are some ulterior motives and general propaganda behind its criminalization. There’s no reason why, if tobacco is permitted, that this shouldn’t. And even if it’s bad, just like with other substance abuse, the answer isn’t criminalization. Their liberty must be protected so that they can seek an organization to rehabilitate rather. This is probably the most trivial and idiotic to have panties in a bunch over.

    Prostitution - this is just virtue-signaling morality. If people want to solicit sex services and there are willing providers, we should let them. This one is less idiotic than the others, but still a government overreach. Prohibiting such activity reeks of a many-state for no good reason.

    Economics - a big encompassing topic, but it’s clear that capitalism with relatively free markets is what’s going to lead to the most optimal quality of life and living standards on average for everyone. Socialism or social democratic setups may be more “fair”, but are much less efficient and lead to overall worse outcomes for everyone. There’s more inequality in free-market capitalism, but society overall is more prosperous, even much of the lower class. I don’t think there should be zero government involvement here, and it can certainly get involved in the cases of externalities and breaking up monopolies or supporting paths to access of privatized services. But there’s nothing wrong with wealth inequality inherently, especially because wealth can be created. It’s not as if there’s a finite amount of wealth and all the evil corporations are keeping it from you, like some people get butthurt about. Even so, who cares? Do you get mad about the jock that bangs a lot of hot women and demand he share some with you? Some people are just jealous. Others see free-market capitalism as exploitative or unfair, but don’t understand that it leads to far better living standards overall than the alternatives due to the high amount of economic efficiency. Too much government intervention slows down growth and reduces overall prosperity. Socialist and communist societies end up with comparatively poor lifestyles and also become submissive to the government, so everyone is worse off. Economic efficiency also means more efficiency with technological and scientific advancements. The “invisible hand” of the free markets are generally pretty good at optimizing distribution of resources and satisfying people’s subjective wants and needs.

    If Republicans would just shut up about gay marriage and LGBTA, abortions, weed, and prostitution and Democrats would shut up about guns and realize that the general structure of free-market capitalism (while not perfect) is overall the best for the average person’s quality of life and prosperity and not get so butthurt about corporate fatcats - so much needless bickering would be over. A lot of these “issues” that get fought over are just idiotically petty and based in emotion and nothing else, and make an attempt to somehow dictate how people want to live their life. Let people do what they want (as long as it doesn’t infringe on others’ rights), make a living however they want, and keep the government out of it.

    On the other hand, the government is not your Daddy and it’s not its job to help you survive. Private organizations and charities can do a more efficient job of helping people in need anyway than the government can. Democrats should adopt this view and understand that for a prosperous and high quality of life society full of liberty, this is the way. On the other hand, Republicans care way too much about what people do in their free time.

    It may seem that I’m a libertarian, and that is the case. I’m not a capital “L” libertarian, but “l”, as in I’m not dogmatic about libertarianism as an ideology, but as I said in the title, the basic premise of socially liberal and fiscally conservative is the only sensible one out there, and it amazes me that we have no political party that sees eye-to-eye on this. There’s still room for debate of course, but any other direction and combination (involving socially conservative or fiscally liberal) is ludicrous.

    It’s also dumb because Democrats get their panties in a bunch about how we’re just conservatives who “thinks gays should marry but the poor should get ****ed” and Republicans get their panties in a bunch about how we don’t want to dictate morality or start needless wars so we’re just “closet liberals” that don’t care about imposing the Judeo-Christian family structure on everyone. Both parties want government needlessly or adversely involved in people’s lives to where in a lot of cases it’s just stupid. I don’t understand how a party that recognizes this common stupidity between the two hasn’t come out on top yet. I’m not even saying a Libertarian per se, but like I said, just someone who leans socially liberal and fiscally conservative even.

    As for 2020, Trump as a dumbass and Biden isn’t great, but clearly the better alternative, even from a libertarian perspective, so I’m probably just going to hold my nose and vote for Biden.

    I think one major blunder of Biden and a lot of Democrats really is that they won’t drop the gun issue. Like I said, it’s a very small price to pay, and an issue that isn’t really beneficially solved by government anyway. A lot of Democrats are not much more fiscally liberal than their Republican counterparts anyway, if we are talking about the more moderate ones (not Sanders or Warren). I feel like if Democrats would just sacrifice on guns, they would win over a lot more independents and maybe even some moderate Republicans. It’s a relatively trivial problem that’s needlessly gumming up the works as far as their electability goes for little reason. Especially at the federal level.
    The biggest problem with Biden is that he is nearly senile and struggles to put together more than 2 coherent sentences at a time. That's not who I want running the country. But, then again, Trump is definitely a hard pass, so who knows. I was hoping Amash would get in the race, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
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    the thing is its not so simple as just saying, "im a liberal" the liberal prerogative is to always and forever continue pushing further and further left into oblivion. the instant you think, "yea we're ok now" you become a conservative and the only way to try to stop the liberal push into oblivion is to keep moving farther right, so you become more and more conservative.

    I was raised to treat everyone with a common respect, and i always considered myself pretty liberal. I believed in straight ticket voting was moronic. my views haven't changed much, but the moment the whole chemical castration, child tranny chit started, i has had enough. democrats are the enemy of the country, straight R ticket for life boyos
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    TL;DR The socially liberal crowd are ruining Western civilization. It's a naive approach and as everyone can see, the slippery slope is real. Lefties don't care because they are literal cucks, and centrists don't care because they have no fight in them.

    It saddens me that people are so selfish and narrow minded and that they only think about their immediate future rather than the future of their grandchildren and society at large. Pathetic species is pathetic.
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    I agree with you for the most part, many Americans don't think like this. Are you American? If so i'm assuming the North like upper state new york.
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    I agree with you for the most part OP but imagine how much less slooty women(and men) would be if they actually had to bear the consequences of sleeping around. Imagine the overall outcome on society and how much less degenerate it would be from a social aspect. People would be more careful in choosing their partners and lead to better family environments.

    Just a random tidbit, not a right wing or left wing argument, just an argument for class and healthy family life
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    OP no one wants to read your manifesto. Here's some red, which is probably the same color of your bank account.
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    you're a bigot if you dont support munchausen's mothers cutting off their pre teen sons junk

    Did not read OPs post but skimmed thru and saw he was pro open borders while calling other people idiots. Interesting take
    I said that I personally don’t mind them open, but I understand why people want them closed and don’t think they’re idiots for that. The “idiots” label is more for people who want to ban weed, guns, and prostitution or want a Bernie economy.
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    Socially conservative and economically moderate is the only way to be.
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