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    We are witnessing the death throes of an ideology

    A particular ideology dominates American culture and power structure typically for about 60 years. The leftist ideology took hold in the late 50’s/ early 60’s, so 2016-2020 is right on cue.

    Everything that has happened since 2016, all of the lefts meltdowns in culture (cancel culture, MSM collapse. extreme sjw movies and games, #metoo, ect) along with its meltdowns in politics (obamagate, russian hoax. ukraine inpeachment hoax) were not because of Trump. He was simply the catalyst that allowed the leftist ideology to know that its time was up.

    This is what happens when a wolf corners a rat. the rat knows its fate is death so all it can do is scream and squirm in panic.

    This all comes back to the riots. notice the heavy involvement of antifa and liberal politicians and celebrities. this is the final stage and the goal is to cause as much destruction and chaos as possible on the way out. It is no accident this is all occurring in 2020.
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    once can only hope

    we just need to end this mental illness fast as possible
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    I can’t see how that’s possible though?
    With the irreversible changing demographics of the country and the majority of teens/young adults favouring more left leaning political views how can republicans/conservatives make a resurgence? Where is the new base going to come from?

    The support is there now,
    Will it be in 20 years?
    Will it be in 50 years?

    Leftist ideologies can swing in and out of populism but you can’t really dispute it’s going to be here for the long term whereas the other side may not be
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    It will never die, just swing back to centrism.

    Liberalism is what made America great.
    Liberalism is what will cause people to shift back to the centre.

    The vast majority of people dont hate cops.
    They dont hate ethnic people.
    They aren't pro life.
    They are now seeing seeing the benefits of guns.

    Thus, closer to the centre.
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    Where are they going to go? Imo they'll get just louder and more destructive.
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    this temper tantrum is having results though... white people all over the world showing support for BLM. What makes you think it won't just make it stronger?
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    Originally Posted by ScottTil View Post
    this temper tantrum is having results though... white people all over the world showing support for BLM. What makes you think it won't just make it stronger?
    White people were never against the killing of black people for no reason.

    Most of us are equally appalled by the destruction of cities.




    Real talk though, do you actually think anyone of any race is going to give up their position of advantage in life? I’m not talking race. I’m talking socioeconomic advantage.

    End of day, police will still need to stereotype low socioeconomic groups which is comprised disproportionately of blacks.

    BLM doesn’t change sh*t and everyone knows it. That’s why it’s easy to support. Ask someone to take a pay cut of 20k and redistribute it to a low wage black family and see how many sign up to support it then.

    Poor people will always be a higher threat to commit crime and police will always have a shorter leash with them because of that fact and wealthier people will never just hand over the advantage of being wealthier meaning all of this will continue because there’s no such thing as actually equality (and quite frankly it makes sense that there isn’t)
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    well everything is already ruined as well as our culture and people are more liberal than ever. They have the media. Tour is over brothers.
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    this ain't even nearly over.

    The youth are libtards and they're the next generation of adults. It only gets worse before it gets any better.
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    this ain't even nearly over.

    The youth are libtards and they're the next generation of adults. It only gets worse before it gets any better.
    Research shows people tend to flip as they get older.

    “The youth” has always been liberal

    I wouldn’t worry about it.
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    Originally Posted by SoutheastBeast1 View Post
    Research shows people tend to flip as they get older.

    “The youth” has always been liberal

    I wouldn’t worry about it.
    i think that's a myth. The quote goes "if you're not a liberal in your 20s you don't have a heart; if you're not conservative in your 40s you don't have a brain"

    From what i can see, most people are still libtards when they get older
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    I would absolutely love for that to be the case, but I think you're wrong on this OP.
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    Originally Posted by Jimmehhh View Post
    i think that's a myth. The quote goes "if you're not a liberal in your 20s you don't have a heart; if you're not conservative in your 40s you don't have a brain"

    From what i can see, most people are still libtards when they get older
    It's not a myth and it's largely self-serving. Younger people have less money starting out early in their careers so they're ok with the rich getting taxed more heavily. As people become more established in their career they make more plus they get married having joint income and start favoring lighter taxation on higher tax brackets.

    Now you could argue it's taking people longer and longer to become established in their careers, pushing the flip from liberal to conservative to later age, but it usually happens and is entirely self-serving when it does. It's not about "having a heart" vs. "having a brain". It's always been about what's in it for me.
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    Originally Posted by Jimmehhh View Post
    i think that's a myth. The quote goes "if you're not a liberal in your 20s you don't have a heart; if you're not conservative in your 40s you don't have a brain"

    From what i can see, most people are still libtards when they get older
    The reason this happened recently is because a lot of Milennials have lived in urban areas after starting a family as opposed to moving to the suburbs or rural areas. I would imagine this will reverse a bit after these most recent riots, especially with more people being able to work remotely.
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    Originally Posted by SoutheastBeast1 View Post
    It's not a myth and it's largely self-serving. Younger people have less money starting out early in their careers so they're ok with the rich getting taxed more heavily. As people become more established in their career they make more plus they get married having joint income and start favoring lighter taxation on higher tax brackets.

    Now you could argue it's taking people longer and longer to become established in their careers, pushing the flip from liberal to conservative to later age, but it usually happens and is entirely self-serving when it does. It's not about "having a heart" vs. "having a brain". It's always been about what's in it for me.
    i disagree.

    people who have sjw views in their 20s typically still have them in their 50s. Look at celebrities, they bitch about capitalism, yet use it to their advantage to make bank (the left are full of hypocrites). You may hate paying lots of income tax, but you still support mass immigration and feminist issues and vote democrat at every opportunity.

    it's not logical, it's indoctrination and cognitive dissonance from supporting things that are against your own best interest.

    if you're a libtard, and your parents were libtards and all your friends are libtards, you're not gonna change that with age.
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    We are in the Weimar Republic stage. Anyone with a history book knows what comes next
    hilter occupy's the rhineland next guys, except we dont have a hilter, rhineland, a ww1 armistace, a gigantic population of angry ww1 veterans, a scapegoat in a jewish gentry etc etc

    these were the necessary precursors to the militarization of germany

    most people right now simplify the complexities of social and political turmoil into easily digestible, overly simplistic aphorisms because they are lazy and ignorant

    "this is just like before world war 2" actually its not even remotely similar in any way shape or form
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    I've noticed the similarities myself. It is pretty worrying to say the least.
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    Originally Posted by JaxBrah View Post
    A particular ideology dominates American culture and power structure typically for about 60 years. The leftist ideology took hold in the late 50’s/ early 60’s, so 2016-2020 is right on cue.

    Everything that has happened since 2016, all of the lefts meltdowns in culture (cancel culture, MSM collapse. extreme sjw movies and games, #metoo, ect) along with its meltdowns in politics (obamagate, russian hoax. ukraine inpeachment hoax) were not because of Trump. He was simply the catalyst that allowed the leftist ideology to know that its time was up.

    This is what happens when a wolf corners a rat. the rat knows its fate is death so all it can do is scream and squirm in panic.

    This all comes back to the riots. notice the heavy involvement of antifa and liberal politicians and celebrities. this is the final stage and the goal is to cause as much destruction and chaos as possible on the way out. It is no accident this is all occurring in 2020.
    do we live in the same world? because with agreement with your thread title, the ideology that seems to be dying out is the old racist culture of the 50s. the boomers that were raised in segregation are getting old and dying off and with them their political power. the new generation of americans are far less "pure white" and embrace diversity and inclusion.

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    Originally Posted by hoganrulz View Post
    It will never die, just swing back to centrism.

    Liberalism is what made America great.
    Liberalism is what will cause people to shift back to the centre.

    The vast majority of people dont hate cops.
    They dont hate ethnic people.
    They aren't pro life.
    They are now seeing seeing the benefits of guns.

    Thus, closer to the centre.
    The pro life one is tricky. When people think its just a fetus and a cluster of cells, they arent pro-life. When its a full term, or near full term baby, they arent pro-choice. Late term abortions are disgusting and should be illegal.

    But everything else I agree with. Things arent as bad as the media would have you believe they are. I think we as a nation need to be united. United around a cause. Maybe thats exploring outer-space? Maybe thats confronting communist China the way we did the USSR? I do believe we are not as divided as we seem. We all, or most of us at least, want what is best for the country.

    Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    do we live in the same world? because with agreement with your thread title, the ideology that seems to be dying out is the old racist culture of the 50s. the boomers that were raised in segregation are getting old and dying off and with them their political power. the new generation of americans are far less "pure white" and embrace diversity and inclusion.

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    I dont get this constant blame game for the boomers. Yes, some terrible chit happened. But it was also the boomers that fought for civil rights and equality. I dont think its fair to say boomers are racist. You could argue that the generation before them was. But the boomers were the ones that changed the world. Show some respect.
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    Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    do we live in the same world? because with agreement with your thread title, the ideology that seems to be dying out is the old racist culture of the 50s. the boomers that were raised in segregation are getting old and dying off and with them their political power. the new generation of americans are far less "pure white" and embrace diversity and inclusion.
    So, you are equating white with racism as a default? Talk about ideology.

    Also, just because boomers were raised in segregation, it does not indicate that boomers are all racists or even near it. A lot of progress has been made since the 50s and 60s. Not perfect and this last incident does not represent all whites. It does represent that there are still some bad cops.

    Damn, you live in an imaginary self-righteous world.
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    Originally Posted by SebastianZay View Post
    I can’t see how that’s possible though?
    With the irreversible changing demographics of the country and the majority of teens/young adults favouring more left leaning political views how can republicans/conservatives make a resurgence? Where is the new base going to come from?
    Remember that many current conservatives/right leaning people were left leaning when they were younger. Its a pretty natural transition to start on the left when you are young and naive and then shift to the right as you get older and learn how the world really works.

    As far as demographics, that is definitely going to have an impact. However, the actual data is not being presented correctly. You can have a 50% increase in black or hispanic turnout (for instance) and it can be completely washed out with a simple 2% or 3% shift in how white people vote. The size of the demographics isn't even close. The second thing they fail to mention is the fact that many black and hispanic voters are piled up in highly concentrated areas that already vote blue, so an increase in those voters doesn't mean anything. More votes in NYC or LA doesn't really mean anything.
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    So, you are equating white with racism as a default? Talk about ideology.

    Also, just because boomers were raised in segregation, it does not indicate that boomers are all racists or even near it. A lot of progress has been made since the 50s and 60s. Not perfect and this last incident does not represent all whites. It does represent that there are still some bad cops.

    Damn, you live in an imaginary self-righteous world.
    there is more racism by whites against blacks than by blacks against whites. denial isn't just a river in egypt.

    Originally Posted by wesleysh21 View Post
    Remember that many current conservatives/right leaning people were left leaning when they were younger. Its a pretty natural transition to start on the left when you are young and naive and then shift to the right as you get older and learn how the world really works.
    it's less about ideology as it is about resistance to change. young people want the world to change to be better, old people feel the world is changing too fast and should slow down or "go back to the good old days".

    old people criticize the modern music today and talk about the good old days of the beatles and elvis, but 60 years ago the old people that were around then thought the beatles and elvis were over the top and talked about the good old days of wholesome music by benny goodman and glen miller.
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    The worst effects of the riots have and are happening in democrat States/cities. Look at New York. Even De Blasio is hated by Cuomo and De Blasio is holding the police back from doing their job to their fullest.

    New York is in trouble. Super-high taxes and running wealth away from the State, no leadership, the riots, as a result of the democratic led city are destroying brick and mortar businesses, the cost of living in New York is extreme, crime and violent crime have increased under De Blasio.

    New York City is a great city, but it is in trouble.

    I'm not picking on democrats. Just real and honest talk.
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    Originally Posted by wesleysh21 View Post
    Remember that many current conservatives/right leaning people were left leaning when they were younger. Its a pretty natural transition to start on the left when you are young and naive and then shift to the right as you get older and learn how the world really works.

    As far as demographics, that is definitely going to have an impact. However, the actual data is not being presented correctly. You can have a 50% increase in black or hispanic turnout (for instance) and it can be completely washed out with a simple 2% or 3% shift in how white people vote. The size of the demographics isn't even close. The second thing they fail to mention is the fact that many black and hispanic voters are piled up in highly concentrated areas that already vote blue, so an increase in those voters doesn't mean anything. More votes in NYC or LA doesn't really mean anything.
    This. Ive always been middle of the road. But I voted for Kerry in 2004 and Obama in 2008. I abstained from voting in 2012 because Obama and Romney were both chit. I voted for Trump in 2016. People dont want establishment candidates. Thats in part why democrat enthusiasm is so poor for Biden. Hes the old, forgetful male version of Hillary Clinton. If you arent liberal in your 20s, you dont have a heart. If you are conservative by your 40s, you dont have a brain.
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    Problem is we would normally cull the weak. But I don’t think we are allowed to do that anymore
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    Research shows people tend to flip as they get older.

    “The youth” has always been liberal

    I wouldn’t worry about it.
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    The problem you all just can't understand is that conservative <> Trump. I am way more conservative than I seem here but Trump is just a stain on this country that historians will spend decades discussing.

    But we as a society have been slowly getting more liberal over the decades. It's undeniable.
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