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    George Floyd Autopsy: Strangulation not Cause of Death.

    Not sure why it says “possible intoxicants”. That is what the autopsy is for. Do the chemicals tests. Also, marijuana doesn’t kill you.


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    Most likely scenario is a combination of drug use and preexisting medical conditions. Maybe his heart gave out. Being held down and cuffed likely was the straw that broke the camels back.


    Strange thing is, if the officer would have cuffed him, immediately put him in the back of a patrol unit, then he died of this same issue. It wouldn't even be a possible criminal issue. Officer fukked himself by kneeling on neck. And by remaining there so long. But the simple truth is if you can talk and say "I can't breath." You can breath.


    Not trying to justify the officer's actions. He was a moron for his knee placement. And for whatever reason he felt the need to continue to keep him restrained to the ground for so long. Shoulda cuffed him, stuffed him in a car and driven off. Remaining officer on scene could have gotten a statement from the clerk and collected the forged bill. Hindsight is always 20/20. But when there is a scene forming and people starting to stand around and video. You don't do what he did. He should have been smarter.
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    It still doesn’t change the fact that the man said he couldn’t breath for 5 mins, and even after he was passed out and no longer breathing the Chauvin kept his knee on his neck for another several minutes

    Also, doesn’t a strangulation autopsy just look at bruising/injuries around the neck?
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    Originally Posted by bov188 View Post
    It still doesn’t change the fact that the man said he couldn’t breath for 5 mins, and even after he was passed out and no longer breathing the Chauvin kept his knee on his neck for another several minutes

    Also, doesn’t a strangulation autopsy just look at bruising/injuries around the neck?
    Actually it changes things quite a bit. That's the point, simp.
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    Originally Posted by guest89 View Post
    Most likely scenario is a combination of drug use and preexisting medical conditions. Maybe his heart gave out. Being held down and cuffed likely was the straw that broke the camels back.


    Strange thing is, if the officer would have cuffed him, immediately put him in the back of a patrol unit, then he died of this same issue. It wouldn't even be a possible criminal issue. Officer fukked himself by kneeling on neck. And by remaining there so long. But the simple truth is if you can talk and say "I can't breath." You can breath.


    Not trying to justify the officer's actions. He was a moron for his knee placement. And for whatever reason he felt the need to continue to keep him restrained to the ground for so long. Shoulda cuffed him, stuffed him in a car and driven off. Remaining officer on scene could have gotten a statement from the clerk and collected the forged bill. Hindsight is always 20/20. But when there is a scene forming and people starting to stand around and video. You don't do what he did. He should have been smarter.
    Why do people keep repeating this... this is simply not true


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    Originally Posted by bov188 View Post
    It still doesn’t change the fact that the man said he couldn’t breath for 5 mins, and even after he was passed out and no longer breathing the Chauvin kept his knee on his neck for another several minutes

    Also, doesn’t a strangulation autopsy just look at bruising/injuries around the neck?
    Changes things drastically. You can't charge someone with third-degree murder if the cause of death wasn't a knee to the neck. Rather than people saying great, this guy wasn't murdered after all (assuming this report is truthful and accurate), this is just going to get even more and more fuked if they end up having to drop those charges and he gets a slap on the wrist for negligence, or some other lesser charge. He is still in their minds a murderer regardless of this report and there will only be more outrage when they don't treat as such.
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    Originally Posted by markkillerings View Post
    Actually it changes things quite a bit. That's the point, simp.
    Not really. It’s still excessive force, and Chauvin ignored other officers requests to roll him on to his side so that he could breath. And then he keeps his knee pressed on his neck for several minutes when he’s no longer responsive. Sounds like manslaughter to me ... simp
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    Why do people keep repeating this... this is simply not true

    releasing air (or words) is not the same as inhaling
    When you cut off someone's oxygen supply they go unconscious in under a minute. Generally anywhere from 15-40 seconds to go unconscious. And within 2 minutes after that they die.


    I'm not saying Floyd didn't get strangled. That's up to medical examiners to determine. However the fact that he had pressure on his neck for 9 minutes and the guy was talking/moving tends to indicate there were other factors. To be perfectly honest I had doubts that he died from being strangled from the beginning due to the knee positioning on the neck. But I'm no medical expert.



    If a second autopsy by a independent medical examiner also determines he did not die from asphyxiation, what then are you going to say? First one already determined he was not strangled.
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    Originally Posted by bov188 View Post
    Not really. It’s still excessive force, and Chauvin ignored other officers requests to roll him on to his side so that he could breath. And then he keeps his knee pressed on his neck for several minutes when he’s no longer responsive. Sounds like manslaughter to me ... simp
    You high? lol. There's an incredible difference between not actively helping someone who is short of breath, and physically killing someone by suffocation. It's in the ballpark of trying to charge a cop with murder for standing by and watching a guy OD or something. You can't do it. It's also hard to prove excessive force now. Excessive force = strangulation which apparently didn't happen. Now you just have 3 guys detaining someone who couldn't breath.

    And don't get me wrong, I think the guy's knee to the neck and their actions contributed to the guy's death, but it's what you can prove in court.
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    Cop still ****ed up tho. No reason not to let up on someone who is saying they can't breathe when he's on the ground cuffed and surrounded by multiple officers.
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    Not really. It’s still excessive force, and Chauvin ignored other officers requests to roll him on to his side so that he could breath. And then he keeps his knee pressed on his neck for several minutes when he’s no longer responsive. Sounds like manslaughter to me ... simp
    I've been saying the cops in this case has been negligent. But seeing something like this, you would have to be a full on retard to think this isn't going to be really beneficial for the defense. So keep simping if you don't think this changes anything.
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    He probably did have underlying conditions, but I imagine having some guy pressing their bodyweight into his neck for several minutes was the trigger for those conditions. So it comes down to whether or not it's reasonable to kneel on a hand-cuffed man's neck until they stop moving and then continue to press down for several minutes.
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    I've been saying the cops in this case has been negligent. But seeing something like this, you would have to be a full on retard to think this isn't going to be really beneficial for the defense. So keep simping if you don't think this changes anything.
    It is going to be beneficial to the defense. The cop was still grossly negligent either way
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    When you cut off someone's oxygen supply they go unconscious in under a minute. Generally anywhere from 15-40 seconds to go unconscious. And within 2 minutes after that they die.


    I'm not saying Floyd didn't get strangled. That's up to medical examiners to determine. However the fact that he had pressure on his neck for 9 minutes and the guy was talking/moving tends to indicate there were other factors. To be perfectly honest I had doubts that he died from being strangled from the beginning due to the knee positioning on the neck. But I'm no medical expert.



    If a second autopsy by a independent medical examiner also determines he did not die from asphyxiation, what then are you going to say? First one already determined he was not strangled.
    I'm calling out your "if you can talk, you can breath" false statement.

    He was unconscious and not moving and the officer kept on his neck for an additional 2 min 53 sec. They checked his pulse numerous times after that and there were none. Officer Lane wanted to turn him over on his side because he was worried about Excited Delirum but Officer Chauvin said no and kept pressure on his neck. He had no pulse when he was being put onto that stretcher and into the ambulance. I'm gonna wait till the cause of death, but the officers actions did have an effect on this mans death, that really shouldn't be an argument

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    Originally Posted by Mr Beer View Post
    He probably did have underlying conditions, but I imagine having some guy pressing their bodyweight into his neck for several minutes was the trigger for those conditions. So it comes down to whether or not it's reasonable to kneel on a hand-cuffed man's neck until they stop moving and then continue to press down for several minutes.
    Well of course it's unreasonable. I don't think anyone can argue that. The charges will be drastically different though if you don't have a murder case now.
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    Originally Posted by The_Zodiac View Post
    It is going to be beneficial to the defense. The cop was still grossly negligent either way
    I agree. But damn, the defense must be jumping for joy with this news.
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    Originally Posted by ko300zx View Post
    Changes things drastically. You can't charge someone with third-degree murder if the cause of death wasn't a knee to the neck. Rather than people saying great, this guy wasn't murdered after all (assuming this report is truthful and accurate), this is just going to get even more and more fuked if they end up having to drop those charges and he gets a slap on the wrist for negligence, or some other lesser charge. He is still in their minds a murderer regardless of this report and there will only be more outrage when they don't treat as such.
    Sounds like the MN statute is pretty broad. I would imagine that, if the knee on the neck wasn't THE direct cause of death, that kneeling on a restrained man's neck for almost 10 mins fits an "eminently dangerous act" that contributed to the death. You never know what a jury is going to do though.

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    The firdt one came from the state. I woukd not trust the findings of that one. The famiky is bringing on binden to do an independent one. This man ks famkus for doing autopys. Curious to see if his findings differ frlm the states
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    Originally Posted by taf1968 View Post
    Sounds like the MN statute is pretty broad. I would imagine that, if the knee on the neck wasn't THE direct cause of death, that kneeling on a restrained man's neck for almost 10 mins fits an "eminently dangerous act" that contributed to the death. You never know what a jury is going to do though.

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    "Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree," Minnesota statue says.
    I was actually just reading that and you're spot on. They might still be able to charge him with that based on the definition but it's certainly going to be a toss up when it goes to court.
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    Originally Posted by bov188 View Post
    It still doesn’t change the fact that the man said he couldn’t breath for 5 mins, and even after he was passed out and no longer breathing the Chauvin kept his knee on his neck for another several minutes

    Also, doesn’t a strangulation autopsy just look at bruising/injuries around the neck?
    This. And I usually side with cops.
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    Originally Posted by ko300zx View Post
    Well of course it's unreasonable. I don't think anyone can argue that. The charges will be drastically different though if you don't have a murder case now.
    Unless it wasn't not a major contributing factor, I don't see how this can possibly not be an act of manslaughter. And I don't see how that could be the conclusion of any autopsy under the circumstances. I mean if the guy had a completely unrelated heart attack, how would you even know?
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    Originally Posted by ko300zx View Post
    You high? lol. There's an incredible difference between not actively helping someone who is short of breath, and physically killing someone by suffocation. It's in the ballpark of trying to charge a cop with murder for standing by and watching a guy OD or something. You can't do it. It's also hard to prove excessive force now. Excessive force = strangulation which apparently didn't happen. Now you just have 3 guys detaining someone who couldn't breath.

    And don't get me wrong, I think the guy's knee to the neck and their actions contributed to the guy's death, but it's what you can prove in court.
    Chauvin was arrested and charged before the autopsy report was completed. It changes how the prosecution and the defense approach the case but it doesn’t change the fact that Chauvin displayed gross negligence and exercised poor judgement. LEO’s have a duty to preserve human life. They should be held to a higher standard than the average citizen because the nature of their job may require deadly force and they should use it with discretion

    They obviously had enough evidence to charge him without the autopsy, so it doesn’t mean he’s automatically innocent. His use of force was excessive and he showed malice by not doing anything to help him (Roll him on his side even tho others suggested it, and did not remove his knee from his neck)

    So therefor, like I said in my original statement, it changes nothing.
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    Originally Posted by taf1968 View Post
    Sounds like the MN statute is pretty broad. I would imagine that, if the knee on the neck wasn't THE direct cause of death, that kneeling on a restrained man's neck for almost 10 mins fits an "eminently dangerous act" that contributed to the death. You never know what a jury is going to do though.
    It's positional asphyxia that they're alleging in the complaint, not strangulation. Won't matter because asphyxia is routinely not detectable at autopsy.

    One of the other officers even warns him twice about needing to get Floyd off his stomach. He knew what he was doing.
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    Man so many retarded miscers lol.

    It’s as if everybody forgets the age old example of punching someone and they fall. When they hit the ground they get a brain hemmorage and die. That person is charged with manslaughter not assault.

    Dosent matter if the action is what made the person die, it matters if death happened because of said action.
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