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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    So Derek Chauvin had 18 complaints filed against him, two resulted in discipline. The other officers also had multiple complaints and even had a lawsuit filed against one.

    How many strikes do you think these officers would have had prior to George Floyd's murder?

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/us/mi...oyd/index.html
    Don't purposefully be an obtuse idiot. You know that complaints don't equal actual crimes. If you truly believed that, you'd be calling for RAPEYBiden's resignation. Those complaints must be investigated and if found to be accurate, then I think everyone would agree.

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    But 3 strikes and he wouldn't have been on the street that day
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    Three legitimate, credible reports filed against an officer and he's out of job.

    It was good enough to permanently lock up minorities, should it be good enough to get rid of bad cops?
    So you're saying that currently, cops can't be fired. Glad to know my job is secure regardless of my conduct.

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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    So Derek Chauvin had 18 complaints filed against him, two resulted in discipline. The other officers also had multiple complaints and even had a lawsuit filed against one.

    How many strikes do you think these officers would have had prior to George Floyd's murder?

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/us/mi...oyd/index.html
    Getting complaints filed against you comes with the job my man. It's a running joke with good LE that if you aren't having complaints/grievances/etc filed against you.. you're not doing your job. A complaint, intrinsically, doesn't really mean anything. Complaints are investigated, and then either taken forward or closed. My last complaint was from a traffic stop, it was nonsense, and my Sgt let me know the next week that I had one filed against me, they investigated, and it was cleared. It's that simple. I've been named in a couple lawsuits as well. It means nothing.

    The problem Pat, is that you don't live in this world and you are trying to read news articles to understand what cops do. It doesn't work like that. To someone outside of law enforcement they read an article about complaints against an officer and think "OMG the horror what a terrible officer!" Meanwhile to an officer it's not even noteworthy because of the fact that anyone can complain for anything, and it's logged and investigated.
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    Hell there should be a three strikes policy for everybody. 3 felonies or whatever and you get locked up and the key gets thrown away. None of this catch and release garbage that some cities love to do.
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    Originally Posted by sfgiants13 View Post
    Hell there should be a three strikes policy for everybody. 3 felonies or whatever and you get locked up and the key gets thrown away. None of this catch and release garbage that some cities love to do.
    The 3 strikes rule, when it was introduced, was racially motivated to basically take blacks off the street.. akin to the war on drugs. Pretty fukked up and did more harm than good if you look at the war on drugs especially. Much of our criminal code is set up to punish the poor and keep them down.
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    Originally Posted by rhadam View Post
    The 3 strikes rule, when it was introduced, was racially motivated to basically take blacks off the street.. akin to the war on drugs. Pretty fukked up and did more harm than good if you look at the war on drugs especially. Much of our criminal code is set up to punish the poor and keep them down.
    I’m not taking about drug crimes. There was a case of some dude with 75+ convictions with something like 15 assaults who keeps getting released. Those are the ones I’m talking about.
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    Originally Posted by sfgiants13 View Post
    I’m not taking about drug crimes. There was a case of some dude with 75+ convictions with something like 15 assaults who keeps getting released. Those are the ones I’m talking about.
    Just give them the lethal injection at that point jfc
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    If only there was a 3-strike policy on the R&P. Hell, Ari's had stretches where he would've been gone in a month.
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    Originally Posted by sfgiants13 View Post
    I’m not taking about drug crimes. There was a case of some dude with 75+ convictions with something like 15 assaults who keeps getting released. Those are the ones I’m talking about.
    There are always going to be outliers like that, and I don't believe we should judge every single person off the standard of the most violent or those with the most criminal convictions.
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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    If your camera is always on recording, won't that show that you did the right thing?
    Won't frivolous complaints get tossed?
    Actually it does. I've actually arrested people for false police reports and got a felony upgrade because of my bodycam, love these things. They're one of the greatest tools given to us.
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    Originally Posted by leoslayer1 View Post
    One strike only.

    If a cop commits a crime he does the same time as a regular person. None of this 13mths for manslaughter bullchit.
    Regular people get slaps on the wrist all the time. Where's your outrage?
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Regular people get slaps on the wrist all the time. Where's your outrage?
    A cop should be held to a higher standard.

    If I kick in someone's door and shoot them dead you can bet your ass I'm not getting a slap on the wrist.

    If I shoot someone dead with their hands up I'm not getting 14mts

    If I kick in the wrong door attack someone drag them on their porch and take them then shoot them when they try to defend themselves I'm not going to just get to decide if I want to retire or not.

    Cops are phucking tyrants plain and simple and their days of being above the law needs to end today.
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    Originally Posted by leoslayer1 View Post
    A cop should be held to a higher standard.

    If I kick in someone's door and shoot them dead you can bet your ass I'm not getting a slap on the wrist.

    If I shoot someone dead with their hands up I'm not getting 14mts

    If I kick in the wrong door attack someone drag them on their porch and take them then shoot them when they try to defend themselves I'm not going to just get to decide if I want to retire or not.

    Cops are phucking tyrants plain and simple and their days of being above the law needs to end today.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    A convicted felon can be arrested for having a loaded firearm on Friday, and be out on probation, come Monday morning.
    Keep walking that thin blue line.

    It just proves you are part of the problem and we (the citizens) are right.

    If you were a righteous cop you'd shoot a coworker on the spot if you witnessed him about to illegally take someone's life.
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    Originally Posted by leoslayer1 View Post
    Keep walking that thin blue line.

    It just proves you are part of the problem and we (the citizens) are right.

    If you were a righteous cop you'd shoot a coworker on the spot if you witnessed him about to illegally take someone's life.
    You're part of the problem when you judge a group of people by the actions of a few, as evidenced by your posts in this thread. You can't speak righteously when you are inherently prejudiced and ignorant.
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    If only there was a 3-strike policy on the R&P. Hell, Ari's had stretches where he would've been gone in a month.
    This actually brings up a good point.

    I've been banned in the past by a particularly icecold moderator, for 'racism' as I quoted a known racist (Tamorlane) to highlight how repulsive and awful her racist comments were.

    I won't publically argue if that is just or not but this does beg the question of people getting bullchit strikes they never deserve on their record, whether it's poor people who can't get a good lawyer or even here if it's some cop who ends up on the wrong side of the office or gets unlucky or something.

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    Originally Posted by rhadam View Post
    You're part of the problem when you judge a group of people by the actions of a few, as evidenced by your posts in this thread. You can't speak righteously when you are inherently prejudiced and ignorant.

    You ever hear of guilt by association?

    I'm sure you use guilt by association everyday at work.

    If you are present during police misconduct and you do nothing to stop it you are just as guilty.

    If you have 1 bad apple in your city and you don't run him off you are just as guilty as he is.
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    Originally Posted by LargePeter View Post
    But 3 strikes and he wouldn't have been on the street that day

    Why should we apply this to cops but not ask about repeat felons?
    Because cops are held to a much higher standard, there is/was supposed to be some honor in wearing the uniform.
    If you have listened to cops from other cities, they agree with me.
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