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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    I honestly don't get it. Everyone talks about backwards compatibility but how many people are spending their time playing games from old systems? I'd rather choke on diks than play PS3 or xbox360 games at this point. Not denying it;s an advantage if one system offers it and the other doesn't but I think people make way too big of a deal of it.
    People also complain about devs doing remasters all the time but they only do it because people buy it. BC done right is almost like a remaster with cranked res, fps, hdr, textures, aa, af, ect. I agree the thought of playing old games seems drab, but if we're utilizing the full capabilities of our new systems to enhance old games then I can get behind that.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    I honestly don't get it. Everyone talks about backwards compatibility but how many people are spending their time playing games from old systems? I'd rather choke on diks than play PS3 or xbox360 games at this point. Not denying it;s an advantage if one system offers it and the other doesn't but I think people make way too big of a deal of it.
    I'm literally playing Mass Effect right now on my Xbox One

    There are games you never got to during the previous gen that you would like to play

    If BC wasn't a thing, I wouldn't be able to play experience Mass Effect like I am right now

    How do you not get that?

    Originally Posted by Lord_Lemon View Post
    People also complain about devs doing remasters all the time but they only do it because people buy it. BC done right is almost like a remaster with cranked res, fps, hdr, textures, aa, af, ect. I agree the thought of playing old games seems drab, but if we're utilizing the full capabilities of our new systems to enhance old games then I can get behind that.
    And this, I actually have a backlog of Xbox One and PS4 games that I'm gonna get to, its awesome to know that the Series X will improve the performance on my entire Xbox backlog

    How is that not something that should be standard
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    I honestly don't get it. Everyone talks about backwards compatibility but how many people are spending their time playing games from old systems? I'd rather choke on diks than play PS3 or xbox360 games at this point. Not denying it;s an advantage if one system offers it and the other doesn't but I think people make way too big of a deal of it.
    I think stats show that people don’t play BC too often but it is pretty dope to have tbh. (For reference I have All 3 consoles and a $3000 pc now lol) but before I had PC I was just thinking one day I wanted to play Fable. Looked it up on Xbox and you can play Fable anniversary and the BC for that game upscaled to 4k resolution automatically which takes a bit of the sting away from playing on a big tv. Pretty awesome and convenient. Obviously with a new generation you want new and exciting things but I definitely think there is something to be said for having the library there at your fingertips
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    BC will be available in the form of streaming, PS now.... deal wid it


    Also when all you have are halos, gears and forzas, makes sense to make your console 100%BC, basically quadrupling your lacking library, enjoy master chef epic adventure from halo 3 once again.
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    Originally Posted by DASBUNKER View Post
    BC will be available in the form of streaming, PS now.... deal wid it
    So still unable to play previous generation game discs?

    Sounds like trash

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    Also when all you have are halos, gears and forzas, makes sense to make your console 100%BC, basically quadrupling your lacking library, enjoy master chef epic adventure from halo 3 once again.
    Exactly, BC is a great addition and feature to have. Being able to play those games + all the 3rd party games is great

    Disappointing Sony isn't following suit
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    Originally Posted by DASBUNKER View Post
    BC will be available in the form of streaming, PS now.... deal wid it
    Up your standards man. Just like you wouldn't hit on a woman with a peg leg and missing eye would you? Have a little more respect for yourself and demand more for your money.
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    Playstation 5? More like GAYstation 5, amirite?
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    Cope.

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    You can't kill Nintendo because the switch goes with fukking everything.
    You guys are the ones coping!!!

    Nintendo are for kids/family. Xbox already lost when they said they will have no exclusives/all their first party will go to PC.

    When next gen Ratchet and Clank gets released- final nail to the coffin of the competitors!

    That said, I will get on release, so I can play all games I like(exclusives or not) ahead. I am already struggling with finishing games so might as well have an early start or they will pile up again.
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    Originally Posted by Lord_Lemon View Post
    Sony took off their website anything about offering BC. LoL, I have a feeling the pendulum is going to swing hard af back to Xbox next gen.




    God that would be a massive blow to Sony. Xbox's smart delivery system is fantastic. .... But then again, they've always been ahead of the curve when it came to offering value in terms of other BC and other value features compared to Sony.



    Hopefully though we can get BC or a smart delivery system this time around because PS4 and PS5 share the same architecture.
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    I honestly don't get it. Everyone talks about backwards compatibility but how many people are spending their time playing games from old systems? I'd rather choke on diks than play PS3 or xbox360 games at this point. Not denying it;s an advantage if one system offers it and the other doesn't but I think people make way too big of a deal of it.

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    Didn't read. PC will always have the highest skill ceiling.
    Beat it nerd. The future is now. Ps5 is where the pros play
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    Originally Posted by jackamo2887 View Post
    Beat it nerd. The future is now. Ps5 is where the pros play
    Maybe if PS5 is the only gaming platform in existence. Mouse precision in aiming and multiple keyboard binds will always take more skill and be more impressive than current controllers, which makes it logical for the competitive scene to reside in PC fatherland. Only thing consoles win on is you can lay on your couch like a fatass and use even less effort to play the game.



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    I'm literally playing Mass Effect right now on my Xbox One

    There are games you never got to during the previous gen that you would like to play

    If BC wasn't a thing, I wouldn't be able to play experience Mass Effect like I am right now

    How do you not get that?
    I don't get it, it's that simple. Like a gay guy asking me why I don't want to suck diks. I have no interest in playing old games when I can't even get to all the current games I want to get to.
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    After buying a PS4 at launch and having that chit suck for years with nothing that captured my interest in the way of games there is no way I am buying into the hype this time around. The hype for new game consoles is just really stupid these days, I remember how the PS2 had some awesome launch games like SSX and even the PS3 managed to give me some decent games in it's early years, but games take so long to develop these days that it seems to be years before you can get anything really compelling.

    That and the new hardware isn't really impressive. The improvements to graphics over the years feels like someone shaping a sphere by taking edges off a cube, and we have been getting to the point where there isn't really any edges to take off anymore without it becoming completely round. All the latest graphics tech keeps getting hyped up but the results aren't exactly mind blowing to see in action, the improvements are far more subtle and more related to effects than anything else. Tech nerds will carry on for days about the value in all this chit but at the end of the day I am not seeing anything that amazes me.
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    Imagine if they announce a new spider man or God of war game. Hnnnnggggg
    Am I the only person who didn't really care for the Spiderman game? It was fun for a little while but it got so repetitive that I lost interest after a couple hours. I've also never been a big Spiderman fan in general as a character, so even the story line didn't hold my interest.
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    Originally Posted by kr1kit View Post
    Am I the only person who didn't really care for the Spiderman game? It was fun for a little while but it got so repetitive that I lost interest after a couple hours. I've also never been a big Spiderman fan in general as a character, so even the story line didn't hold my interest.
    Most of these Sony exclusives these days are way overhyped by the fanbase. I mean honestly, how many people can really get into a superhero game? Says a lot about the audience how they keep creaming their pants over this chit.
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    Am I the only person who didn't really care for the Spiderman game? It was fun for a little while but it got so repetitive that I lost interest after a couple hours. I've also never been a big Spiderman fan in general as a character, so even the story line didn't hold my interest.
    I bought a PS4 for Spiderman and it did not disappoint. The DLC was pretty lame though.
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    I bought a PS4 for Spiderman and it did not disappoint. The DLC was pretty lame though.
    Spiderman game was trash.
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    Fuuuuark brahs, it's time! I may have gone the entire gen without a new Splinter Cell, but thank phuck for a new Silent Hill. That's enough of a win for me. EDIT: Assuming the leaks are true, of course. I'm pretty convinced they are.

    Hopefully we get some Elden Ring gameplay too. On top of that, Bluepoint is set to reveal the re-imagining they've been working on (hopefully Demon Souls).

    All that on top of a Spider-man 2 announcement? Better than any E3.
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    Now that the cat's out of the bag how the PS5 falls behind on hardware specs, what I'm hoping to see is this incentivizing developers to look more towards lighting solutions in line with that Unreal 5 demo over true ray tracing that needs the higher raw power.

    For those curious as to how Unreal Engine 5 handles lighting, basically it was using screen space tracing, mesh distance, and then voxel tracing for its global illumination, but here is quote from an article covering it more in depth.

    Lumen uses a combination of techniques then: to cover bounce lighting from larger objects and surfaces, it does not trace triangles, but uses voxels instead, which are boxy representations of the scene's geometry. For medium-sized objects Lumen then traces against signed distance fields which are best described as another slightly simplified version of the scene geometry. And finally, the smallest details in the scene are traced in screen-space, much like the screen-space global illumination we saw demoed in Gears of War 5 on Xbox Series X. By utilising varying levels of detail for object size and utilising screen-space information for the most complex smaller detail, Lumen saves on GPU time when compared to hardware triangle ray tracing.
    Here's something called the Wicked Engine toggling the voxels to give an impression on what's going on:
    Spoiler!


    And here is CryEngine's write up and an example:
    Spoiler!


    As the above quote notes, methods like those used by Unreal Engine 5 requires less computation than triangle based raytracing, which would require something like ray tracing hardware (RTX or RDNA2). This fits the bill for the PS5, as we already know that is an area where it will fall short compared to the Xbox.

    How this benefits everyone is quite simple: If more developers seek out more efficient global illumination solutions like in the UE5 demo over pure hardware based ray tracing, that saves on resources that can instead be dedicated elsewhere in the game. Think about the UE5 demo for a moment; was it a perfect representation of how lighting bounces? Of course not. But was it good enough? Absolutely, and the reason the demo in its entirety was so detailed was because they did not focus all resources on achieving merely one aspect of the greater picture.

    While it is technically impressive that the Xbox can pull of ray tracing, does that really matter much if its implementation requires compensation elsewhere like Minecraft or any game that has to get by on the "artsy" card with limited complexity everywhere else?

    I'd prefer to see games leverage the increased hardware ceiling in ways that go beyond merely accurate ray bounces and better shadows because although illumination itself contributes greatly to how a game looks, the depth of accuracy has diminishing returns compared to other aspects like that Unreal 5 demo showcased.

    Originally Posted by MoeBettuh View Post
    I hope it isn't as stupid looking as the leaks would suggest.
    If they don't at least show what the box people are going to be buying looks like, it will just be a meme at this point, and hopefully the rumors that Sony was redesigning the PS5 in reaction to the Xbox's higher specs or early overheating aren't true, either.


    While I doubt that Sony was redesigning the PS5 at the last minute, here's the few bits that Cerny discussed that I found plain odd:

    "We don't use the actual temperature of the die, as that would cause two types of variance between PS5s," explains Mark Cerny. "One is variance caused by differences in ambient temperature; the console could be in a hotter or cooler location in the room. The other is variance caused by the individual custom chip in the console, some chips run hotter and some chips run cooler. So instead of using the temperature of the die, we use an algorithm in which the frequency depends on CPU and GPU activity information. That keeps behaviour between PS5s consistent."
    First, it is really kind of alien hearing about concerns over a console having variations between individual system, as designing to one set spec has always been the touted advantage to developing for consoles.

    Moving on from that slight observation is how - using his words here - the actual temperature is not taken into account, then combined with the idea of the chip supposedly running at constant "boost," which seems like a recipe for all kinds of trouble.

    Having gone through more Red Rings of Death than should be acceptable back in the 360 era, as in more than once if ever, I'm certainly more cautious over thermals. So, while Cerny claims that they have come up with some kind of cooling arrangement that sounds like they're trying to cheat Newton here, I can't help be a bit skeptical as to how this algorithm-based model will work out in the wild - especially with animals people, and the insane setup configurations bound to show up that will skew true temperatures, never minding the differences in environments.


    Originally Posted by DASBUNKER View Post
    BC will be available in the form of streaming, PS now.... deal wid it


    Also when all you have are halos, gears and forzas, makes sense to make your console 100%BC, basically quadrupling your lacking library, enjoy master chef epic adventure from halo 3 once again.
    To be fair, Gears died at 3, so until MS remasters the original trilogy, the Xbox library is SOL.

    Both Sony and Microsoft are just covering their asses when they say [x] number of games will be guaranteed backwards compatible.

    The largest hurdle with backwards compatibility for both systems has been that the PS2/Xbox 1, PS3/Xbox 360, and PS4/Xbox One all have insane differences in architecture between each generational leap, and only until now do we have the PS5 bridging the gap by also running on x86 for both platforms.

    It's still not just flipping a switch because of potential hardware-bound design decisions on some PS4 or Xbox games, but hopefully this is a sign that Sony and MS both removed their heads from their respective asses in that people don't want to hang onto even more boxes that are going to wind up competing for power outlets and collecting dust.

    The one area that we do know the Xbox will come out on top is the backwards compatibility they've been working for older games going all the way back to the 360 and OG Xbox, but at that point, who really does care?

    I'm saying this as someone who owned an OG Xbox and 360, but never a PS2: the vast majority of what I associate to the nostalgia of those eras was out on the Sony consoles.

    The Halo games are being remastered for those who want to experience the hard truth of their nostalgia failing them as their childhoods come crashing down all for themselves.

    No word of an attempt at doing an MCC for Gears of War - probably so as to not remind people of when the series was still good.

    And Forza is Forza; there's going to be a new one out every few years, so I can't imagine the demand for older titles even goes back far enough to really matter.

    The only game I would be personally interested in seeing getting a re-revival is the Rare Replay (Conker's Bad Fur Day), but apparently whatever shell of Rare that Microsoft owns is the black sheep doomed to the fate of maintaining some kiddie pirate live service game.

    Meanwhile, many of the third party games from those systems are seeing remasters of some sort; Saints Row the Third just launched with a remaster and Mafia I is slated for a remake as well.

    On top of that, you can still emulate a lot of the PS2 games at least, while possibly being able to eke out some better performance and optimization as well for the more popular titles.

    You're not wrong about PS Now, either, but Sony needs to step up their service quite a bit to compete with Microsoft's head start on Game Pass. Speaking for myself, though, there are far more PS exclusives I'd rather play than over Game Pass, and the latter is something available to me on the PC, no less.


    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    On paper. Real world...doubt it.
    If those specs on paper manage to translate into reality, then people can expect the price tags to reflect them as well.

    That's not to say that I have a problem with console prices going up, especially when enough people have shown a willingness to spend much more on smartphones as often as every year, just for diminishing returns on how fast they can load Twitter.

    However, technology has a cost, and AMD has been lagging behind Nvidia long enough to warrant some skepticism as to how far they can leap ahead without some rise in price.

    See this relevant, recent quote from Sony's President Jim Ryan:

    "I think the best way that we can address this is by providing the best possible value proposition that we can. I don't necessarily mean lowest price. Value is a combination of many things. In our area it means games, it means number of games, depth of games, breadth of games, quality of games, price of games... all of these things and how they avail themselves of the feature set of the platform."
    The PS4 and Xbone launched with hardware that was out of date before they hit shelves, and while the new generation won't obviously be the equivalent of a $1000+ GPU, they are going to be a substantial upgrade over their predecessors. There is only so much of a loss they can sold at, but the real battle will be how much of a loss either side is willing to go for in order to come out on top in the eyes of vying buyers, all the more so if they true prices are enough of a bump up.
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    Imagine actually thinking that Microsoft is anywhere close to Sony in terms of marketing. Sony shows a fuking controller and internet goes into overdrive, meanwhile xbox nerds go "but-but-but tErAfLOpS" as they cry themselves to sleep after that weak-ass presentation stuffed with mediocre at best looking games lmao
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    Originally Posted by tekkenbruh View Post
    Imagine actually thinking that Microsoft is anywhere close to Sony in terms of marketing. Sony shows a fuking controller and internet goes into overdrive, meanwhile xbox nerds go "but-but-but tErAfLOpS" as they cry themselves to sleep after that weak-ass presentation stuffed with mediocre at best looking games lmao
    What is gathered is how Sony has the hardcore nerds who seem to care way too much about their dumbass franchises and stupid chit while hating on everything else. Meanwhile everyone on Xbox and Switch only care about having fun.



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    Originally Posted by kr1kit View Post
    Am I the only person who didn't really care for the Spiderman game? It was fun for a little while but it got so repetitive that I lost interest after a couple hours. I've also never been a big Spiderman fan in general as a character, so even the story line didn't hold my interest.
    Looked so Boeing I didn't try it. Infamous with a Spiderman skin. Games like this make a good launch title to but don't hold up to larger libraries.
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    Originally Posted by JayJ350 View Post
    What is gathered is how Sony has the hardcore nerds who seem to care way too much about their dumbass franchises and stupid chit while hating on everything else. Meanwhile everyone on Xbox and Switch only care about having fun.

    [img]https://i1.wp.com/www.themindofgame.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/sony_fanboys.jpg?resize=450%2C360[img]

    [img]https://thumbs.gfycat.com/QuarrelsomeBetterDikkops-size_restricted.gif[img]
    If by fun you mean stroking cocks because Xbox has more raw power than PS as opposed to enjoying the superior games which in the end is what a console is about then yeah. I mean it's not really my idea of fun but you do you with your Forza.
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    Originally Posted by nkiritsis13 View Post
    If those specs on paper manage to translate into reality, then people can expect the price tags to reflect them as well.

    That's not to say that I have a problem with console prices going up, especially when enough people have shown a willingness to spend much more on smartphones as often as every year, just for diminishing returns on how fast they can load Twitter.

    However, technology has a cost, and AMD has been lagging behind Nvidia long enough to warrant some skepticism as to how far they can leap ahead without some rise in price.
    Both next gen consoles still have impressive hardware specs for being...consoles. I plan to buy a PS5. But I also know that neither console will be able to do what current PC's can. Just something you have to accept as a console player if you're playing for the exclusives.
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