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    Social Media (FB, Twitter, Reddit): Platform or Publisher?

    Which is it in your opinion? Are they a platform for public speech or are they a publisher with editorial influence/control?
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    A platform.

    The way a new person typically contributes to FB, Twitter or Reddit is as follows:

    -visits website that the targeted company is paying for (domain, hosting; expensive)
    -creates new account but MUST agree to the terms and conditions
    -if agreed, the new member is given free reign to post whatever they wish, but can and most likely will be moderated if rules are broken (ie. child abuse, murder, etc.)
    -the bolded is key for how it is a platform
    -a producer typically takes an already finished product and makes it available to the masses. People's random posts wouldn't qualify as a product that these companies are endorsing and making widely available.
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    A platform.
    Then how do you justify the heavy anti-conservative bias? AT&T doesn't cut my calls if I'm having a conversation with my Aunt about voting for a Republican.

    Or do you deny the bias?
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    reddit is completely curated and owned by china
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    well if they are a platform then phuck off with the fact checking chit
    but I agree more platform than a publisher
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    Originally Posted by trumpgavemoney View Post
    When conservatives have gone insane and decided to deny reality and peddle disinformation, the system can and should be biased against them. In fact, if we lived in a just and logical world, most of you would just be shot. Sorry, but it's the truth.
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    Originally Posted by trumpgavemoney View Post
    If they became publishers, you know they would just ban all these chitstirrers and any political discussion, right?

    They can be a platform and ban disinformation. Very simple.

    They are also capitalists - why the F would they do that?
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    IMO, a platform with ideological, politically-biased rules.
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    It’s both.
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    Are the bb.com forums a publisher because they delete posts/ban users that violate their terms of service?
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    Remember when the left was convinced that memes from a russian account swayed the election for trump?

    Stop russian meddling. Regulate social media.
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    Originally Posted by JUSA View Post
    Then how do you justify the heavy anti-conservative bias? AT&T doesn't cut my calls if I'm having a conversation with my Aunt about voting for a Republican.

    Or do you deny the bias?
    -AT&T don't typically monitor calls at all, social media companies are required to moderate illegal activity (or else they could be held responsible for what they host such as child abuse). Point being social media companies actively monitor what people are saying and telecom companies don't.

    -AT&T typically have little to no competition due to physical restraints of their network, there are hundreds of social media platforms but there's no exposure or money there

    -These Silicon Valley tech companies have always been hard-left and promote things like diversity, feminism, pride, equality, inclusion. What's changed is political atmosphere has become intensely divisive and social media has grown enormously in exposure and therefore needs for moderation.

    -There likely is a bias towards conservatives, but imo it's their private property and there are alternatives. If it was an essential service the gov decided to privatize and they were picking and choosing and the people had no alternatives i'd be for the little guy.
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    u mean taqiyya tecom the propagandist?
    no no, tecom is a patriot as well. You are thinking of wincel the propagandist
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    Originally Posted by BFast55 View Post
    Remember when the left was convinced that memes from a russian account swayed the election for trump?

    Stop russian meddling. Regulate social media.
    Yes and I will not be surprised if the MSM and China work together in their efforts to increase propaganda. China is already turning it up, more than Russia.
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    Originally Posted by trumpgavemoney View Post
    When conservatives have gone insane and decided to deny reality and peddle disinformation, the system can and should be biased against them. In fact, if we lived in a just and logical world, most of you would just be shot. Sorry, but it's the truth.
    Little guy, even if we got your Communist Utopia you're dreaming of, Use(less) Idiots like you would go to the 'Reeducation' camps long before I would. Once a waste like you used up your purpose of installing the new Communist regime, you'd be one of the first to end up on the chopping blocks. Useful members of society like me, people who work and provide, with families and without severe mental illness, if I kept my mouth shut and didn't get unlucky I might stick around for awhile.

    Maybe take your big nose out of a remedial math book and pick up a history book for once.
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    It's a scale.

    At one end, you have the wild west and at the other end you have the online edition of print news.

    It's all about the extent to which editorial control is exercised. Let us look at bb.com as an example:

    They cannot ban people on the basis of race, sexuality etc, as those are protected classes; but they can ban them for being fkwits, as long as the same fkwit threshold is used for all races, genders etc.

    For the sake of the argument, let us imagine that bb.com bans people who call others nazis, then bans people who criticise nazis and eventually only allows those promoting nazi ideals to post.

    At that point, bb.com would be a nazi website and should be treated as such.

    The general principle is that if you are exercising editorial control, you are approving of the content that you do not edit and the narrower that unedited content becomes (i.e. the more editorial control you are exercising), the more of a publisher you are.

    If they remove content that they are required to by law, that is different to removing content that they don't agree with. The first is mandatory, the second is editorial control.
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    Originally Posted by JUSA View Post
    Then how do you justify the heavy anti-conservative bias? AT&T doesn't cut my calls if I'm having a conversation with my Aunt about voting for a Republican.

    Or do you deny the bias?
    That AT&T chooses not to doesn't mean they wouldn't/couldn't if given the capability to do so. USPS started as soon as they had the technology, and like them AT&T is fully in bed with government and will do whatever they're told.
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    They are also capitalists - why the F would they do that?
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