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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Going full potato ITT.
    If you dont like it, become President and change it.
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    Originally Posted by jimmyjabbar View Post
    perhaps. But Twitter may feel they have a responsibility to not allow complete falsehoods to spread on their platform, especially from the POTUS. I'm actually not sure whats right or wrong here when it comes to Twitters actions. Trump is still a tard for trying to go to war with them cause they fact checked him, lmao.
    Yeah, definitely can see the principle behind it. It's their execution that worries me. it starts on twitter, then goes elsewhere, and things get even more muddy.

    People have to not think Trump, they have to think after Trump. So what happens when there is a different president, with different beliefs, policy, and agenda, then let's say Twitter (or any other social media company) gets bought out/moved and the bias shifts to the other side of the aisle? I bet you would have the same groups of people now on anti-trump train, or those saying "get your own platform" (which has literally been stated by some on this forum) suddenly not ok with it and questioning "facts."

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    If you dont like it, become President and change it.
    Or actually discuss the issues at hand or in the thread, and not just sit there and poke or make comments like a child. Thread after thread after thread.
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    Originally Posted by twovalvekid View Post
    Yeah, definitely can see the principle behind it. It's their execution that worries me. it starts on twitter, then goes elsewhere, and things get even more muddy.

    People have to not think Trump, they have to think after Trump. So what happens when there is a different president, with different beliefs, policy, and agenda, then let's say Twitter (or any other social media company) gets bought out/moved and the bias shifts to the other side of the aisle? I bet you would have the same groups of people now on anti-trump train, or those saying "get your own platform" (which has literally been stated by some on this forum) suddenly not ok with it and questioning "facts."



    Or actually discuss the issues at hand or in the thread, and not just sit there and poke or make comments like a child. Thread after thread after thread.
    if you look at the comment above mine youd see the threads already lost
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    Originally Posted by twovalvekid View Post

    Or actually discuss the issues at hand or in the thread, and not just sit there and poke or make comments like a child. Thread after thread after thread.
    I do. You just don't like getting eviscerated, so you call it poking and childish. That's all you do, son - ad hominem attacks.
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    Originally Posted by BuckNakedinBama View Post
    Sure it is.

    If you say the sky is blue, but I want people to think it is green, I can "fact check" you and say you're wrong.
    I suspect you don't really know what you're talking about, but I haven't bothered to fact check it yet.
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    Originally Posted by BuckNakedinBama View Post
    If a "fact-checker" has an agenda, or a bias, if there is something controversial they disagree with they'll label it as untrue, but if there is something they agree with they'll label it true. That's the threat. They need to decide whether they're a platform or a content producer.

    I work in product liability law. In most states there is a middleman/distributor defense. If they buy a product from a manufacturer, resell it, then someone gets hurt, they can't be held liable UNLESS they modify the product first. These platforms are modifying speech before it reaches the end user. That should remove their liability shield.
    Fact checking is not modifying speech. And fact checking is not simply saying something is wrong because you don't agree with it. You keep leaving out that little step that involves...


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    Originally Posted by BuckNakedinBama View Post
    If twitter says the sky is green, does that make it a fact?
    I dunno, have you checked it?
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    Originally Posted by ElrondHubbard View Post
    Fact checking is not modifying speech. And fact checking is not simply saying something is wrong because you don't agree with it. You keep leaving out that little step that involves...


    Checking.
    Youre missing the point he and others are trying to make. Youre assuming, in this case, Twitter's intentions are "pure," per say, and they wont be misrepresenting anything or trying to push a narrative.

    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    I do. You just don't like getting eviscerated, so you call it poking and childish. That's all you do, son - ad hominem attacks.
    Interesting perspective considering your posts ITT alone. Considering this is your very first post ITT that isnt a meme.

    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Order does exactly zero. Just something for the cult to suck on. Enjoy!
    But go ahead and keep crying about getting attacked. When you start posting without snide remarks, pot shots against trump, and actually start discussing you actual opinion, i bet you get a generally overall better experience and dont get "eviscerated."
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    Originally Posted by twovalvekid View Post

    But go ahead and keep crying about getting attacked.
    Lol, do you really want to go through this whole thing again?
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Lol, do you really want to go through this whole thing again?
    Typical response. The other person is an idiot or the meanie.

    Nice job keeping it up.
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    Originally Posted by BadMonkeyFunker View Post
    and he was found guilty extorting a foreign government for political gain. The only reason he's still in power is becasue he finally replaced all the "enemies" with his own people. Just like a dictatorship.

    90% of the GOP hate the guy but cant say a word against him. From mitch to graham to cruz - just look what hey were saying before trump was a thing. He's running the government like a thug, mobster. asking for loyalty.

    Now this was his first term. Give him another one and see how far he goes..

    yeah no thanks!
    ehhh even if he wins will probs lose senate and have zero power. he's a dictator about as much as obama was the antichrist.
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    Originally Posted by twovalvekid View Post
    Typical response. The other person is an idiot or the meanie.

    Nice job keeping it up.
    I said no such thing; I asked if you wanted to go around the whole "who insults whom the most" nonsense like we did 2 weeks ago.
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    Originally Posted by ElrondHubbard View Post
    Fact checking is not modifying speech. And fact checking is not simply saying something is wrong because you don't agree with it. You keep leaving out that little step that involves...


    Checking.
    and youre assuming that the fact checkers are unbiased and their information is accurate. remember when there were caravans of immigrants rushing the boarder and trump said there was a crisis at the border? and then the "fact" checkers came out of the woodwork and labeled his claim as false? they literally fact checked his opinion with their own opinion.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    I said no such thing; I asked if you wanted to go around the whole "who insults whom the most" nonsense like we did 2 weeks ago.
    You are...literally speaking...correct. Youre fantastic at the passive aggressive post that you play literally like the above. What does "who insults the most" have to do with it?

    In this thread with your second post (first after nothing but a meme), youre start balls deep with cultists. Then continue tossing out jabs, pokes, Trump/cultist responses, and condescending passive aggressive BS. Yet here you are complaining about getting picked on and thats why you do it. Then the above "i know you are but what im I?" type response with the above dink measuring "lets go through who insults the most" post.

    For references, here are your posts just from the first page.

    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
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    Order does exactly zero. Just something for the cult to suck on. Enjoy!
    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Sorry, son, but an EO isn't able to dismantle the 14th Amendment. This does absolutely nothing.
    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Better than being a retard posting, son.
    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Yeah, and which law would that be?
    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    You put forth a compelling argument, but I'm not quite convinced yet, son. BTW, it's its, not it's. Learn English, son.
    Like i said, maybe you reap what you sow.
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    Originally Posted by twovalvekid View Post
    What does "who insults the most" have to do with it?

    In this thread with your second post (first after nothing but a meme), youre start balls deep with cultists. Then continue tossing out jabs, pokes, Trump/cultist responses, and condescending passive aggressive BS. Yet here you are complaining about getting picked on and thats why you do it, then here we are with this "i know you are but what im I?" type response with "well others do it more than me."

    For references, here are your posts just from the first page.













    Like i said, maybe you reap what you sow, gramps.
    Srs, what are you crying about, that I posted a meme? Sorry, son, but cry to someone who cares.
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    Originally Posted by Eatforgains View Post
    It's really well written.

    Essentially the gist of it is..

    Currently sites like Twitter are protected by a law that prevents them from being liable in the event one of there users says something defaming or illegal.

    The thing about this is that law was designed for platforms and not content creators.

    Once they pick and choose what to show and not show based on there opinions, they go from platform to editorial (content creator)

    By doing so they give up there right to be protected against defamation lawsuits.

    So essentially if twitter wants to keep censoring people they disagree with they will lose all shielding from litigation.
    If removing content that violates a tos makes them responsible for what users say we will have an internet of all cat videos. Is that what you want?
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    Originally Posted by miscinbro View Post
    Yea, that’s fcking retarded.
    Solid way to start a discussion. That should definitely prompt some good discourse and conversation that results in people sharing perspectives and not diverging into the abyss. Should definitely not stir up more hate and discontent than we already have. Bravo.

    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Srs, what are you crying about, that I posted a meme? Sorry, son, but cry to someone who cares.
    Oh look. More deflection.
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    Originally Posted by twovalvekid View Post



    Oh look. More deflection.
    Deflecting from what? The order is toothless and will go nowhere. Now you know.
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    Originally Posted by twovalvekid View Post
    Solid way to start a discussion. That should definitely prompt some good discourse and conversation that results in people sharing perspectives and not diverging into the abyss. Should definitely not stir up more hate and discontent than we already have. Bravo.
    Trump’s idea here is retarded. Hell even some trumpers think it’s just a scheme cause he couldn’t possibly actually mean it. And please, don’t act like the r/p is a place where people are on their best behavior. I get called scum every day I post here.

    But I noticed how you completely ignored the content of my post. Fine I’ll edit out the language you find offensive. Care to respond now?
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Deflecting from what? The order is toothless and will go nowhere. Now you know.
    Lol.

    Originally Posted by miscinbro View Post
    Trump’s idea here is retarded. Hell even some trumpers think it’s just a scheme cause he couldn’t possibly actually mean it. And please, don’t act like the r/p is a place where people are on their best behavior. I get called scum every day I post here.
    So more "b-b-b-but look what other people do."

    Got it.
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    Originally Posted by twovalvekid View Post
    Lol.

    And that's about the retort I expected. Good job, son. Wake me up when the EO goes anywhere.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    And that's about the retort I expected.
    Really is funny at this point.

    Originally Posted by twovalvekid View Post
    Typical response. The other person is an idiot or the meanie.

    Nice job keeping it up.
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    Originally Posted by twovalvekid View Post
    So more "b-b-b-but look what other people do."

    Got it.
    I removed the language you claim was offensive to you and you’re still going on about it.

    ... almost like you don’t actually want to discuss the content and just want to e-fight ...

    ...

    I might be on to something.
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    Originally Posted by miscinbro View Post
    I removed the language you claim was offensive to you and you’re still going on about it.

    ... almost like you don’t actually want to discuss the content and just want to e-fight ...

    ...

    I might be on to something.
    Good. Nice job editing, interesting how you now bring it up after getting called out and the resulting conversation.

    Oh chit, you got me. It's all im here to do is fight with people. Well crap.
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    Originally Posted by twovalvekid View Post
    Good. Nice job editing, interesting how you now bring it up after getting called out and the resulting conversation.

    Oh chit, you got me. It's all im here to do is fight with people. Well crap.
    I said I was editing it. Now, want to address anything else I posted other than mean words that apparently hurt your feelings?
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    Originally Posted by miscinbro View Post
    I said I was editing it. Now, want to address anything else I posted other than mean words that apparently hurt your feelings?
    Excellent. Try harder next time. You seem to not be able to make a post that doesnt include, such as our friend above, passive aggressive BS.

    And absolutely, let's unpack your post. Now that you've edited to take out everything trump related it now says this to the OP:

    Originally Posted by miscinbro View Post
    If removing content that violates a tos makes them responsible for what users say we will have an internet of all cat videos. Is that what you want?
    I'd ask what your opinion is on the matter? Without any TDS/GOP/Cultist dribble.

    What you posted was just a statement, and an obvious poke at OP. Ironic what it becomes when you take out the TDS nonsense.
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    Originally Posted by twovalvekid View Post
    Excellent. Try harder next time. You seem to not be able to make a post that doesnt include, such as our friend above, passive aggressive BS.

    And absolutely, let's unpack your post. Now that you've edited to take out everything trump related it now says this to the OP:



    I'd ask what your opinion is on the matter? Without any TDS/GOP/Cultist dribble.

    What you posted was just a statement, and an obvious poke at OP. Ironic what it becomes when you take out the TDS nonsense.
    Ok, if websites become liable for the content of posts from users because they exercise some control over what they host nobody will ever risk anything remotely controversial. The entire internet will become cat videos. The discussion in the r/p sure as sht wouldn’t happen. Bb.com would be a fool not to just delete it and the misc.
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    Originally Posted by miscinbro View Post
    Ok, if websites become liable for the content of posts from users because they exercise some control over what they host nobody will ever risk anything remotely controversial. The entire internet will become cat videos. The discussion in the r/p sure as sht wouldn’t happen. Bb.com would be a fool not to just delete it and the misc.
    So youre ok with a publicly traded company, such as Twitter, being able to decide what's fact or fiction? Especially when a significant amount of people will use it as justification for their actions or beliefs?

    I understand that it's more at Trump's reaction to what they did, but more looking at the issue that reared it's ugly head. Both entities are walking a fine line i think we as a society just need to back away from.
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    Originally Posted by miscinbro View Post
    Ok, if websites become liable for the content of posts from users because they exercise some control over what they host nobody will ever risk anything remotely controversial. The entire internet will become cat videos. The discussion in the r/p sure as sht wouldn’t happen. Bb.com would be a fool not to just delete it and the misc.

    Lmao at this post


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    Originally Posted by twovalvekid View Post
    So youre ok with a publicly traded company, such as Twitter, being able to decide what's fact or fiction? Especially when a significant amount of people will use it as justification for their actions or beliefs?.
    They aren’t deciding anything. In the case of making links to fact check trump (and let’s be honest he does lie alllllll the time) they could be liable for that in the sense that they are effectively making a statement.

    However in the US libel is really, really, hard to prove (first amendment) - and we call this free speech.

    So yes, I am ok with that.
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