I don't have a complete opinion about this yet, but there is something to be said about regulation of media and news...even news opinion.
It didn't take long for mass media, radio...to result in a humongous disaster and genocide in Rhwanda, which was a nice place and years later...is a nice place again.
Completely an aside, they kept hunting for the perpetrators and recently got one of them...hiding in France I believe. Yup, France
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/16/85739...for-war-crimes
That happened because in part...media brainwashing people.
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Border security
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Bring troops home
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Getting rid of individual mandate of Obamacare
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Funding of black colleges
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05-28-2020, 09:33 AM #191
The US is done.
Trump is literally doing exactly what the Establishment wants.
Obama gave them the PRISM program, and now Trump is (allegedly) going to create legislation to formerly put social media companies in partnership with the state, regarding what they can and can't allow on their platform regarding political views. And some Trump supporters seem to think this action is 'anti-estblishment', seemingly because Trump is doing it.
This legislation will not disappear with Trump's presidency, just every other act increasing Corporate and state collusion, and acts increasing the abilities of surveillance communities.
You guys are supporting the creation of the technological surveillance state, whilst thinking that you are fighting the establishment. You've been duped.
Expect more and more of this kind of legislation to come out over the next few years, under various pretexts. Disguisng what the Agenda is... To create a technological surveillance state, for commerical and political ends.If You Don't Like To Talk About Your Feelings, This Might Help...
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05-28-2020, 09:36 AM #192
That did get fact checked
I. Summary of Major Findings
https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/g...-on-collusion/
The redacted Mueller Report documents a series of activities that show strong evidence of collusion. Or, more precisely, it provides significant evidence that Trump Campaign associates coordinated with, cooperated with, encouraged, or gave support to the Russia/WikiLeaks election interference activities. The Report documents the following actions (each of which is analyzed in detail in Part II):
1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.
2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.
3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.
4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.
5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance Deripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.
6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.
7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.
8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.
9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.
10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.
11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.
12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.
13. During the presidential transition, Jared Kushner and Eric Prince engaged in secret back channel communications with Russian agents. (1) Kushner suggested to the Russian Ambassador that they use a secure communication line from within the Russian Embassy to speak with Russian Generals; and (2) Prince and Kushner’s friend Rick Gerson conducted secret back channel meetings with a Putin agent to develop a plan for U.S.-Russian relations.
14. During the presidential transition, in coordination with other members of the Transition Team, Michael Flynn spoke with the Russian Ambassador to prevent a tit for tat Russian response to the Obama administration’s imposition of sanctions for election interference; the Russians agreed not to retaliate saying they wanted a good relationship with the incoming administration.
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As many experts have noted, what’s missing from the Mueller Report is the Special Counsel’s counterintelligence findings. We don’t know what the Special Counsel’s Office or the FBI have assessed, for example, with respect to whether Trump associates engaged in reciprocal efforts with Russian agents without entering a criminal agreement to do so, whether Americans have been witting or unwitting Russian assets, and what leverage or influence Moscow may have over particular individuals.EX IGNORANTIA AD SAPIENTIAM
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It’s not right what you are saying, you are losing your way, be careful, you sound dictatorial. There are voices that warn of deadly impact of a prolonged lockdown, this doesn’t mean they disagree with science or any of that, it just means people look at it differently. We know that deaths from lockdown now outnumber deaths from COVID.
I would never ban you or Fauci on my platform if I had one, I would disagree and present other view points of other experts, censoring is going down the wrong path.
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05-28-2020, 09:40 AM #194
Their approach, is to ban any discussion that disagrees with the WHO. Even from Doctors examining the evidence, and studies.
JPMorgan recently came out with a study, stating that the lockdown does not have a significant impact on infection rates, and is severely damaging to the economy. Which is exactly what those Doctors who got banned were arguing.
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Here is more on the executive order:
https://www.protocol.com/donald-trum...xecutive-order
As written, one section of the order would require the National Telecommunications and Information Administration, a small agency within the Department of Commerce, to file a petition asking the FCC to review Section 230, tech's prized liability shield. The section heavily implies that online platforms could be considered publishers of content under certain circumstances — and therefore could be held directly responsible for the content they host
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As expected, this EO has no teeth at all. It merely orders the FCC to review social media company practices vs stated policies and reopens that dumb White House form where you can complain that you were censored.
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/a...mpression=true
This article also slips in that section 230 protections for companies are already under fire because of "hate speech" while neglecting to mention that so-called "hate speech" is not illegal, once again prepping the public for the day when it is declared so.
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He's going to make these social media platforms choose what they want: being responsible for everything that is said or being responsible for none of it.
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05-28-2020, 12:26 PM #202
In a roundabout way, this is exactly what some people want. The ability to crush opposing media, first amendment be damned.
Anybody supporting Trump on this better pepper your angus come the day Rs lose it all. And they will. And when your communist dystopian nightmare becomes reality, you will forget Trump's role, because you'll have moved on to be underground CT tards oblivious to the real life removal of freedoms. Fukking idiots.Virtue is its own reward.
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05-28-2020, 12:29 PM #203
So much this ^ ! Holy $hit the cucks would defend taking away or regulated free speech just because he does not like the way the platform is treating his lies. Why can’t trump simply do what ALLLLLLL other POTUS’s did before Twitter and social media and just hold regular PRESS CONFERENCES?!!!? Why does social media even need to be involved in this?? How about stop relying on your social media popularity, put on your big boys pants & run the fukcing country out of your office like every freaking POTUS has been doing before this?!? For Christ sakes we are in the middle of a pandemic and our country needs leadership but team MAGA is still on “let’s own the libs” time. Wtf?!?!
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I am reading everywhere big donors and companies are done with him. huge move towards biden.
90% of the products you use everyday are made in china. Companies are done with his constant fight with china.
either put incentives to make people move back or STFU!
there wont be another tax cut for the rich. Useful idiot no more useful
authoritarian moves. more regulations, forcing companies to do what he wants using the power of the government. Nothing scares business more than that.
he aint getting elected without cheating.
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05-28-2020, 12:43 PM #207
User votes was just an option for a kind of self moderation by the community vs. moderation by Twitter.
Just read a little about Section 230 which it seems began as a way for social media platforms to moderate offensive material (mostly pornography).
Prior to that a company was sued as a publisher:
Stratton Oakmont, a brokerage firm, sued Prodigy Services, an internet service provider, for defamation in the 1990s. Stratton was founded by Jordan Belfort, who was convicted of securities fraud and was portrayed by Leonardo DiCaprio in the Martin Scorsese film about financial excess. An anonymous user wrote on Prodigy’s online message board that the brokerage had engaged in criminal and fraudulent acts.
The New York Supreme Court ruled that Prodigy was “a publisher” and therefore liable because it had exercised editorial control by moderating some posts and establishing guidelines for impermissible content. If Prodigy had not done any moderation, it might have been granted free speech protections afforded to some distributors of content, like bookstores and newsstands.
The ruling caught the attention of a pair of congressmen, Ron Wyden, a Democrat from Oregon, and Christopher Cox, a Republican from California. They were worried the decision would act as a disincentive for websites to take steps to block pornography and other obscene content.
The Section 230 amendment was folded into the Communications Decency Act, an attempt to regulate indecent material on the internet, without much opposition or debate. A year after it was passed, the Supreme Court declared that the indecency provisions were a violation of First Amendment rights. But it left Section 230 in place.
Since it became law, the courts have repeatedly sided with internet companies, invoking a broad interpretation of immunity.
The first blow came in 2018 with the signing of a law that creates an exception in Section 230 for websites that knowingly assist, facilitate or support sex trafficking. Critics of the new law said it opened the door to create other exceptions and would ultimately render Section 230 meaningless.
Some Republicans have argued that tech companies should no longer enjoy the protections because they have censored conservatives and thereby violated the spirit of the law, which states that the internet should be “a forum for a true diversity of political discourse.”
On the flip side, some Democrats have argued that small and large internet sites aren’t serious about taking down problematic content or tackling harassment because they are shielded by Section 230.
So the Republicans claim anti-conservative bias and the Democrats want the sites to be more PC.
And there are some actual victims in the mix:
There is also a concern that the law’s immunity is too sweeping. Websites trading in revenge pornography, hate speech or personal information to harass people online receive the same immunity as sites like Wikipedia.
“It gives immunity to people who do not earn it and are not worthy of it,” said Danielle Keats Citron, a law professor at Boston University who has written extensively about the statute.
To the rest of it?
Decency standards are perfectly reasonable and expected for any platform that is supported by advertising.
A reasonable responsibility to monitor for and moderate/report criminal content should be standard with regard to for profit platforms which engage paid staff and profit from advertising. (IOW held to a higher standard than a non-monetized open platform supported by member contributions and volunteers).
Policing content (censorship) beyond decency/legality should be at the behest/under the control of federal or state government if such policing is found necessary in special circumstances like foreign propaganda campaigns, public health crises, or national emergencies and it should be done openly with public announcements.
Seems to me that beyond that the social media platforms would be either infringing free speech or making themselves potentially liable as publishers.
There are too many what ifs re: possible outcomes for these companies to claim they are not liable for any damages.
What if HCQ did turn out to be a great treatment for COVID-19 when dispensed early in the course of illness and the big social media platforms censored out content supporting the use of the drug due to poorly done studies, media pressure, or political bias?
Would a court find that a class action suit filed by people claiming to have been unaware of the drug or to have refused the drug (because they claim social media is their main source of news and information) have standing to file suit for damages based on not getting that medication and suffering a bad medical outcome?
Platforms either need to take their fat finger off the scales or go all in and open themselves to the hit in court. Alternately the government could step in as a shield in particular situations as proposed above.Last edited by katya422; 05-28-2020 at 12:50 PM.
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PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS HE IS DIRECTING ATTORNEY GENERAL TO COOPERATE WITH STATES TO ENFORCE THEIR OWN LAWS AGAINST WHAT HE TERMS THE DECEPTIVE BUSINESS PRACTICES OF SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES
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Sorry to fact check you, but you dun goofed. Maybe you should be banned from the misc for misinformation?
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FTC will prohibit social media platforms from engaging in deceptive acts that interfere with commerce
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EO will prohibit taxpayer support for social media companies.
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