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    Originally Posted by dhawkeye1980 View Post
    Its not the people voting by mail thats the fraud, its the democrats that are altering ballots, having homeless forge the signature and the millions of the lost absentee ballots that are the problem cupcake
    If that's the case, then why would they make their ballots susceptible to fraud? Just take the L on this one, son.
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    Originally Posted by FatBallz View Post
    The idea of mail in voting would be accepted by more people if there was more confidence in oversight. Right now, it's basically "trust us, nothing's going to happen" when it comes to voter fraud.

    Democrats talk about how "sacred" our elections are. I think there are some people in this country who think Russia actively hacked the election in 2016. Look at all the problems we have with voter confidence among the people who think Trump stole the election. We have a problem if people are afraid their mail in ballot will be thrown away by a bad actor or that their vote will be cancelled out if a fraudulent vote is cast.
    Yep and the states said NO to oversight/audits so...
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    Originally Posted by GordonXXX View Post
    agreed. and require a valid ID.
    Yep should require something you should have to apply for a unique absentee voter ID and it's recorded with the vote. If the same ID is used twice it triggers a federal investigation.
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    America is the greatest country in the world, right? Why can’t we make mail in voting happen in a secure way?
    If you have to ask this question then I don't know what to say about the current state of the left.
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    why are we stopping at mail in voting? Why not just do online?
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    Originally Posted by deepfat View Post
    If you have to ask this question then I don't know what to say about the current state of the left.
    You think the polls are any more secure? Lmao. You CT's are a funny bunch. Even your boy Trump votes by mail. If he's so worried about his ballot being tampered with, why does he do that?
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    Originally Posted by deepfat View Post
    if you have to ask this question then i don't know what to say about the current state of the left.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    You think the polls are any more secure? Lmao. You CT's are a funny bunch. Even your boy Trump votes by mail. If he's so worried about his ballot being tampered with, why does he do that?
    I think voting by mail is fine, personally. I gladly do it here in California. Beats waiting in yet another long Cali line.
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    Originally Posted by BadMonkeyFunker View Post
    trump admin sent stimulus checks to dead people and foreigners, DACA recipients. Why no cry about that ?
    mistakes happen, small scale fraud happens but anything so big that it'll move the elections ... NONE.. NOWHERE EVER FOUND!

    1,285 Proven instances of voter fraud
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    You are just outlining why mass, unrequested, mail-in balloting is a bad idea. No, dead people shouldnt be getting stimulus checks. Why would I be for that? But those are the same dead people that would receive a ballot. And just LOL if you dont think political operatives would use and abuse that. That goes for either party.

    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    Do you seriously fuking think Dems are chomping at the bit to fill out dead people's ballots? And Dems aren't trying to keep dead people on the rolls, they're fighting fuking Reps tryng to purge minorities of the rolls and get turned away when they show to vote (sometimes waiting hours and hours in line).
    Judicial watch has sued several states to clean up their voter rolls. Every-time a state attempts remove people from their voter rolls, democrat backed groups sue to keep voter rolls from being purged. States by law are supposed to clean up their voter rolls and keep them current. While I am against early and late voting, I understand that not everyone can vote on election day. Thats why we have early and late ballots. These ballots are requested by the voter instead of just sent out en-mass to everyone on the voter rolls. And no, republicans arent trying to purge living minorities from voter rolls. That is a left wing conspiracy. But people that have moved to a different state, and people that have died, remain on voter rolls. There have also been cases where illegal aliens have made their way onto voter rolls. We dont need to make it easier to commit voter fraud. And in a lot of these cases, that is directly what is happening. You are dumbing the system down to the point where you will see great potential for more fraud.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    You think the polls are any more secure? Lmao. You CT's are a funny bunch. Even your boy Trump votes by mail. If he's so worried about his ballot being tampered with, why does he do that?
    Always gets me when the same people that don't want voter security measures to be put in place also talk about how insecure they are.
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    rules for thee but not me. wow, shes a great fit for DC. no wonder democrats hate her, its like looking in the mirror.
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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    Always gets me when the same people that don't want voter security measures to be put in place also talk about how insecure they are.
    I said I didn't want voter security measures to be put in place? News to me. Anywhoo, why does Trump vote by mail when he says mail-in votes get tampered with?
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    Good find OP!!!

    Trump is fortunate to have a member on his team that has real life experience multiple times using mail in ballots, so they would realize better than many others just how easy it can be manipulated- as well as how flawed and unsafe it may be.

    Voting accurately is very crucial for the long term betterment of this nation, we are lucky with someone with this amount of hands on experience with the flaws helping guide us to better policy.


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    "Postal worker accused of attempted mail-in voter fraud in favor of Republicans"



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9534016.html
    It's nice to see bipartisan agreement on here for once a system is flawed and we must not use it.

    Originally Posted by GreatOldOne View Post
    How do we know she was the one who filled out the ballots? Just imagine if everyone does this...we're never going to know who voted!
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    Did Karen commit voter fraud 11 times? Or is this one of those “good for me but not for thee” kinds of situations? I’m sure rational arguments will be made.

    https://www.tampabay.com/florida-pol...s-in-10-years/
    You're allowed to vote by mail if you meet certain criteria.


    However, being afraid to leave your house because of a virus does not meet the criteria.
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    Originally Posted by chaunce54 View Post
    You're allowed to vote by mail if you meet certain criteria.


    However, being afraid to leave your house because of a virus does not meet the criteria.
    Srs? Pretty sure anyone can vote by mail for any reason.
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    Did Karen commit voter fraud 11 times? Or is this one of those “good for me but not for thee” kinds of situations? I’m sure rational arguments will be made.

    https://www.tampabay.com/florida-pol...s-in-10-years/
    So what you're saying is that voting by mail has been an option for 10+ years already. Thanks for confirming, guess we don't need national-level legislation about it.
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    Originally Posted by gachase21 View Post
    It's nice to see bipartisan agreement on here for once a system is flawed and we must not use it.
    If you bothered to read the article you'd see it's not flawed. A republican tried to commit voter fraud and was caught by the system. Proving that it's not just the Dems (as Trump claims) and that the system works.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Srs? Pretty sure anyone can vote by mail for any reason.

    Absentee Voting or Voting by Mail
    Absentee voting allows you to vote by mail. Though every state has absentee voting, rules on who can take part vary.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    I said I didn't want voter security measures to be put in place? News to me. Anywhoo, why does Trump vote by mail when he says mail-in votes get tampered with?
    IIRC you're against voter ID. If I'm mistaken I apologize.
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    Judicial watch has sued several states to clean up their voter rolls. Every-time a state attempts remove people from their voter rolls, democrat backed groups sue to keep voter rolls from being purged. States by law are supposed to clean up their voter rolls and keep them current. While I am against early and late voting, I understand that not everyone can vote on election day. Thats why we have early and late ballots. These ballots are requested by the voter instead of just sent out en-mass to everyone on the voter rolls. And no, republicans arent trying to purge living minorities from voter rolls. That is a left wing conspiracy. But people that have moved to a different state, and people that have died, remain on voter rolls. There have also been cases where illegal aliens have made their way onto voter rolls. We dont need to make it easier to commit voter fraud. And in a lot of these cases, that is directly what is happening. You are dumbing the system down to the point where you will see great potential for more fraud.
    I have zero problem with purging dead people from voter rolls. Where I have a problem is when Republicans like Brian Kemp in Georgia try to purge tens of thousands of minorities from the rolls because they didn't vote in the last election. And before you try to claim he didn't, he did. It's a fact.

    Trumpers keep screaming about fraud but it has NEVER been shown to be on the scale you're claiming.
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    I have zero problem with purging dead people from voter rolls. Where I have a problem is when Republicans like Brian Kemp in Georgia try to purge tens of thousands of minorities from the rolls because they didn't vote in the last election. And before you try to claim he didn't, he did. It's a fact.

    Trumpers keep screaming about fraud but it has NEVER been shown to be on the scale you're claiming.
    I have not heard of this. And obviously if Brian Kemp did attempt to purge legit voters from the rolls I Would be against that. Do you have a source for that?
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    I have not heard of this. And obviously if Brian Kemp did attempt to purge legit voters from the rolls I Would be against that. Do you have a source for that?
    I actually posted a link earlier ITT but here's another. Btw, I didn't bother posting a link to the Washington Post or the New York Times because of their paywall.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ion-brian-kemp
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    I have not heard of this. And obviously if Brian Kemp did attempt to purge legit voters from the rolls I Would be against that. Do you have a source for that?
    It’s incredible what happens when the Secretary of State overseeing an election is the candidate for governor. I know Stacy Abrams name is a hot button issue here but that election was shady as ****.
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    I actually posted a link earlier ITT but here's another. Btw, I didn't bother posting a link to the Washington Post or the New York Times because of their paywall.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ion-brian-kemp
    That article paints a very different picture than the guy just purged them from the rolls.

    Under Georgia procedures, registered voters who have not cast ballots for three years are sent a notice asking them to confirm they still live at their address. If they don’t return it, they are marked inactive. If they don’t vote for two more general elections after that, they are removed from the rolls.

    Georgia removed more than 534,000 voters that way in 2016 and 2017. Using databases employed by commercial mailing firms, analysts commissioned by Palast’s group found that 334,134 of those citizens actually still live at the address they registered.

    Of the rest, 41,797 had in fact moved out of state, and 8,990 moved from one county to another within Georgia. More than 19,000 had died. Others could not be determined.
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    If that's the case, then why would they make their ballots susceptible to fraud? Just take the L on this one, son.
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    That article paints a very different picture than the guy just purged them from the rolls.
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    Under Georgia procedures, registered voters who have not cast ballots for three years are sent a notice asking them to confirm they still live at their address. If they don’t return it, they are marked inactive. If they don’t vote for two more general elections after that, they are removed from the rolls.
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