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    Jon Jones on the killing of George Floyd

    UFC superstar Jon Jones is FURIOUS over the killing of George Floyd -- saying the police officer used a move called a "blood choke" ... and it's worse than torture.

    "Anyone who has practiced the very basics of jujitsu recognizes a [blood choke] when they see this," Jones said.

    "That was as clear as day murder, torture."

    FYI, a blood choke is a stranglehold in which key arteries and jugular veins are constricted, cutting off blood flow to the brain ... as opposed to an air choke, which restricts breathing.

    Jones -- who's been a top mixed martial artist for decades -- didn't stop there.

    "That whole if you can talk you can breathe crap is bullsh*t. What that man went through was worse than drowning."

    "I wouldn't wish the way George Floyd was murdered on my worst enemy. That officer applied just enough pressure to keep him alive for almost six minutes in that chokehold."

    "In all my years of fighting I can honestly say I’ve never experienced anything close to that level of torture."

    "There needs to be a nationwide policy change. When a man is in handcuffs and is screaming that he cannot breathe. Get the f*ck off his chest and/or neck. If you can't hold a man who is in handcuffs down by his feet you’re a p*ssy and probably shouldn’t be wearing that badge."

    George Floyd was killed on May 25 when 4 police officers resounded to a "forgery in progress" call in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

    During the incident, one of the officers put his knee on Floyd's neck for 8 MINUTES, despite his pleas that he couldn't breathe.

    The 4 officers involved in the incident have since been fired.
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    This event is the reason for BLM. Unfortunately the movement got taken over by extremists and the message got skewed. A separate view from the other side of the street showed there were 3 officers holding him down. No reason for this at all.
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    Saw the vid, horrible and was blood boiling to watch, I can’t beleive they needed to do such a thing, but they did.

    Other tourtorous things done by police is taking a rough ride cuffed in the back of an oven wiped down with chemicals.

    Had a co worker not show up from work one day, he got thrown into central booking and they never processed him, he spent almost a week in there all for climbing a fence at a festival, a white boy too. No matter if ya black or white, they out for blood tonight.
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    Originally Posted by Iceman1800 View Post
    This event is the reason for BLM. Unfortunately the movement got taken over by extremists and the message got skewed. A separate view from the other side of the street showed there were 3 officers holding him down. No reason for this at all.
    Agreed on all aspects, the cops tend to get overzealous and there is zero reason it takes 3-4 of them holding anyone down. This man was murdered plain and simple and I hope to hell those cops go to prison as a result.
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    Great find "pockets" i had never heard of a blood choke.

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    Typically, you want the police department to mimic the demographics of the area they cover.

    The info is from 2014 but it shows that MPD is 79% white while the city is 64% white. They may be more inline as of 2020 as they were working to correct this.
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    Originally Posted by Iceman1800 View Post
    This event is the reason for BLM. Unfortunately the movement got taken over by extremists and the message got skewed. A separate view from the other side of the street showed there were 3 officers holding him down. No reason for this at all.
    This assumes there was a racial element to it as opposed to cops just being sh!tbags.
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    Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus View Post
    This assumes there was a racial element to it as opposed to cops just being sh!tbags.
    A lot of shi!tbags tend to be racists as well.
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    Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus View Post
    This assumes there was a racial element to it as opposed to cops just being sh!tbags.

    ^^^^^ I know that so many will attribute this to 'racism'....but why? Do you really think the cop acted like this because the guy was black. Or is the cop just a piece of crap and gets off on asserting his power.
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    Originally Posted by induced_drag View Post
    ^^^^^ I know that so many will attribute this to 'racism'....but why? Do you really think the cop acted like this because the guy was black. Or is the cop just a piece of crap and gets off on asserting his power.

    The race stuff is BS, they don’t do this stuff because of skin color. Much of this chit is also due to the whole brotherhood mentality as well, watch my back, I watch yours, then there is the whole “pack” mentality, lots of psychology here.
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    Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    The race stuff is BS, they don’t do this stuff because of skin color. Much of this chit is also due to the whole brotherhood mentality as well, watch my back, I watch yours, then there is the whole “pack” mentality, lots of psychology here.
    I largely agree with this, tribalism in closed social groups probably leads to more violence and injustice than any other single cause. However, that same tribalism is what engenders racism.

    It's always about "us vs them", and "Us" is going to be in the right no matter what we do.

    Tribalism is the aspect of humanity I dislike the most, and the one we need to work the hardest to overcome. It's great if you're a hunter-gatherer in the wilderness living in a small group, it has no place in a large, interdependent civilization.
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    Originally Posted by ElrondHubbard View Post
    I largely agree with this, tribalism in closed social groups probably leads to more violence and injustice than any other single cause. However, that same tribalism is what engenders racism.

    It's always about "us vs them", and "Us" is going to be in the right no matter what we do.

    Tribalism is the aspect of humanity I dislike the most, and the one we need to work the hardest to overcome. It's great if you're a hunter-gatherer in the wilderness living in a small group, it has no place in a large, interdependent civilization.

    El, just to clarify, I do believe some individual cops may have race problems, and it's not just a white cop. I don't believe they got out looking for a certain race to target.

    It was a bad way to take someone into custody, they aren't the guy on the ground who can't breathe, basically they didn't know the hell they are doing and the stupidity is contagious, sounds like tribalism too?
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    It's "racist" because enough (loud) people only see skin color and racism in everything they look at, whether there's actually any basis for it or not.

    It simply doesn't matter what supposed intent we project onto the situation, it is what it is...just get on with the 3rd degree murder trial already

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    Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    El, just to clarify, I do believe some individual cops may have race problems, and it's not just a white cop. I don't believe they got out looking for a certain race to target.

    It was a bad way to take someone into custody, they aren't the guy on the ground who can't breathe, basically they didn't know the hell they are doing and the stupidity is contagious, sounds like tribalism too?
    Yeah, tribalism is an efficient conductor of stupidity. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when in a group of "buddies" that I would have known better than to do had I been thinking for myself. Learned a few hard lessons along the way.

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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    It's "racist" because enough (loud) people only see skin color and racism in everything they look at, whether there's actually any basis for it or not.

    It simply doesn't matter what supposed intent we project onto the situation, it is what it is...]
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    Farley, remember “who is they”? From yesterday.
    I do.

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    I train BJJ w/ a lot of current cops. It's amazing how unprepared they are to handle someone physically coming out of the academy and even years after on the job. One of my closest training partners has been a LEO for 10 years and comments how little he actually knew prior to training jitz. I always wonder why LEO's aren't required "continuing education" for situations like this. Sad situation and totally avoidable.
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    Originally Posted by Jtbny View Post
    I train BJJ w/ a lot of current cops. It's amazing how unprepared they are to handle someone physically coming out of the academy and even years after on the job. One of my closest training partners has been a LEO for 10 years and comments how little he actually knew prior to training jitz. I always wonder why LEO's aren't required "continuing education" for situations like this. Sad situation and totally avoidable.
    Part of it is simply how many things people would like cops to get advanced training on. It ends up being a ton of stuff we expect them to be really good at. You know the saying about jack of all trades
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    Originally Posted by Jtbny View Post
    I train BJJ w/ a lot of current cops. It's amazing how unprepared they are to handle someone physically coming out of the academy and even years after on the job. One of my closest training partners has been a LEO for 10 years and comments how little he actually knew prior to training jitz. I always wonder why LEO's aren't required "continuing education" for situations like this. Sad situation and totally avoidable.

    Perhaps cops in training should get choke holds applied to them, that way they know how it feels for just one second?

    As someone who has felt a choke hold applied with full force, the body natural reacts and there is no control over that, a stupid cop will take that reaction as resistance, which, it is, it is resisting the fact you are literally dying.
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    ...and this is a bit deeper than some choke hold, they could've (or maybe did) break his neck. Is there evidence on the cause of death yet?
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    Originally Posted by Jtbny View Post
    I train BJJ w/ a lot of current cops. It's amazing how unprepared they are to handle someone physically coming out of the academy and even years after on the job. One of my closest training partners has been a LEO for 10 years and comments how little he actually knew prior to training jitz. I always wonder why LEO's aren't required "continuing education" for situations like this. Sad situation and totally avoidable.
    I would push more for police training and procedures that emphasize deescalation and non-violence in all but the most severe circumstance. We could also stop obsessing over victimless crimes and decriminalize drugs and a whole host of random social engineering and morality policing.
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    I would push more for police training and procedures that emphasize deescalation and non-violence in all but the most severe circumstance. We could also stop obsessing over victimless crimes and decriminalize drugs and a whole host of random social engineering and morality policing.

    Good, and now with possible riots I think it would good for the shop owners to grab their guns and stand guard, if someone wants to challenge that, they get to die or get maned, because if the same crap that ends up being the outcome like Baltimore, there's no excuse to robbing and burning another's business over this. They didn't kill the guy, the cops did.
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    Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    Good, and now with possible riots I think it would good for the shop owners to grab their guns and stand guard, if someone wants to challenge that, they get to die or get maned, because if the same crap that ends up being the outcome like Baltimore, there's no excuse to robbing and burning another's business over this. They didn't kill the guy, the cops did.
    While I don’t condone rioting, I think riots can be helpful in changing policy. Any government should fear the people.

    If outright revolution and overthrow is conditionally justifiable in the pursuit of liberty, I don’t see why a much smaller version wouldn’t.

    And if there is rioting, a focus on government property instead of random private property is far more justifiable, which from what I have seen seems to be what is going on.
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    While I don’t condone rioting, I think riots can be helpful in changing policy. Any government should fear the people.

    If outright revolution and overthrow is conditionally justifiable in the pursuit of liberty, I don’t see why a much smaller version wouldn’t.

    And if there is rioting, a focus on government property instead of random private property is far more justifiable, which from what I have seen seems to be what is going on.
    lol, rioting doesn't hurt the government nearly as much as it it hurts other people

    Attacking people (often based on skin color...) or tearing apart/stealing their property is not helpful for anything
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    I would push more for police training and procedures that emphasize deescalation and non-violence in all but the most severe circumstance.
    I'm not convinced this is an issue of improper training....I haven't had any training whatsoever and am pretty sure that standing on somebody's neck while they struggle to breathe is a recipe for a bad outcome. I just think there are some bad cops out there. All the training in the world isn't going to help them if they have no interest in implementing it.
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    Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus View Post
    I'm not convinced this is an issue of improper training....I haven't had any training whatsoever and am pretty sure that standing on somebody's neck while they struggle to breathe is a recipe for a bad outcome. I just think there are some bad cops out there. All the training in the world isn't going to help them if they have no interest in implementing it.
    That ^

    Might just be left with setting a precedent of exactly what happens if one engages in this behavior.
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    K, so if he died from this blood choke as this genius confidentiality stated, why was the guy saying he couldn't breathe? And not he was getting dizzy.
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    And if there is rioting, a focus on government property instead of random private property is far more justifiable, which from what I have seen seems to be what is going on.

    Well, I think they just set fire to an Advanced Auto store (or some type of auto place)?

    Setting fire to anything is BS, any person could be inside.

    Some folks sleep in their shops.
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    lol, rioting doesn't hurt the government nearly as much as it it hurts other people

    Attacking people (often based on skin color...) or tearing apart/stealing their property is not helpful for anything

    As much as rioting is problematic and bad in many ways, it does make it evident that problems are real and need to be addressed. Without rioting, there is some element of appeasement, that doing nothing is adequate since doing nothing will just maintain the peaceful status quo. Without escalation nothing may happen. This is historically not unprecedented, given that it seems the Rodney King riots forced the issue and public discourse regarding it to the forefront.
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    As much as rioting is problematic and bad in many ways, it does make it evident that problems are real and need to be addressed. Without rioting, there is some element of appeasement, that doing nothing is adequate since doing nothing will just maintain the peaceful status quo. Without escalation nothing may happen. This is historically not unprecedented, given that it seems the Rodney King riots forced the issue and public discourse regarding it to the forefront.

    There hasn't even been a trial yet, the rioters are as stupid as those cops. And hopefully the prosecutor is not as stupid as the one in the Freddy Grey incident. She is one reason why those cops got acquitted, then the riots started, much because the youth don't understand the laws and opportunities for other crooks to rob.
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