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    Originally Posted by rgnx View Post
    Holloway moved up for that. Imagine Conor fighting Woodley, Colby, or Masvidal.. Conor would get wrecked.

    Poirier is a good fighter indeed, and adds to the claim Conor can make this list, but it isn't enough.

    Conor was challenged HARD by mendes, (a gate keeper, lets be real)

    Aldo, no excuses for aldo, but he got dropped before we had a chance to see much.

    Diaz (gatekeeper) is a big light weight true, but his skills are mediocre. Conor almost lost twice to him.

    Alvarez, this guy got lucky he even held the belt.

    Cerrone, another gate keeper than proves nothing.

    Conor the champ who never defends his title, and got spoonfed the light weight title, yep
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    Originally Posted by Gainzzz View Post
    Are you from Dagestan?

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    No, im not a Khabib fan, but Khabib deserves to be above Conor on EVERY list.

    I'll be rooting for Justin if he fights Khabib. Also was rooting for Tony if he fought Khabib
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    Originally Posted by rgnx View Post
    No, im not a Khabib fan, but Khabib deserves to be above Conor on EVERY list.
    What are Khabib's best five wins according to you? I'd ask you to list ten but that would be an embarrassing list.
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    Originally Posted by Barteh View Post
    What are Khabib's best five wins according to you? I'd ask you to list ten but that would be an embarrassing list.
    Which current lightweight can beat Khabib? None.

    It's silly to put any of them above Khabib on a top 10 p4p list. Btw, Khabib isn't even on my top 10 p4p list, it's just silly to have Conor on one lol
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    Originally Posted by rgnx View Post
    Which current lightweight can beat Khabib? None.

    It's silly to put any of them above Khabib on a top 10 p4p list. Btw, Khabib isn't even on my top 10 p4p list, it's just silly to have Conor on one lol
    GOAT isn't determined by fantasy matchups where you imagine somebody can't be beaten and win his next few fights. I agree that it's silly to have Conor on there, but then again it's obvious that most of the people here just turned it into a "my favourites" list instead of making a real objective attempt.
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    Originally Posted by Barteh View Post
    GOAT isn't determined by fantasy matchups where you imagine somebody can't be beaten and win his next few fights. I agree that it's silly to have Conor on there, but then again it's obvious that most of the people here just turned it into a "my favourites" list instead of making a real objective attempt.
    Hasn't Khabib cleared out the lightweight division except Justin and Tony? It's not based off fantasy but actual results..

    Also, I'm rooting for Justin, but i would never bet on that fight, or any fight against Khabib. Most reasonable fans would expect Khabib to beat Justin and Tony..
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    Originally Posted by eatyourspinach View Post
    No mentions of Cro Cop or Kevin Randleman? Man I'm old
    i was close with cro cop but ultimately put big nog instead as he held a pride belt and a fake ufc belt

    randleman wouldn't be on anyones list.
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    Originally Posted by scooterbrah View Post
    i was close with cro cop but ultimately put big nog instead as he held a pride belt and a fake ufc belt

    randleman wouldn't be on anyones list.
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    Originally Posted by Rai9 View Post
    Lmao at anyone including Connor Mcgregor on top 10 list just fookin lmao

    And the argument that fighters of the past don't have the skills of today's fighters is bullshiet. You're judged what you do during the time of your career and context. The best fighters 15 years ago fought in Pride, were all probably roided up to the tits, fought in tournaments, and Fedor dominated the HW division at 5'11 at 230lbs when he could have easily competed in MW.
    watch out, CGC is conor's biggest fan boy and bans those who speaks some truth about conor (srs). lol

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    i was close with cro cop but ultimately put big nog instead as he held a pride belt and a fake ufc belt

    randleman wouldn't be on anyones list.
    I class Randleman in with Coleman & Kerr-their lack of cardio/'outside pursuits' & other weaknesses got exposed pretty quick after looking dominant in the earlier days of MMA. Gracie had the good sense to get out after UFC 5 when he realised he had been rumbled & him & his family could no longer fix the rules to their advantage.
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    Hasn't Khabib cleared out the lightweight division except Justin and Tony? It's not based off fantasy but actual results..

    Also, I'm rooting for Justin, but i would never bet on that fight, or any fight against Khabib. Most reasonable fans would expect Khabib to beat Justin and Tony..
    RDA, Dustin and Conor are his only elite victories tbh. He's never taken those career defining risks. In fact, he's more known for dropping out of a hard fight than taking them on. And by his next fight, after another round of stupid decisions which robbed Tony from another fight, he'll have had an entire year off again.

    I mean, he's on my list but he's only fought one other legend. Most of the guys on his list don't even have wikipedia pages. Don't get me wrong, I think Khabib is an absolute beast but his resume isn't THAT impressive yet, despite the numbers.
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    watch out, CGC is conor's biggest fan boy and bans those who speaks some truth about conor (srs). lol

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    RDA, Dustin and Conor are his only elite victories tbh.
    He rag dolled all 3 in a one sided victory.

    Look how much credit Conor gets for "2 weight champion" when all he literally did was beat Alvarez in a fight he was supposed to win.

    I agree with you, Khabib needs to take more risks to cement his p4p position, but there is none left in lightweight except for Justin. Khabib would need to move up to 170.
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    Originally Posted by rgnx View Post
    He rag dolled all 3 in a one sided victory.

    Look how much credit Conor gets for "2 weight champion" when all he literally did was beat Alvarez in a fight he was supposed to win.

    I agree with you, Khabib needs to take more risks to cement his p4p position, but there is none left in lightweight except for Justin. Khabib would need to move up to 170.
    Conor's run and title win at 145 is far more impressive than Khabib's at 155.

    Conor is a two division champ.

    It's not even debatable that he is the more accomplished fighter.

    @Bold, says who? Hindsight is always 20/20, phaggit. Lots of people were picking Alvarez in that fight. The bookies had it near evens. Alvarez was 28-4 at that point and on an impressive streak in a bigger weight class.

    He moved up in weight and destroyed the sitting champion. You would give any other fighter in MMA/boxing credit for doing this if his name wasn't Conor McGregor. Sad!

    We have another case of CDS (Conor Derangement Syndrome) on the forum bois!

    I don't even know why I'm arguing with someone who called Chad Mendes a gatekeeper

    WHAT THE FUK
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    "Conor's run and title win at 145 is far more impressive than Khabib's at 155."

    Conor has indeed had an impressive run at 145, nobody can dispute this. But so has Khabib, and for a lot longer. Conor is ultimately a 155 fighter though, he would not have the same impressive run in the 155 division (he could never reach the top as long as Khabib is around).


    "Conor is a two division champ.

    It's not even debatable that he is the more accomplished fighter."

    True, Conor is a two division champ. BUT, he was spoon fed a SINGLE EASY FIGHT in Alvarez to get it. So, not much of an achievement. Conor beating Gaethje(current form) would be a much higher achievement. Let's talk about Alvarez, is Alvarez actually UFC lightweight champ tier? HELL NO. Alvarez was lucky to hold the belt, even Frankie Edgar is a more proven fighter. Alvarez only beat PRE-PRIME Gaethje and other gatekeepers (RDA, Pettis, Cerrone)

    Chad Mendes is definition of gatekeeper. A top 5-10 fighter in his weightclass who will never hold the belt.

    Also, I'm actually a fan of Conor and he's by far one of the most exciting fighters to watch. Tons of respect for Conor's accomplishments tbh, all i'm trying to do is look at Conor's achievements objectively. Stop taking it so personally lmao.
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    Originally Posted by Gainzzz View Post
    Conor's run and title win at 145 is far more impressive than Khabib's at 155.

    Conor is a two division champ.

    It's not even debatable that he is the more accomplished fighter.

    @Bold, says who? Hindsight is always 20/20, phaggit. Lots of people were picking Alvarez in that fight. The bookies had it near evens. Alvarez was 28-4 at that point and on an impressive streak in a bigger weight class.

    He moved up in weight and destroyed the sitting champion. You would give any other fighter in MMA/boxing credit for doing this if his name wasn't Conor McGregor. Sad!

    We have another case of CDS (Conor Derangement Syndrome) on the forum bois!

    I don't even know why I'm arguing with someone who called Chad Mendes a gatekeeper

    WHAT THE FUK
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    I was the biggest Fedor fan boy but at this point he just can't be #1.
    I think the Lindland fight was the first fight I watched of him live. I ate that **** up.
    Lindland
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    Tim Sylvia
    Andrei Arlovski
    Brett Rogers

    When he finally fought someone who wasn't a joke he lost and continued to lose. If he had retired after Cro Cop it would be a different story.
    Just like Roy Jones Jr would have a legit claim to #1 in boxing if he retired at 49–1 but he did not so he is not.
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    GSP #1, high calibre opponents, long streak, clean

    Then no order
    - Anderson, huge streak, mostly average opponents, no risks (always talked about doing a super fight, never did), on drugs
    - Jones, huge streak, very high calibre opponents, superfight talker, drugs, somewhat dirty fighter
    - Fedor massive streak, some weak opponents, but did this somewhat undersized, no real controversy
    - Hendo, double champ, clean (afaik), fought some all time greats and who's who of MMA
    - Conor, beat some of the GOATS (aldo, holloway), always push the limits (double champ), walked the talk during his rise
    - Khabib, massive streak with some quality opponents, undefeated
    - DC, double champ, quality oppponents
    - Aldo, yeah a long streak but mainly average opponents
    - Mighty Mouse, long streak, way ahead of everyone but largely shallow division and took no risks (superfights)
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    Originally Posted by rgnx View Post
    "Conor's run and title win at 145 is far more impressive than Khabib's at 155."

    Conor has indeed had an impressive run at 145, nobody can dispute this. But so has Khabib, and for a lot longer. Conor is ultimately a 155 fighter though, he would not have the same impressive run in the 155 division (he could never reach the top as long as Khabib is around).


    "Conor is a two division champ.

    It's not even debatable that he is the more accomplished fighter."

    True, Conor is a two division champ. BUT, he was spoon fed a SINGLE EASY FIGHT in Alvarez to get it. So, not much of an achievement. Conor beating Gaethje(current form) would be a much higher achievement. Let's talk about Alvarez, is Alvarez actually UFC lightweight champ tier? HELL NO. Alvarez was lucky to hold the belt, even Frankie Edgar is a more proven fighter. Alvarez only beat PRE-PRIME Gaethje and other gatekeepers (RDA, Pettis, Cerrone)

    Chad Mendes is definition of gatekeeper. A top 5-10 fighter in his weightclass who will never hold the belt.

    Also, I'm actually a fan of Conor and he's by far one of the most exciting fighters to watch. Tons of respect for Conor's accomplishments tbh, all i'm trying to do is look at Conor's achievements objectively. Stop taking it so personally lmao.
    100% correct

    Beat 2 all time greats, Holloway and Aldo, with Aldo being the number 1 p4p at the time - didn't just beat him as we all know!

    Immediatley went and became double champ, something GSP, Jones, Anderson only talked about, and clung to the safety of a division they knew they could safely dominate in (GSP eventually did it)

    beat Alverez flawlessy. Alverez was highly rated, even a slight betting favourite.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD6njSkh2Lc

    Then the boxing stuff, and how easy he iced cowboy.

    Haters will hate, but Conor is a all time great.
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    Originally Posted by Gizzyhardcore View Post
    100% correct

    Beat 2 all time greats, Holloway and Aldo, with Aldo being the number 1 p4p at the time - didn't just beat him as we all know!

    Immediatley went and became double champ, something GSP, Jones, Anderson only talked about, and clung to the safety of a division they knew they could safely dominate in (GSP eventually did it)

    beat Alverez flawlessy. Alverez was highly rated, even a slight betting favourite.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD6njSkh2Lc

    Then the boxing stuff, and how easy he iced cowboy.

    Haters will hate, but Conor is a all time great.
    Hind sight is 20/20. Looking back at Alvarez now, you can legit say he was never champion tier. Alvarez was lucky to touch that belt. Conor even luckier it was Alvarez he to fight.

    lol @ mentioning Cowboy or his boxing fight.

    Conor is great in this new generation era. Not even close to an all time great.
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    Originally Posted by rgnx View Post
    Hind sight is 20/20. Looking back at Alvarez now, you can legit say he was never champion tier. Alvarez was lucky to touch that belt. Conor even luckier it was Alvarez he to fight.

    lol @ mentioning Cowboy or his boxing fight.

    Conor is great in this new generation era. Not even close to an all time great.
    Ahahha works both ways chump. Conor beat a guy called Max Holloway, on one leg. He also beat a guy called Dustin Porier, embarassingly - mocking him telling him exactly how he'd do it, and then doing it.

    Maybe those 2 where crap and Conor's not that good... or wait.... we have 20/20 hindsight... those 2 are VERY good. Max even being called a GOAT himself.

    Theres no logical argument for Conor not being a Goat, if you are gonna count fighters who milked "streaks" fighting average fighters (Fedor, Aldo) then you have to put Conor in there.

    Yes and I have to remind you, its 2020, you can very easily google their records, Fedor and Aldo both accumulated a "streak" beating very average fighters, highlighted with a couple wins vs competent figthers. Its fact. But casuals are obsessed with streaks rather than feats.
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    Not too much o an expert on this but heres my list. * means asterisk for PEDs

    1. Jon Jones* - youngest LHW champ, most title defenses, destroyed all the legends of his division, pretty much unbeaten
    2. GSP - 2 division champion, cleaned out division, heaps of title defenses, excellent at both ground and striking
    3. Anderson Silva * - longest title reign in ufc history, spectacular finishes, insane resume, although he kind of fell off and did bad later
    4. Fedor - 10 years undefeated at Heavyweight, he was pretty small for a HW and still destroyed HW legends much bigger and taller. incredible wins
    5. Khabib - 28-0, barely lost a round. Greatest grappler I have seen
    6. Demetrious Johnson - title defense record. Great fighter, one of the most skilled p4p
    7. Henry Cejudo, double champ, beat TJ on roids, DJ (controversial), Dom, and gold medalist too
    8. Aldo - unbeaten or 10 years. insane resume and most title defenses at FW
    9. DC - double champ, only lost to Stipe and Jones, Olympic calibre wrestling, great resume
    10. JDS - Awesome HW with devastating power

    I see in this thread a lot of people arguing over whether Conor belongs on the list. In my opinion Conor is an all time great, and one of the best fighters in the FW division, but not top 10 pound for pound.
    Being the first ever double champ and knocking out Aldo in 13 seconds is astonishing.
    But I think lack of title defenses hurts his ranking alot. Also, one could argue he only became double champ because he was gifted a title shot. His losses to 11 day notice nate and Khabib drops him a few points in my opinion
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