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    Why does this section exist?

    Everyone who really knows what they're doing knows that supplements are not necessary. BCAA, glutamine, creatine, protein powder, multivitamins, pre-workout--it's all stuff we can get from a proper adult diet. Want some BCAA? Eat protein, that's literally what BCAAs are. Want some pre-workout? Drink 6-12oz of black coffee, it's a hell of a lot cheaper than your c4 caffeine and nitrate garbage. Creatine? Oh please, don't even get me started on that.

    All this section does is confuse young and inexperienced lifters into thinking there's some "trick" or some cocktail of supplements that will turn them into a lean shredded machine in 3 months. Everyone would rather spend $100 a month on bs supplements, train like a pansy, and eat like an idiot as opposed to spending $0 and training hard with an optimized diet. No one wants to train hard and eat like they're supposed to, that's why they get into the supplement trap. Isn't the point of this forum to guide people to train and eat the correct way? Why even give supplements it's own section and subsections if all it does is create confusion and misunderstanding to new lifters?

    If this thread gets deleted, that will tell me everything I need to know about this community.
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    Some people need or want supplements for specific reasons - e.g. dietary deficiencies.

    "Necessary" and "useful" are different concepts. You can do without creatine mono and protein powder - but I would still buy them for convenience.

    Some things are marginal in their efficacy - but some people might choose to try it on the offchance that it gives them an edge. Usually for novices, we tell them to keep it simple because the problem is they put too much focus on supplements and not enough on the boring things like eating right and working hard consistently over time.
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    Previous to federal law changes in 2014, this section was a bit more.....lively.
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    Pretty self righteous post from a guy who skips arm day. People use supps for convenience. People wake up early, work long hours, commute, many things that take up a lot of time. Supps help when you are short on time or can't get that perfect diet. I have a protein shake every morning before work because it's quick and easy. All about convenience.
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    This section actually tries to educate people and mostly tells them to stick to basic supplements and focus on nutrition more.
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    There are a lot of uses. Personally, I prefer pre-workout to a cup of coffee. And the fact that you seem to be dissing the effectiveness of creatine makes me think that you might be one of those inexperienced lifters. It's about educating people who want to be educated and trying to be helpful to those who want to be helped.

    Sure you could build a great physique without supplements, but understanding how to use different supplements can make it significantly easier.

    You sound incredibly judgmental, I think if this thread were to get deleted it would be because you've posted it for no better reason than to rile people up, not because of any shortcoming on the part of this community.
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    Wait you don’t like creatine? Awaiting to hear your reasoning and how much smarter you are than all the doctors and studies that ave been performed on it.
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    I find it comical that you think a website/corporation that sells supplements would consider removing the supplement section of their forums....

    Have you even read any threads on here? Everyone generally advises against most supplements people ask about(BCAAs, Glutamine, test boosters etc.). If they didn't have this space to ask questions they might waste even more money on pointless supps. You could literally make the exact same point for any of the forums so by your logic why have forums?

    What a dumb post.
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    Originally Posted by mdwilson2011 View Post
    Everyone who really knows what they're doing knows that supplements are not necessary. BCAA, glutamine, creatine, protein powder, multivitamins, pre-workout--it's all stuff we can get from a proper adult diet. Want some BCAA? Eat protein, that's literally what BCAAs are. Want some pre-workout? Drink 6-12oz of black coffee, it's a hell of a lot cheaper than your c4 caffeine and nitrate garbage. Creatine? Oh please, don't even get me started on that.

    All this section does is confuse young and inexperienced lifters into thinking there's some "trick" or some cocktail of supplements that will turn them into a lean shredded machine in 3 months. Everyone would rather spend $100 a month on bs supplements, train like a pansy, and eat like an idiot as opposed to spending $0 and training hard with an optimized diet. No one wants to train hard and eat like they're supposed to, that's why they get into the supplement trap. Isn't the point of this forum to guide people to train and eat the correct way? Why even give supplements it's own section and subsections if all it does is create confusion and misunderstanding to new lifters?

    If this thread gets deleted, that will tell me everything I need to know about this community.
    This sections exists to discuss supplements. You're welcome
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    OP,

    We all know we can obtain most of our needs through diet, but as adults we also have jobs and other responsibilities that prevent us from eating properly, and certain supplements can not be obtained through diet alone. Creatine is one supplement that needs to be taken in a supplement form to achieve the proper amounts. Protein and amino acids are another that can be achieved through diet but most of us miss out on our daily goals due to our responsibilities, and to be perfectly honest protein shakes taste pretty damn good in this day and age.

    I also have a funny feeling your cabinet is pretty well stocked
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    OP clearly doesn't read to many of the threads in this section.

    Good for you though, this entire forum exists for you to rate people's body fat from its supplement sales
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    Pretty self righteous post from a guy who skips arm day.



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    Only thing I'm scratching my head at is this:
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    Want some pre-workout? Drink 6-12oz of black coffee, it's a hell of a lot cheaper than your c4 caffeine and nitrate garbage. Creatine? Oh please, don't even get me started on that.
    You know what's a hell of a lot cheaper than coffee? Caffeine tablets. 200mg for like $.03 each. Maybe the "nitrate garbage," your subjective take, is relevant to someone that wants pumps.

    And creatine? I'm going to get you started. Is the benefit huge? Nope, but if you're implying that you can get enough creatine to super-saturate cells, which is needed for benefit, through a "proper adult diet," again a very subjective phrase, you'd be wrong. Does the "proper adult diet" include 4ish lbs of meat, mostly beef, per day? **** that jive, that's way too expensive to get something I can supplement for $.11 a serving. Better still, I don't have to eat 4 friggen lbs of meat per day.


    Originally Posted by mdwilson2011 View Post
    All this section does is confuse young and inexperienced lifters into thinking there's some "trick" or some cocktail of supplements that will turn them into a lean shredded machine in 3 months. Everyone would rather spend $100 a month on bs supplements, train like a pansy, and eat like an idiot as opposed to spending $0 and training hard with an optimized diet.
    If anything, I think the good bros in this section correct confusion. Can't think of anyone, even theFug and his BCAA fetish, that has claimed a cocktail of supplements will do as you suggested. Again, that's something that gets corrected fairly often. That's a rather extreme statement that "everyone" spends $100 on supplements. I don't and I'd wager that most don't. Train like a pansy? Define training hard. What the **** is an optimized diet? You serious right now brah?


    Originally Posted by mdwilson2011 View Post
    No one wants to train hard and eat like they're supposed to, that's why they get into the supplement trap. Isn't the point of this forum to guide people to train and eat the correct way? Why even give supplements it's own section and subsections if all it does is create confusion and misunderstanding to new lifters?

    If this thread gets deleted, that will tell me everything I need to know about this community.
    You're like the guys that talk about dudes using DAT DERE and how they don't work hard. I do agree that there are some that want magic pills, but that doesn't mean they may or may not train hard or meet their macros.

    This is a section because the site that you're posting your whack-ass opinion on for free sells supplements to adults that want to spend their money on it.

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    Did you even look at the posts on the first page before you posted your drivel?
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    IDK about you but ever since I've been apart of this board which has been 13 years I've gotten nothing but solid advice from the respected members here.

    Yes I use to get more supplements in the past when I was younger. As time went on and as I learned more and more, mainly through this forum, I learned what to keep and what to cut out.

    Now my supplement stack is minimal and just consists of the basics which are protein powders, pre-workout, multi, vitamin D-3, Fish Oil, and creatine. I'll also add in an intra supplement from time to time as I've found those help me, especially during the Arizona summer.
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    There used to be a Supplement Science section here with nothing but studies. Great stuff, wish the mods would bring it back. Anyway, I learned a lot about supplements and nutrition here. If you're gullible, might as well hit the 3 card monty at the pier. If you're savvy, you figure out what you're doing eventually. This place has it all. I remember when nitrates and agmatine were the chit, people loved that pump. SNS, Primaforce, etc-better value, more of the ingredient you're looking for, and none of that proprietary bullchit.

    This section is where I learned about amino spiking in whey protein supplements.

    This section is where I learned I didn't have to "load" 20 mg creatine for a week for it to be effective.

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    This section is where I learned glutamine is probably worthless

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    This section is as useful as you allow it to be. Its like the internet in general, if you wallow in the mudpits, you'll be far worse than you started, if you use it to actually learn though hell you can get a Harvard grade education (srs, they have lectures online for free lol).
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