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    Or the plausible explanation being that it damaged their economy, and letting it loose damaged other countries economies, so comparatively China doesn't lose too much.
    I even toyed with the possibility of a third party being responsible, knowing the impact it would have on international geopolitics. Sort of like what happened in Sum of All Fears minus the dirty bomb and a carrier getting lit up.

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    Do we need more evidence that this exaggerated over-reactions are the symptoms of a cornered regime?

    China is a paper tiger, I'll repeat China is fuked any way you wanna put it, geographically, demographically, militarily, economically, they were on their way to go kaput in the next decade and COVID has just accelerated this process.

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    Originally Posted by Yellowbeaver View Post
    Ya Austalia has been cozing up by tariffing Chinese steel and blacklisting Huawei 5G

    Those damn ##### taking advantage of Australia's "kindness"
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    Except China dropped tariffs on US barley and will probably be getting it from the US at a slight premium.

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    I'm curious though. If all all the elite Australians are paid by the CCP, why are there steel tariffs and 5g bans, tradie pog?

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    China is in a great position in the long term. Their reputation was hit badly but since when do communists care about their reputation?

    I am talking about One Belt, One Road. That is the greatest debt trap in modern history and Covid-19 just gave a boost to their plans. Nations are already begging for renegotiation of the debt. The default on this debt opens the way for China to take the collateral, hence boosting its position in parts of the world. Not too long ago the Mombassa port in Kenya (the largest trading port in Africa) got claimed by China and guess what that means? China forces these countries into trading with it. With increased reliance on trade with China, you got their currency gaining strength, eventually posing a direct challenge to the Dollar. China won't need to manufacture a damn thing in 50 years if their plan succeeds because they will run trade.

    Covid-19 has just made repaying the debt a hell of a lot harder, which goes along with China's debt trap game. They are at a win-win situation. They either collect their money or even better, they increase their influence with debt default.
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    The rest of the world needs to put tariffs on chinese exports. Destroy their economy the way they are destroying everyone elses.
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    Originally Posted by Mr Beer View Post
    I read some horribly servile opinion piece by a local professor saying that Australia needs to be 'less hostile' to China because they are more powerful than us and our most important trading partner. The kicker is the guys name was something like Luwai Chen. Basically a third column traitor appointed as an educator and posting CCP propoganda in the news. Dude should be tarred and feathered and run out on a rail.
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    The investigation is absolutely necessary for a multitude of reasons. Hopefully we find out exactly what happened and are able to develop new international laws relating to the kind of research that was going on in Wuhan, as well as develop a new standard of safety protocols. China doesn't like it because they don't like being embarrassed on the world stage, but something like this can never happen again so they will just have to accept the fact that we are going to get to the bottom of this.
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    Originally Posted by BalkanPrince View Post
    China is in a great position in the long term. Their reputation was hit badly but since when do communists care about their reputation?

    I am talking about One Belt, One Road. That is the greatest debt trap in modern history and Covid-19 just gave a boost to their plans. Nations are already begging for renegotiation of the debt. The default on this debt opens the way for China to take the collateral, hence boosting its position in parts of the world. Not too long ago the Mombassa port in Kenya (the largest trading port in Africa) got claimed by China and guess what that means? China forces these countries into trading with it. With increased reliance on trade with China, you got their currency gaining strength, eventually posing a direct challenge to the Dollar. China won't need to manufacture a damn thing in 50 years if their plan succeeds because they will run trade.

    Covid-19 has just made repaying the debt a hell of a lot harder, which goes along with China's debt trap game. They are at a win-win situation. They either collect their money or even better, they increase their influence with debt default.
    Great post! That's the intent, to beat the US using economic superiority without firing a shot. They know they can't beat the US in a direct military conflict. However, a lot of the countries China is dumping BRI investment into aren't exactly the cornerstones of society. China may not necessarily need to rely on the West to achieve to superiority at all, it's probably siphoned enough from espionage or tech transfers to give them a solid foundation. If they have enough resources cornered and dept trapped nations to do the work for them (look at VeneZ & paying their debt to China with oil), then they don't really need to worry about anything. Maybe China will try to build up the third world to form its own breakaway economy, who knows, they aren't exactly concerned with human rights or altruistic values to guide diplomacy. Third World countries are usually broken, corrupt, and authoritarian.

    The scary thing, that no one really sees coming, is the amount of coordination China is doing with Africa to build up a continental defense force (think of a Chinese aligned African NATO), supplied by Chinese defense contractors. These people won't care if their tanks or aircraft work, they will take the bribe money and the equipment and China will have a major foothold in the Eastern Hemisphere to threaten the US.

    There's a lot of long term strategic chess moves that have been going on that don't get a lot of attention, good to build up awareness though.
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    Well, here's the thing, it's fine to say 'well fk those commie bastards' and cut off trade but Australia gets decimated in a tit-for-tat escalation with China. We can't take the US approach of taking them head-on.

    A third of exports go there and our foreign students are mostly Chinese (hell most of our students are Chinese if you ever visit an Australian campus) and now a lot of our tourists are as well.

    The smart thing would be to de-couple as much as possible and ensure we have alternatives, so last minute 'fuk you's' like this from China lose a lot of their sting. That takes years of work though, since it took years to get us into this situation.

    I will say the government and industry has a big incentive to start putting in the work on this though, because China has made it extremely clear that they cannot be relied upon to take delivery of agreed upon sales. So it makes sense to develop alternative customers, even ones that pay worse for less, just because the Chicoms will leverage your dependence ruthlessly.
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    In response to Mr Beer, it keeps erroring if I quote your post:

    I don't believe Australia is necessarily on an island by itself in all of this. There has been a general plan in place to combat the inevitable rise of China, I just don't think it was meant to be implemented so aggressively and so quickly, but that's what happens when you put off an issue for long enough (*cough* Obama's failed Pacific Pivot *cough*). Australia & Japan are THE anchor allies for this next Cold War, that's why the US has been partnering with both nations in Hypersonic research, and other areas, to help cultivate an alliance. Did you know the US & Australia have been testing hypersonic weapons over Australia's outback for the last two decades?

    One thing I think we will see soon is the loss of discipline and balance in China's long term strategic plan and the emergence of a new, more fanatical leader, to lead China's ambitions. While patience and slow crawling is ideal for them, they are still human and prone to human desires, and their recent rise to power and increased assertiveness (militarily), will feed into their lust for more power (that's why absolute power corrupts absolutely).

    It may not happen now, but Xi's power grab (circa 2018) was intended to insulate himself from warhawks within the politburo from threatening his position. It won't last forever. Look at the beating China is taking on the world stage since Trump came to power. Thankfully, the US is finally increasing its presence in the South China Sea, which is essentially the Gulf of Mexico for China.
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    Originally Posted by Halfway View Post
    how cucked is Aus to say they won't respond to this?

    I know China now owns half your country but it's sad to see a nation that once sweated testosterone reduced to this

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-...trade/12261928
    It's pretty alpha, actually. They're embarrassing themselves. Let them throw a tantrum like children while we remain steadfast, because an escalation doesn't serve us. Better to keep them close until we've re-positioned ourselves. We should continue to play nice but support an in depth investigation while they keep cutting the checks until we've found new markets to replace their demand.
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    how cucked is Aus to say they won't respond to this?

    I know China now owns half your country but it's sad to see a nation that once sweated testosterone reduced to this

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-...trade/12261928
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    Gonna keep it simple and real here...

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    Gonna keep it simple and real here...

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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    In response to Mr Beer, it keeps erroring if I quote your post:

    I don't believe Australia is necessarily on an island by itself in all of this. There has been a general plan in place to combat the inevitable rise of China, I just don't think it was meant to be implemented so aggressively and so quickly, but that's what happens when you put off an issue for long enough (*cough* Obama's failed Pacific Pivot *cough*). Australia & Japan are THE anchor allies for this next Cold War, that's why the US has been partnering with both nations in Hypersonic research, and other areas, to help cultivate an alliance. Did you know the US & Australia have been testing hypersonic weapons over Australia's outback for the last two decades?

    One thing I think we will see soon is the loss of discipline and balance in China's long term strategic plan and the emergence of a new, more fanatical leader, to lead China's ambitions. While patience and slow crawling is ideal for them, they are still human and prone to human desires, and their recent rise to power and increased assertiveness (militarily), will feed into their lust for more power (that's why absolute power corrupts absolutely).

    It may not happen now, but Xi's power grab (circa 2018) was intended to insulate himself from warhawks within the politburo from threatening his position. It won't last forever. Look at the beating China is taking on the world stage since Trump came to power. Thankfully, the US is finally increasing its presence in the South China Sea, which is essentially the Gulf of Mexico for China.
    Well I don't think we're alone in this but ultimately China deciding to boycott Australia's products is Australia's problem. Who knows what will happen in the long haul, I definitely think China is going to get more aggressive though. I really hope they overreach with some military adventurism against an opponent they think will be an easy target and get a humiliating and expensive bloody nose that discredits the hawks.
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    My money is on Australia to prevail in a war with China.

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    Well I don't think we're alone in this but ultimately China deciding to boycott Australia's products is Australia's problem. Who knows what will happen in the long haul, I definitely think China is going to get more aggressive though. I really hope they overreach with some military adventurism against an opponent they think will be an easy target and get a humiliating and expensive bloody nose that discredits the hawks.
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    just slap a 80% tariff on WISH.com orders. done.
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    Or the plausible explanation being that it damaged their economy, and letting it loose damaged other countries economies, so comparatively China doesn't lose too much.
    This is why they let it out. They wanted it to get out. Otherwise they would have cancelled and closed air travel internationally. They closed flights from wuhan off from the rest of the country. But still allowed international flights from wuhan. They had just lost the trade war with the US. Then they were hammered by this virus to add insult to injury. Or perhaps this was their nuclear option to blow up the world economy. Their last resort so to speak.

    Australia and the west will come out of this fine. We will all become a lot stronger in the end. China will not. There will be growing pains. We let China into our markets and gave them a role and responsibility that they clearly have mismanaged. A mistake made is a lesson learned. Now time to give them the Soviet treatment they sorely deserve.
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    Tons of 250 MEGATON Chinese Thermonuclear warheads on hypersonic glide vehicles vs Australian Boomerangs?
    Go back to China.
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    Another big and bad way China is Asshoe, is that China has many publicly traded stocks on the US exchanges. The SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) has its rules and one of them is that each and every publicly traded company must allow audited inspections. China does not allow its publicly traded companies to be accessed for regulatory oversight.

    Trump and the SEC are currently considering de-listing those Chinese companies. Of course those companies can go to other exchanges like London or Hong Kong, but there will not be the desired liquidity.

    China is a massive and global criminal enterprise.
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    China is a massive and global criminal enterprise.
    So is the United States.

    “I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”

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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    Another big and bad way China is Asshoe, is that China has many publicly traded stocks on the US exchanges. The SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) has its rules and one of them is that each and every publicly traded company must allow audited inspections. China does not allow its publicly traded companies to be accessed for regulatory oversight.

    Trump and the SEC are currently considering de-listing those Chinese companies. Of course those companies can go to other exchanges like London or Hong Kong, but there will not be the desired liquidity.

    China is a massive and global criminal enterprise.
    They can. But by de-listing those companies from American exchanges (the largest in the world) you are making a statement. It can quickly snowball from there. Also, the US could use its influence on other exchanges to do the same thing. At this point, its clear China is a giant parasite to the global system. They steal up to $500 billion in intellectual property every year from the US alone. They make our companies share their technology with state owned entities, proving to us all just how incompetent china is at inventing the newest and latest technologies. Theyll rip it off and slap a chinese flag on it, without a care in the world. Theyll buy what they can, and steal what cant be bought.
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    Originally Posted by BalkanPrince View Post
    China is in a great position in the long term. Their reputation was hit badly but since when do communists care about their reputation?

    I am talking about One Belt, One Road. That is the greatest debt trap in modern history and Covid-19 just gave a boost to their plans. Nations are already begging for renegotiation of the debt. The default on this debt opens the way for China to take the collateral, hence boosting its position in parts of the world. Not too long ago the Mombassa port in Kenya (the largest trading port in Africa) got claimed by China and guess what that means? China forces these countries into trading with it. With increased reliance on trade with China, you got their currency gaining strength, eventually posing a direct challenge to the Dollar. China won't need to manufacture a damn thing in 50 years if their plan succeeds because they will run trade.

    Covid-19 has just made repaying the debt a hell of a lot harder, which goes along with China's debt trap game. They are at a win-win situation. They either collect their money or even better, they increase their influence with debt default.
    Until they can stop basing their money on the dollar (which is something they have never done since entering the world market) they are running on borrowed time and will always be linked to our fate.
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    Originally Posted by ItsWhatIDo View Post
    Yep, but Americans will continue to buy cheap Chinese crap.

    The problem with China is if you're a smart business man it's kinda hard to avoid them right now. I've mentioned this before but I've got a company going now and buying chemicals from china is like 45 percent cheaper because they don't care if they destroy their own homeland. American consumers drive this demand by demanding "muh very best deal"


    America needs to relax its EPA a little bit. You can't be trying to be green when the rest of the world is using it against you economically.
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    So is the United States.
    We know you hate the US. That's why you push your far-left bullshiit.

    Originally Posted by Jrd86 View Post
    They can. But by de-listing those companies from American exchanges (the largest in the world) you are making a statement. It can quickly snowball from there. Also, the US could use its influence on other exchanges to do the same thing. At this point, its clear China is a giant parasite to the global system. They steal up to $500 billion in intellectual property every year from the US alone. They make our companies share their technology with state owned entities, proving to us all just how incompetent china is at inventing the newest and latest technologies. Theyll rip it off and slap a chinese flag on it, without a care in the world. Theyll buy what they can, and steal what cant be bought.
    Agreed, but the US has leverage and the US pays its debts. Trump is getting serious about the prospect of de-listing Chinese companies from US exchanges in addition to organizing new supply chains for the US and the world.

    Also...

    $1.6T in century-old Chinese bonds offer Trump unique leverage against Beijing

    As the Trump administration seeks ways to penalize China for its handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, it need look no further than Tennessee.

    The Lewisburg, Tennessee-based American Bondholder Foundation holds $1.6 trillion of century-old Chinese debt, including interest, dating to before the founding of the communist People’s Republic of China, that it wants the administration's help in redeeming. There is an estimated $6 trillion or more of the debt outstanding worldwide.

    The bonds were issued by the Republic of China -- which ousted the imperial government in a coup -- as far back as 1912 and backed by gold; they were defaulted on in 1938. The ROC government fled to Taiwan, where it remains the official ruling body, after Mao Zedong’s communist party took over following the 1949 end of the revolution.

    Beijing maintains Taiwan is part of China, and under international law, successor governments are responsible for the debts of their predecessors.....


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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    Great post! That's the intent, to beat the US using economic superiority without firing a shot. They know they can't beat the US in a direct military conflict. However, a lot of the countries China is dumping BRI investment into aren't exactly the cornerstones of society. China may not necessarily need to rely on the West to achieve to superiority at all, it's probably siphoned enough from espionage or tech transfers to give them a solid foundation. If they have enough resources cornered and dept trapped nations to do the work for them (look at VeneZ & paying their debt to China with oil), then they don't really need to worry about anything. Maybe China will try to build up the third world to form its own breakaway economy, who knows, they aren't exactly concerned with human rights or altruistic values to guide diplomacy. Third World countries are usually broken, corrupt, and authoritarian.

    The scary thing, that no one really sees coming, is the amount of coordination China is doing with Africa to build up a continental defense force (think of a Chinese aligned African NATO), supplied by Chinese defense contractors. These people won't care if their tanks or aircraft work, they will take the bribe money and the equipment and China will have a major foothold in the Eastern Hemisphere to threaten the US.

    There's a lot of long term strategic chess moves that have been going on that don't get a lot of attention, good to build up awareness though.
    It is very interesting indeed. They are targeting strategic points of economic activity and doing so by exploiting increasingly poor and desperate nations. The sad part is that people legitimately believe China is a fair partner for prosperity yet they fail to see China for what it is, the merciless dragon.

    What do you think is the remedy for OB, OR? It seems to me like every move the U.S. makes, China is either untouched or hurts just as much as America.
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    Originally Posted by BalkanPrince View Post
    It is very interesting indeed. They are targeting strategic points of economic activity and doing so by exploiting increasingly poor and desperate nations. The sad part is that people legitimately believe China is a fair partner for prosperity yet they fail to see China for what it is, the merciless dragon.

    What do you think is the remedy for OB, OR? It seems to me like every move the U.S. makes, China is either untouched or hurts just as much as America.
    These places know what China is - helping them in a better way would go a long way for them not having to turn to China. Closer to China we should also let Japan re-arm, they hate China on an xterra level. We should also stop getting cucked re: Taiwan. We should recognize them as a legitimate country and strengthen ties there instead of letting Beijing bully us out of a regional ally that still truly likes America.
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