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    Hi everyone!
    Has anyone found a natural appetite suppressant? I've looked online & all I get is links recommending pills. Any foods or natural supplements (herbs & such) out there that anyone is taking? I'm trying to keep my calories down to 1500 or so a day. The only thing that has worked for me so far is willpower & coffee, & I want something else to help me throughout the day.
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    Originally Posted by crawdale View Post
    Hi everyone!
    Has anyone found a natural appetite suppressant? I've looked online & all I get is links recommending pills. Any foods or natural supplements (herbs & such) out there that anyone is taking? I'm trying to keep my calories down to 1500 or so a day. The only thing that has worked for me so far is willpower & coffee, & I want something else to help me throughout the day.
    Thanx for the help.

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    fiber, veggies, coffee, low calorie-dense foods.

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    A few sticks of celery and peanut butter?
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    Coffee.

    I don't know why, a shot of caffeine kills my hunger.
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    Originally Posted by Daniel1836 View Post
    Coffee.

    I don't know why, a shot of caffeine kills my hunger.
    Something weird happens to me with caffeinated coffee. It does kill my hunger for a short period, but it seems like it comes back with a force afterwards. Decaf kills my hunger and doesn't seem to have the "rebound" hunger effect I usually get.

    Having done much research on it, just anecdotally speaking.
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    Originally Posted by Nicksosure1 View Post
    Something weird happens to me with caffeinated coffee. It does kill my hunger for a short period, but it seems like it comes back with a force afterwards. Decaf kills my hunger and doesn't seem to have the "rebound" hunger effect I usually get.

    Having done much research on it, just anecdotally speaking.
    I actually had the same experience!
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    I actually had the same experience!
    Again, without doing much research, I know caffeine has some sort of interaction with insulin and regulating blood sugar, albeit very temporary, so it probably has something to do with that.
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    The best appetite suppressant is to make yourself busy. Go for a long walk, or find a new hobby. Lately I've started back making music beats and some gaming. Can spend hours at a time without thinking of food. Everyone has their own trigger to binge and mine is watching TV. If I can keep away from watching TV then it's a good result, though right now there's not exactly a lot outside of the house to do with these lockdowns in place.
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    Caffeine works very well for me regardless of source. It could be from coffee, tea, or energy drinks. This makes sense because stimulants of all kind reduce appetite, which is why kids on ADD meds for example often struggle eat.
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    Originally Posted by Nicksosure1 View Post
    Again, without doing much research, I know caffeine has some sort of interaction with insulin and regulating blood sugar, albeit very temporary, so it probably has something to do with that.
    I actually also have the same experience with decaf vs caf weird
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    To all the decaf vs caff people: your claim that hunger is reduced more with decaf is actually backed up by studies that report decreased levels of perceived appetite and significantly lowered levels of hunger hormone Peptide YY with decaf when compared to caffeinated coffee...

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23204152/

    Still, I find this strange because caffeine is a stimulant and caffeine certainly lowers my appetite. Tolerance may be a factor though.
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    To all the decaf vs caff people: your claim that hunger is reduced more with decaf is actually backed up by studies that report decreased levels of perceived appetite and significantly lowered levels of hunger hormone YY with decaf when compared to caffeinated coffee...

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23204152/

    Still, I find this strange because caffeine is a stimulant and caffeine certainly lowers my appetite. Tolerance may be a factor though.
    In my case I suspect it might have to do with the impact of caffeine (as a stimulant) on bowel motility.

    Due to my history, I tend to have a somewhat sluggish/slow digestive process, and the caffeine (when I drank it) seemed to rev it up some.

    With decaf, the strong coffee flavor and added fluid intake is still there, but without the change in digestion. That, and the fact that the coffee taste kind of 'stays with me' for a while, kind of makes it feel like I had something significant recently. I just ignore it and eat anyway. hah!
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    Interesting. Hot coffee or tea both significantly 'dull' my appetite. But hot chicken broth does the same thing. I assumed it was just the hot liquid, since the broth wouldn't have caffeine?
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    To all the decaf vs caff people: your claim that hunger is reduced more with decaf is actually backed up by studies that report decreased levels of perceived appetite and significantly lowered levels of hunger hormone Peptide YY with decaf when compared to caffeinated coffee...

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23204152/

    Still, I find this strange because caffeine is a stimulant and caffeine certainly lowers my appetite. Tolerance may be a factor though.
    Great info, makes sense.

    Any idea on the over expressed "rebound" hunger some people get from caffeinated coffee? I guess it's not universal but it seems like a few people here have experienced the same thing.
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    Originally Posted by Nicksosure1 View Post
    Great info, makes sense.

    Any idea on the over expressed "rebound" hunger some people get from caffeinated coffee? I guess it's not universal but it seems like a few people here have experienced the same thing.
    Yes. I was actually in an eating disorder center about 5 years back & we weren't allowed to drink coffee or have anything with caffeine at first because they suppress the appetite. The thing is, if you're truly hungry and you're able to delay eating because you consume caffeine, you will only not be hungry so long as it's really in your system. If you're truly hungry, your body wanted food and you merely covered it up, so of course you're hungrier than before when it wears off...you just went an additional few hours without eating when your body was crying for food. The same thing happens to me due to adrenaline and/or stress, which mimics caffeine in a way (increased focus and faster heart rate). My appetite will disappear while I'm engaged or stressed, but as soon as my stress finally winds down, I'm hungrier than ever because I didn't eat as much when I otherwise would've been hungry (hunger rebound). This is why I'm rarely hungry right after a workout, and I'm sometimes hungrier on off days.
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    My appetite will disappear while I'm engaged or stressed, but as soon as my stress finally winds down, I'm hungrier than ever because I didn't eat as much when I otherwise would've been hungry (hunger rebound). This is why I'm rarely hungry right after a workout, and I'm sometimes hungrier on off days.
    I suspect this is a primary contributor to the genetic component of anorexia. People who have 'the genetics' for it seem to respond to restriction by enhancing energy and focus whereas others respond in the opposite way, such that stress makes them eat MORE, not less.

    I know I mentioned this before, but when I go golfing, I have to make sure I eat a LOT before starting because otherwise I don't feel like having anything for like 6 hours until I get home and can actually relax.

    Also, I just noticed the OP is only eating 1500 calories... im not sure if a suppressant is needed, it's probably just way too little food for a man.
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    I suspect this is a primary contributor to the genetic component of anorexia. People who have 'the genetics' for it seem to respond to restriction by enhancing energy and focus whereas others respond in the opposite way, such that stress makes them eat MORE, not less.

    I know I mentioned this before, but when I go golfing, I have to make sure I eat a LOT before starting because otherwise I don't feel like having anything for like 6 hours until I get home and can actually relax.

    Also, I just noticed the OP is only eating 1500 calories... im not sure if a suppressant is needed, it's probably just way too little food for a man.
    No chit?! That makes perfect sense about the genetics for anorexia and that you're the same way. Just the other night, I had an extremely stressful conversation with my parents. Afterwards, it was extremely hard to eat and I was wondering why it felt impossible to get food down even though I was starving beforehand. I've always marveled at how people "stress eat" because my appetite's gone when I'm stressed. If anything I "stress walk" or fidget and my body rejects food entirely.

    Also, I completely agree with you that the OP simply isn't eating enough. I could lose weight at twice that intake, and 1500 simply isn't enough for a man unless he's morbidly obese.
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    No chit?! That makes perfect sense about the genetics for anorexia and that you're the same way. Just the other night, I had an extremely stressful conversation with my parents. Afterwards, it was extremely hard to eat and I was wondering why it felt impossible to get food down even though I was starving beforehand. I've always marveled at how people "stress eat" because my appetite's gone when I'm stressed. If anything I "stress walk" or fidget and my body rejects food entirely.
    I agree on the stress-eating, etc...

    I don't relate at all to stress-eating, emotional eating, or eating when i'm sad or depressed... my appetite is highest when im calm, stress-free, and can just chill out and relax. Like you, I stress move/fidget... and my stomach just wants nothing.
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    I agree on the stress-eating, etc...

    I don't relate at all to stress-eating, emotional eating, or eating when i'm sad or depressed... my appetite is highest when im calm, stress-free, and can just chill out and relax. Like you, I stress move/fidget... and my stomach just wants nothing.
    Have you ever looked into polyvagal theory? It proposes that people are predisposed to to either a sympathetic or parasympathetic nervous system response to stress...fight-or-flight or freeze hibernate, rest, and digest. The "ideal" place to be is somewhere between those two extremes, where you're active and social without being hyperfocused and wired on one end or tired and cloudy on the other. I tend hard towards the fight-or-flight response because things like food, sleep, and sex are unappealing when I'm stressed. For other people though, stress just makes them want to do nothing but eat & sleep.
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    I actually did that today. I was out & about & suddenly realized that it was 1:30 & I hadn't eaten since 6 AM. Not bad.
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    I actually did that today. I was out & about & suddenly realized that it was 1:30 & I hadn't eaten since 6 AM. Not bad.
    Yup. This is part of the reason people are talking about the “quarantine 15”. Having less to do makes people think about food more and have a higher appetite. Couple that with stress eating if you have that response and it’s hard for some people to keep the weight off atm. Conversely, those with restrictive eating disorders or those prone to them may lose weight because they’re addicted to the feeling of “accomplishment” that comes from losing weight & they’re hyperfixated on macro counting &/or because they have more stress and less non-food things to occupy their minds.
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    Have you ever looked into polyvagal theory? It proposes that people are predisposed to to either a sympathetic or parasympathetic nervous system response to stress...fight-or-flight or freeze hibernate, rest, and digest. The "ideal" place to be is somewhere between those two extremes, where you're active and social without being hyperfocused and wired on one end or tired and cloudy on the other. I tend hard towards the fight-or-flight response because things like food, sleep, and sex are unappealing when I'm stressed. For other people though, stress just makes them want to do nothing but eat & sleep.
    I’ve never heard that term before but I echo your responses exactly. I have a VERY hard time compartmentalizing individual elements of my life such that I can optimize one while ignoring others which aren’t going smoothly. I’ll have to look into that!
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    I’ve never heard that term before but I echo your responses exactly. I have a VERY hard time compartmentalizing individual elements of my life such that I can optimize one while ignoring others which aren’t going smoothly. I’ll have to look into that!
    It’s helped me a ton to practice “switching gears” by being mindful of how I’m breathing and what state I’m in. I’m way more flexible now in terms of switching from rest and digest mode to action mode & vice versa. I find myself in that “happy medium” state far more often than I ever was before. It’s extremely helpful for anybody, particularly those with eating disorders or addiction issues because we tend to live in states of extremes. It’s a great way to learn to check in with yourself and make sure you’re not compartmentalizing too much.
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    It’s helped me a ton to practice “switching gears” by being mindful of how I’m breathing and what state I’m in. I’m way more flexible now in terms of switching from rest and digest mode to action mode & vice versa. I find myself in that “happy medium” state far more often than I ever was before. It’s extremely helpful for anybody, particularly those with eating disorders or addiction issues because we tend to live in states of extremes. It’s a great way to learn to check in with yourself and make sure you’re not compartmentalizing too much.
    Yeah I’ve actually been practicing more meditation techniques in quarantine and it’s been a good experience. The most basic one is simply taking time at least once per hour to ‘ground’ myself by referencing a certain positive thought or cue that serves as a trigger to switch me out of any current stresses. It’s not foolproof but when I start getting overwhelmed it can help avoid me spilling over into panic mode which can impact my sleep and recovery.
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    Originally Posted by snailsrus View Post
    Eca stack, I think I’m allowed to mention this, I know it’s legal in the USA last time I checked
    One of the best legal stacks that’s my go to when cutting like now

    There’s one that’s the best but that’s the one we can’t discuss here
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    Originally Posted by boo99 View Post
    One of the best legal stacks that’s my go to when cutting like now

    There’s one that’s the best but that’s the one we can’t discuss here
    I’m surprised people use ECA stacks etc these days to be honest. I can’t imagine it helps that much. I’d probably rather just walk an extra mile outside
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    I’m surprised people use ECA stacks etc these days to be honest. I can’t imagine it helps that much. I’d probably rather just walk an extra mile outside
    Yes kind of true

    I think it helps more with killing appetite than actually accelerating ab fat loss

    But yea move more eat less still rules
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