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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Optics?

    What?
    yeah, optics. Included with rifle.

    ...optics are not required for the rifle to function.

    Optics...what??
    Narrowing the goal posts. How about triggers then? Remind me what trigger is on your m&p2.0. Any gun manufacturers include or recommend it? Honestly don't know of any, but maybe there is.

    What oils do good to go rifle manufacturers include with or recommend?
    Don't recall ever receiving oil with a gun. S&W has no specific recommendation in the owner's manual. I presume Remington recommends Rem Oil. Who cares?
    Most stuff- oil, parts, or whatever- included or recommended by good to go rifle manufactures is probably "good enough". Wouldn't make it the best, and it may not even be very desirable. Aftermarket is king of most things, but you already know this.
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    I see we’re still a little chippy this morning.







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    Originally Posted by PapaBurgandy View Post
    I see we’re still a little chippy this morning.







    Morning, MFC.
    shut up, bitch!
    Picked up two 15 packs of Milwaukee's Beast for $13 on the way home from work (night shift) because I wanted to feel like I was in high school again. lol Can anyone confirm 24 packs used to go for like $8, or am I remembering wrong?
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    Originally Posted by pUniCepts View Post
    shut up, bitch!
    Picked up two 15 packs of Milwaukee's Beast for $13 on the way home from work (night shift) because I wanted to feel like I was in high school again. lol Can anyone confirm 24 packs used to go for like $8, or am I remembering wrong?
    I can confirm....I haven’t had the Beast since college in the 90’s. Feeling old AF now, thanks.
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    Originally Posted by PapaBurgandy View Post
    I can confirm....I haven’t had the Beast since college in the 90’s. Feeling old AF now, thanks.
    it's throwba... wayback wednesday! almost got the Beast Ice but my old ass probably couldn't handle it :/
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    Originally Posted by pUniCepts View Post
    it's throwba... wayback wednesday! almost got the Beast Ice but my old ass probably couldn't handle it :/

    Maybe some Natty Light Ice....the college kids are drinking this stuff called Lost Lake now. It’s super cheap and about the worst beer I have ever had. Maybe $6 a 12 pack. Awful, awful stuff.
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    Originally Posted by PapaBurgandy View Post
    I can confirm....I haven’t had the Beast since college in the 90’s. Feeling old AF now, thanks.
    When the university banned kegs in the fraternities (we had one tapped 24/7) and went to BYOB parties, we'd load up troughs with Keystone, Keystone Light, PBR and Old Milwaukee. Those were the days. Was a Taco Bell 2 houses down from the frat house.
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    Originally Posted by pUniCepts View Post
    yeah, optics. Included with rifle.


    Narrowing the goal posts. How about triggers then? Remind me what trigger is on your m&p2.0. Any gun manufacturers include or recommend it? Honestly don't know of any, but maybe there is.


    Don't recall ever receiving oil with a gun. S&W has no specific recommendation in the owner's manual. I presume Remington recommends Rem Oil. Who cares?
    Most stuff- oil, parts, or whatever- included or recommended by good to go rifle manufactures is probably "good enough". Wouldn't make it the best, and it may not even be very desirable. Aftermarket is king of most things, but you already know this.
    There's no analogy or correlation whatsoever between the topic at hand, and optics included with rifles.

    Triggers? So far the best trigger I own came with the firearm. Geissele SSA-E X with lighting bow.

    The trigger on my M&P 2.0? You mean my pistol that is one of the least expensive options in its category, one of the main selling points being that it's even cheaper than a Glock? Wait, why are we talking about what trigger a gun comes with to evaluate automobile oils? lol, what??

    Wait wait wait, you think an M&P 2.0 is the gun equivalent to a Ferrari, McLaren, Lamborghini? lolol

    You think the way a trigger feels is a matter of reliability? Seriously? Like, you think the reason people put an Apex trigger into an M&P is for reliability and durability? Since, ya know, that's why you choose oil.

    I was like...lol *facepalm*


    BTW: For an example, BCM ships with Slip 2000 EWL

    PS: You are disagreeing with me because I opposed the claim that there is one singular oil that is objectively superior to all others. You aren't doing a very good job, and talking about the subjective feels preference of triggers isn't doing you any favors
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    Originally Posted by taf1968 View Post
    When the university banned kegs in the fraternities (we had one tapped 24/7) and went to BYOB parties, we'd load up troughs with Keystone, Keystone Light, PBR and Old Milwaukee. Those were the days. Was a Taco Bell 2 houses down from the frat house.
    About the same here....remember Schuler’s? It was like a knock off Keystone. Also back in the days when Waffle House had AYCE. It’s a wonder I’m not 300lbs.
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    Originally Posted by PapaBurgandy View Post
    About the same here....remember Schuler’s? It was like a knock off Keystone. Also back in the days when Waffle House had AYCE. It’s a wonder I’m not 300lbs.
    This was a thing? Damn.
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    Originally Posted by PapaBurgandy View Post
    About the same here....remember Schuler’s? It was like a knock off Keystone. Also back in the days when Waffle House had AYCE. It’s a wonder I’m not 300lbs.
    Don't remember seeing Schuler's out here. Keystone being brand new and local was in high supply and cheap, so that was a go-to.

    If I didn't work out all the damn time in college, I would have been a mess. Beer, Taco Bell, a fraternity brother who worked the night shift at the 39c Hamburger Stand, the restaurants with fries and ranch dressing . . . good gawd.

    There was a local pasta place that did AYCE spaghetti night on Tues nights for $3.99. It was epic. Hour wait to get in starting at 4pm and went all night.
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    This was a thing? Damn.
    It was, and it was glorious.
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    It was, and it was glorious.
    Curses. I did get to hit a few Shoney's in my days though. Those were great.
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    is this a decent AR pistol for home defense?
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    is this a decent AR pistol for home defense?
    Given covid price hikes, I'd say it's a fine enough deal and as long as it goes bang it will work. For that price I doubt you will get a complete rifle for much less.
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    Given covid price hikes, I'd say it's a fine enough deal and as long as it goes bang it will work. For that price I doubt you will get a complete rifle for much less.
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    9.6"?

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    Originally Posted by IronILLinois View Post
    appreciate it guys. i keep going back and forth between putting together my own or buying a completed rifle. checking stock wherever i can all day everyday. too much stimulation...lol

    anytime i see something in stock i almost feel like i have to buy it but i have been resisting so far
    11.5" really is the best short, though if it's put together by somebody good (like, Daniel Defense, Geissele, etc) a 10.3/10.5 is okay

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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    11.5" really is the best short, though if it's put together by somebody good (like, Daniel Defense, Geissele, etc) a 10.3/10.5 is okay
    Given he said home defense I doubt an inch or 2 is going to matter, with distance not going past maybe 50 feet. I'd go for a little shorter for slightly better mobility through a door. Just my take though.

    I like my 7.5" but I'd never use it for home defense in CA, sticking to either my glock or shotgun rather than face weapons charges.
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    Originally Posted by gbullock32 View Post
    Given he said home defense I doubt an inch or 2 is going to matter, with distance not going past maybe 50 feet. I'd go for a little shorter for slightly better mobility through a door. Just my take though.

    I like my 7.5" but I'd never use it for home defense in CA, sticking to either my glock or shotgun rather than face weapons charges.
    i know California is even more commie than Illinois but we have preemption that classifies AR pistols as handguns here. Anything similar in CA?

    the law is very tricky here regarding AR pistols/ARs. my county is one of the worst in the Nation.
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    Originally Posted by IronILLinois View Post
    i know California is even more commie than Illinois but we have preemption that classifies AR pistols as handguns here. Anything similar in CA?

    the law is very tricky here regarding AR pistols/ARs. my county is one of the worst in the Nation.
    To have a legal AR pistol here it must have a fixed magazine, or be single shot.

    CA said a 'pistol' must have a magazine located in the grip of the gun.
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    Originally Posted by gbullock32 View Post
    Given he said home defense I doubt an inch or 2 is going to matter, with distance not going past maybe 50 feet. I'd go for a little shorter for slightly better mobility through a door. Just my take though.

    I like my 7.5" but I'd never use it for home defense in CA, sticking to either my glock or shotgun rather than face weapons charges.
    That's as much about reliability due to dwell 'time' as it is terminal performance, though. Carbine gas and 11.5" is the Goldilocks

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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    That's as much about reliability due to dwell 'time' as it is terminal performance, though. Carbine gas and 11.5" is the Goldilocks
    Haven't put too many rounds through my 7.5", maybe 1000 total but no issues with it. But a good point, better to be sure on cycling than chance it in a defense situation.
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    My 7.5" pistol with my muzzle brake on it is too much of a damn flamethrower and way too rowdy to use for indoor self defense. So much unburned powder escaping the barrel. Almost useless without my can on it:

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    Originally Posted by STYLINPROFILIN View Post
    My 7.5" pistol with my muzzle brake on it is too much of a damn flamethrower and way too rowdy to use for indoor self defense. So much unburned powder escaping the barrel. Almost useless without my can on it:

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    Originally Posted by BigCawkLarry777 View Post
    Are you guys still able to buy ammunition where you live?
    Yes, just not always readily available or cheap.
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    Originally Posted by BigCawkLarry777 View Post
    Are you guys still able to buy ammunition where you live?
    No but I have a decent amount on hand from the before times
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    Legit as any other 9mm subgub.

    I personally don’t have a use for a 9mm sub gun as a 11.5” AR fills the same role and is better at that role. Just my opinion.

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