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    Originally Posted by Aristotelian View Post
    "Tech simply isn't available"? The PS5 is going to use something in the area of the Samsung 970 Pro M2 I have, perhaps a 980 Evo equivalent on PCI-E 4.0 which again, I have...which tech 'isn't available yet'? Plenty of PS4 players have been on HDD all this time...they'll be the ones benefiting from this. That's about it. In all honesty your posts reek of chit posting / trolling...
    Correct me if i'm wrong but a quick google search shows

    PS5 speed is 5,000/5,000 MB/s with a max of 9,000MB/s

    970 is 3,500/3,300 MB/s
    980 is 6,500/5,000 MB/s writes

    ps5 looks to have almost 3x the speed at peak compared to a 970. a 980 looks the same but that tech 'isn't available yet'
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    Originally Posted by bartosh View Post
    Correct me if i'm wrong but a quick google search shows

    PS5 speed is 5,000/5,000 MB/s with a max of 9,000MB/s

    970 is 3,500/3,300 MB/s
    980 is 6,500/5,000 MB/s writes

    ps5 looks to have almost 3x the speed at peak compared to a 970. a 980 looks the same but that tech 'isn't available yet'
    To be clear:

    The PS5 is not released.
    The 980 Pro was announced at CES and is not yet available.
    It will be available to PC owners (like me) who can buy one and slot it into my PC.
    But anyone who has had a fast SSD for the past few years knows that the game-changing element is the fast SSD. You won't be able to discern between a 970 Pro and a 980 Pro during gaming.


    So how can anyone claim that it is the PS5 that is 'driving PC tech'? You think Samsung only made fast SSDs for consoles? It's about time that consoles came with SSD as standard but it's console tech that is having a generational leap here, not PCs. So arguing that somehow this amazing tech is not available to PCs is nonsensical. Or that it somehow 'drives PC tech'.
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    Originally Posted by Aristotelian View Post
    "Tech simply isn't available"? The PS5 is going to use something in the area of the Samsung 970 Pro M2 I have, perhaps a 980 Evo equivalent on PCI-E 4.0 which again, I have...which tech 'isn't available yet'? Plenty of PS4 players have been on HDD all this time...they'll be the ones benefiting from this. That's about it. In all honesty your posts reek of chit posting / trolling...
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    Are you actually retarded? Link me to a drive you can buy today for a PC that has PS5 speeds?

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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    Are you actually retarded? Link me to a drive you can buy today for a PC that has PS5 speeds?

    LoL@ being an upset PC Nerd.
    Link me to a PS5 that I can buy today so we can test its speeds against that of a PC.

    Who's the retard? Amazing to me that you dedicate so much of your life to chitposting about consoles lol.
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    Why don't Sony show a demo of stuff that can only be done with their Cerny sauce ssd
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    Originally Posted by Aristotelian View Post
    Link me to a PS5 that I can buy today so we can test its speeds against that of a PC.

    Who's the retard? Amazing to me that you dedicate so much of your life to chitposting about consoles lol.
    I mean it's disengenious phrasing by sony but what they said holds true


    They said: The ps5's speeds will be faster than anything available on the market at the time which they announced it. NOT faster than anything available on the market at the time when it sells

    Sony's statement is correct. You twisted theirs. Yours is correct as well but that's not what they said.

    Sony's driving pc tech is incorrect, unless they're using a technology that samsung isn't and samsung can leverage that tech to drive their 990 onwards
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    Originally Posted by Aristotelian View Post
    Link me to a PS5 that I can buy today so we can test its speeds against that of a PC.

    Who's the retard? Amazing to me that you dedicate so much of your life to chitposting about consoles lol.
    And my tech simply isn't available yet statement to the PC Nerd's coping hard AF acting like their current PC already has the tech still stands.

    If you could do your best to not be retarded that would be great.

    Originally Posted by Lord_Lemon View Post
    Why don't Sony show a demo of stuff that can only be done with their Cerny sauce ssd
    See this is why I don't buy the hype and I won't until something is realized in game design that can be done on PS5 and not on XseX.
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    Originally Posted by bartosh View Post
    I mean it's disengenious phrasing by sony but what they said holds true

    They said: The ps5's speeds will be faster than anything available on the market at the time which they announced it. NOT faster than anything available on the market at the time when it sells

    Sony's statement is correct. You twisted theirs. Yours is correct as well but that's not what they said.

    Sony's driving pc tech is incorrect, unless they're using a technology that samsung isn't and samsung can leverage that tech to drive their 990 onwards
    I'm not 'twisting' anything. The 980 Pro was announced at CES 2020, months before the PS5 launch. Marketing douches from any hardware company can talk about holy grails, but console minions (see below) latching onto synthetic benchmark results for SSDs just shows ignorance when it comes to hardware. That was designed for the PC, and first available on the PC. Simple as.


    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    And my tech simply isn't available yet statement to the PC Nerd's coping hard AF acting like their current PC already has the tech still stands. If you could do your best to not be retarded that would be great.
    What are you talking about? What is 'your tech'? CES 2020 came first, then rumors came that the PS5 would be using a 980 (not likely a Pro to keep costs down). PS5 shills crying "revolutionary tech!" without realizing: (i) what it is like to game on a fast SSD, which PC users have had for years; (ii) the negligible effect variance between fast SSDs has on gaming (look at storage review dot com...learn something pleb); and (iii) that this sort of hardware is not revolutionary for anyone but console users. Who simply aren't used to SSDs.

    It's as simple as that really. I mean, I'm not sure how many times I can explain this to you mgftp but yelling 'nerd' and 'coping' when PCs are - in every way, shape and form - better in terms of graphics and framerate, it is...shills like you who are 'coping hard'. PCs are faster. You don't want to pay the price to play? Don't, but you're the one coping about some kind of 'generational leap' lol.

    PS: My Sony Vaio Z 2012 had SSDs in RAID-0...it's 2020 now, welcome to the SSD club (this Christmas). F'n lol.
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    Why are these PC people so butt hurt constantly?

    Is it because they need to prove their $2,000 PC is better than a $500 console?

    Like holy fuk, everyone knows a top of the line PC will always be better, thats not the point
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    Originally Posted by MiamiLife305 View Post
    Why are these PC people so butt hurt constantly?

    Is it because they need to prove their $2,000 PC is better than a $500 console?

    Like holy fuk, everyone knows a top of the line PC will always be better, thats not the point
    Well dude you got Sony ponies desperately trying to cope with this chit, don't be trying to put it on others lol.
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    Originally Posted by JayJ350 View Post
    Well dude you got Sony ponies desperately trying to cope with this chit, don't be trying to put it on others lol.
    I see that as well

    Sony fanboys acting like a fast SSD is going to be everything and game changing, meanwhile they lag behind everything vs the Series X
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    Originally Posted by MiamiLife305 View Post
    I see that as well

    Sony fanboys acting like a fast SSD is going to be everything and game changing, meanwhile they lag behind everything vs the Series X
    Yeah pretty much. It's just tribalism bullchit at the end of the day. You got these whole hardcore camps of gamers and they are constantly trying to act like their favorite chit is better than all the other chit banking on online arguments and gamer bragging rights to cope with it. Sony ponies always banked on "muh powa" back when the PS4 and Xbox One launched, only to over the course of this generation lose that argument. Now that the PS5 is looking weak in comparison to the Xbox X they desperately need something, anything to brag about in order to feel like their chosen side is the best one.
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    Originally Posted by MiamiLife305 View Post
    Why are these PC people so butt hurt constantly?

    Is it because they need to prove their $2,000 PC is better than a $500 console?

    Like holy fuk, everyone knows a top of the line PC will always be better, thats not the point
    Most PC Gamers probably kept their virginity until they were 16 and settled with a fat chick. You'd be angry too.
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    ya'll just need to wait

    as far as i'm concerned theres no noticble difference/jump from a good SSD vs m.2 sata (really fast) drive for gaming.

    we are talking like 1-2 sec max on load time differences. the jump from mechanical hard drive was the major difference.
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    Originally Posted by MiamiLife305 View Post
    Why are these PC people so butt hurt constantly?

    Is it because they need to prove their $2,000 PC is better than a $500 console?

    Like holy fuk, everyone knows a top of the line PC will always be better, thats not the point
    Agreed, I am part of both PS4 and PC crew but just dont get the hate..

    I always own both a pc and console and never hate on the other because they offer different experiences lol
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    Originally Posted by MiamiLife305 View Post
    Why are these PC people so butt hurt constantly?

    Is it because they need to prove their $2,000 PC is better than a $500 console?

    Like holy fuk, everyone knows a top of the line PC will always be better, thats not the point
    I guess because...console people still haven't came to terms with that and make threads like this?

    PC master race and will likely buy a PS5 too, but...let's be fukign realistic about things lol.
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    And my tech simply isn't available yet statement to the PC Nerd's coping hard AF acting like their current PC already has the tech still stands.
    https://wccftech.com/scorn-developer...-biggest-leap/

    You were saying? Inb4 the next console CPUs will be so much faster than current desktop CPUs, LOL.
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    Originally Posted by MiamiLife305 View Post
    Why are these PC people so butt hurt constantly?

    Is it because they need to prove their $2,000 PC is better than a $500 console?

    Like holy fuk, everyone knows a top of the line PC will always be better, thats not the point
    This. "BRB the new PS5 only has the graphics equivalent of a RTX 2070". For $500? The 2070 is damned near a $500 card alone.
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    Originally Posted by Aristotelian View Post
    https://wccftech.com/scorn-developer...-biggest-leap/

    You were saying? Inb4 the next console CPUs will be so much faster than current desktop CPUs, LOL.
    It's impossible to be as stupid as you are presenting.
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    Originally Posted by MiamiLife305 View Post
    Why are these PC people so butt hurt constantly?
    Well, who is really butthurt when it comes to reality?

    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    Most PC Gamers probably kept their virginity until they were 16 and settled with a fat chick. You'd be angry too.
    This guy sounds mad, and ironically:

    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    It's impossible to be as stupid as you are presenting.
    He is so ignorant about hardware development that he thinks the PS5 will have 'revolutionary hardware'. I posted a link which ethers him and people who think like him.

    And now, pepper yourself pleb:

    https://www.dsogaming.com/news/epic-...book-at-1440p/

    Quote:

    "Earlier this week, Epic Games presented an amazing tech demo of Unreal Engine 5 on PS5. That demo was running at 1440p with 30fps and looked spectacular. However, that same demo can already run with 40fps on an NVIDIA RTX2080 notebook at 1440p."

    And yet:

    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    And my tech simply isn't available yet statement to the PC Nerd's coping hard AF acting like their current PC already has the tech still stands. If you could do your best to not be retarded that would be great.
    Who is coping? Tech 'isn't available', what now? Running that tech demo on a notebook faster than a PS5? How stupid are you? Yikes!
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    Originally Posted by Aristotelian View Post
    Well, who is really butthurt when it comes to reality?



    This guy sounds mad, and ironically:



    He is so ignorant about hardware development that he thinks the PS5 will have 'revolutionary hardware'. I posted a link which ethers him and people who think like him.

    And now, pepper yourself pleb:

    https://www.dsogaming.com/news/epic-...book-at-1440p/

    Quote:

    "Earlier this week, Epic Games presented an amazing tech demo of Unreal Engine 5 on PS5. That demo was running at 1440p with 30fps and looked spectacular. However, that same demo can already run with 40fps on an NVIDIA RTX2080 notebook at 1440p."

    And yet:



    Who is coping? Tech 'isn't available', what now? Running that tech demo on a notebook faster than a PS5? How stupid are you? Yikes!
    So you can;t even comprehend the tech that is being referenced.

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    Originally Posted by Aristotelian View Post
    Well, who is really butthurt when it comes to reality?



    This guy sounds mad, and ironically:



    He is so ignorant about hardware development that he thinks the PS5 will have 'revolutionary hardware'. I posted a link which ethers him and people who think like him.

    And now, pepper yourself pleb:

    https://www.dsogaming.com/news/epic-...book-at-1440p/

    Quote:

    "Earlier this week, Epic Games presented an amazing tech demo of Unreal Engine 5 on PS5. That demo was running at 1440p with 30fps and looked spectacular. However, that same demo can already run with 40fps on an NVIDIA RTX2080 notebook at 1440p."

    And yet:



    Who is coping? Tech 'isn't available', what now? Running that tech demo on a notebook faster than a PS5? How stupid are you? Yikes!
    I think Tim Sweeney said it wasn't running on a notebook but just playing an .mp4 on the notebook.
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    Originally Posted by Lord_Lemon View Post
    I think Tim Sweeney said it wasn't running on a notebook but just playing an .mp4 on the notebook.
    Then what is the video of? The ps5 can only do 30fps and quotes from the unreal devs state 40fps on rtx2080 laptop.

    Edit: I hope you're not referencing a single anonymous comment lol
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    Originally Posted by rectifryer View Post
    Then what is the video of? The ps5 can only do 30fps and quotes from the unreal devs state 40fps on rtx2080 laptop.

    Edit: I hope you're not referencing a single anonymous comment lol




    Someone is wrong or lying or mistranslated
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    Originally Posted by Lord_Lemon View Post
    Someone is wrong or lying or mistranslated
    It could very well be - I tried to find the source on Epic China's twitter and the Epic China developer's tweets are still there but not the video for a re-examination.

    But let's take a step back and let me ask you (all) a simple question:

    "If it is true that the PS5 will be so far beyond high end PCs using 'tech' (not software or platform optimizations specific to the PS5), then why does Tim Sweeney say the below?"



    Points:

    1. See how 'high end PCs' are on the same level as next gen consoles?
    2. See how PCI-E 4.0 SSDs are already available for PCs (as in, I could slot one into my PC right now if I felt like it)?

    but:

    3. See how people (PC Master Race) who have experience with fast SSDs sift through 'lol gaming loading times lol' marketing chit since we know that using synthetic benchmarks to talk about theoretical transfer rates isn't what drives FPS?

    We really going to compare console vs PC load times in games?

    This is my general point in this thread. And it is coming from someone who will by a PS5 (max version) on day 1.
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    Originally Posted by Lord_Lemon View Post




    Someone is wrong or lying or mistranslated
    huh. Then how TF did 40fps even get into the discussion. Tis mystery.

    Edit here's the quote from epic:. Our goal is that the graphic quality like this demo, we want to make it run 60FPS at next-gen consoles. But now we do not reach the goal. Now it is 30FPS. Our target is 60FPS, that is also why we can not release it now. And I can assure you that we can run this demo in our notebook, in editor , not cooked, it even can 40FPS. (Afterwards someone in BBS confirmed that the device is RTX2080 and 970EVO)”

    Tim is just wrong...lol at epic working themselves to shill for Sony. You can't trust anyone in this industry.
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    Originally Posted by Aristotelian View Post
    It could very well be - I tried to find the source on Epic China's twitter and the Epic China developer's tweets are still there but not the video for a re-examination.

    But let's take a step back and let me ask you (all) a simple question:

    "If it is true that the PS5 will be so far beyond high end PCs using 'tech' (not software or platform optimizations specific to the PS5), then why does Tim Sweeney say the below?"

    [img]https://i.imgur.com/oa9TQY2.jpg[img]

    Points:

    1. See how 'high end PCs' are on the same level as next gen consoles?
    2. See how PCI-E 4.0 SSDs are already available for PCs (as in, I could slot one into my PC right now if I felt like it)?

    but:

    3. See how people (PC Master Race) who have experience with fast SSDs sift through 'lol gaming loading times lol' marketing chit since we know that using synthetic benchmarks to talk about theoretical transfer rates isn't what drives FPS?

    We really going to compare console vs PC load times in games?

    This is my general point in this thread. And it is coming from someone who will by a PS5 (max version) on day 1.
    There's nothing spectacular about PS5's SSD as far as advancing anything other than it's an amazing price/performance ratio and should along with SX, usher in a new generation in game design with ssd being a standard and requirement and its inclusion in console bring the cost down as well.
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    Originally Posted by Lord_Lemon View Post
    There's nothing spectacular about PS5's SSD as far as advancing anything other than it's an amazing price/performance ratio and should along with SX, usher in a new generation in game design with ssd being a standard and requirement and its inclusion in console bring the cost down as well.
    Right. I mean there is of course platform specific advantages in terms of I/O and that's not up for debate, but what I have normally enjoyed in the past is:

    1) boost console hardware; then
    2) developers become more ambitious with games (simpliciter)

    And that's good for all gamers. I won't lie - I mean the SSD probably won't be a Pro equivalent, rather a QVO for price. But I was hoping that this console generation would be more ambitious in terms of mainstreaming 4k/60fps. All else being equal (e.g., gameplay) I think graphics help with 'immersion'.

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    It doesn't look good at all.

    Its super basic.

    Pretty much all it is is detailed rocks and texture. Nothing new. Actual games won't contain that much detail. Its just an Tomb Raider/Uncharted style cheating load where there's no game or game world beyond what is on rails so they can optimize it but full RPGs and game worlds in real time won't look like that.

    And it doesn't even look that good. We are and have been at our limit. The whole reason RTX is being pushed anyway, its gonna take a long time for the next step.

    Glad to hear it makes the game design easier though.

    This will be like the 3rd generation in a row where the step up is marginal and it will continue to be that way until like 3 generations from now.

    Theres only so much you can fit in there.

    The most I could see was some filters that gave the illusion of photo realism in some moments but that's just filters. underneath its the same ol same ol
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