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    Prime george foreman vs Prime Deontay wilder

    If these 2 fought who would win and why?

    I'd say george foreman KO round 5
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    It's easy to chit on Wilder right now b/c recency bias and he's at a low ebb. That being said, I think Foreman could take on any heavyweight running around today. Fury's freakazoid size might pose some issues, but to be honest, the talent pool these days is so thin that I don't think any OGs would struggle against modern day champions. Yesterday's journeymen are today's stars. Wilder is being pushed as a heavyweight contender, and he literally doesn't know how to box. He's got nothing but a right hand and that's enough to make him the #2 fighter in the world.

    Styles make fights, so maybe a guy like Tyson wouldn't do well against Fury's freakish length, and Wilder does have a one-hitter quitter that has the potential to drop anyone. But with that being said, if you pitted any OG heavyweight contender against any modern day heavyweight, I'm betting on the OG name unseen.
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    George, of course. You are comparing a good modern boxer with a legendary boxer. George fought during a heavyweight golden era when the competition in boxing was at it's height. Ali, Holmes, Frasier, Lyle, Foreman, Shavers...legends. The heavyweight division has been in a decline since the 1990's.
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    Foreman beats him without too much difficulty. Foreman's heavy jab, the way he framed opponents and moved opponents into positions much like Fury did in the rematch would see Wilder, backed up, manhandled and beat down. Probably doesn't go beyond 3 rounds. That right hand Fury dropped him with from Foreman would of ended the fight right there. Wilder has never faced a puncher like Foreman.
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    Muhammad Ali vs Prince Naseem herp derp who would win.
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    Foreman vs Holyfield was hnnnnnnnngh



    both of these guys were scary AF
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    Originally Posted by AWillis View Post
    Foreman vs Holyfield was hnnnnnnnngh



    both of these guys were scary AF
    Yes. One of the best fights in history and does not get the credit it deserves....but then again Holyfield never quite got the recognition that he should have. one of the greatest in history IMO.
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    Originally Posted by FAPhaggot View Post
    It's easy to chit on Wilder right now b/c recency bias and he's at a low ebb. That being said, I think Foreman could take on any heavyweight running around today. Fury's freakazoid size might pose some issues, but to be honest, the talent pool these days is so thin that I don't think any OGs would struggle against modern day champions. Yesterday's journeymen are today's stars. Wilder is being pushed as a heavyweight contender, and he literally doesn't know how to box. He's got nothing but a right hand and that's enough to make him the #2 fighter in the world.

    Styles make fights, so maybe a guy like Tyson wouldn't do well against Fury's freakish length, and Wilder does have a one-hitter quitter that has the potential to drop anyone. But with that being said, if you pitted any OG heavyweight contender against any modern day heavyweight, I'm betting on the OG name unseen.
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    With boxing one can never be shure. I am far from an expert but styles make fights.

    As far as I know Foreman's Fighting Style depended a lot on using his size and reach to shove his oponents out of position and than hitting hitting them with hooks and bodyshots from the side if they stood in an awkward position. He also drove them into the corner, where they are exposed to his superior strength.
    Wilder is a weird fighter. He throws his entire body behind any of his punches not giving a damn about stance or posture. But he is good and strong enough to punch holes into his oponents defense to make that technique viable.
    In the end I guess Foreman might get in to apply some deadly hooks, but getting close vs someone with more reach, who punches even harder than him, before getting mauled isn't that easy. Since Wilder loves to bring himself out of position with overcomitting his swings and Foreman loves to hit out of position fighters from the side, I think there is one huge weakness for Foreman to exploit.
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    Originally Posted by AWillis View Post
    Foreman vs Holyfield was hnnnnnnnngh



    both of these guys were scary AF
    Dear lord @ Holyfield's quickness.
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    Originally Posted by KirkMcquest View Post
    Yes. One of the best fights in history and does not get the credit it deserves....but then again Holyfield never quite got the recognition that he should have. one of the greatest in history IMO.
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    Muhammad Ali vs Prince Naseem herp derp who would win.
    You're comparing a heavyweight to a featherweight lolwat
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    Virtually every modern athlete is better than their counterpart from 20 years ago. The athletes are closer to the skill cap.
    The best X weightclass boxer now is better than the best 20 years ago with few exceptions across all sports. The exceptions are those who were 20-50 years ahead of their time and basically a genetic freak who also happened to be birthed into a sport exactly suited to them.

    Prime Mike Tyson would likely only have a 50/50 chance of winning at best.
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    Originally Posted by untranslatedZA View Post
    Virtually every modern athlete is better than their counterpart from 20 years ago. The athletes are closer to the skill cap.
    The best X weightclass boxer now is better than the best 20 years ago with few exceptions across all sports. The exceptions are those who were 20-50 years ahead of their time and basically a genetic freak who also happened to be birthed into a sport exactly suited to them.

    Prime Mike Tyson would likely only have a 50/50 chance of winning at best.
    I disagree completely.

    Firstly boxing is very different to most sports and i'd say current boxers in many ways are arguably worse

    secondly i'd argue that no, athletes haven't gotten that much better, they just have much better equipment and other things to help them.
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    Originally Posted by untranslatedZA View Post
    Virtually every modern athlete is better than their counterpart from 20 years ago. The athletes are closer to the skill cap.
    The best X weightclass boxer now is better than the best 20 years ago with few exceptions across all sports. The exceptions are those who were 20-50 years ahead of their time and basically a genetic freak who also happened to be birthed into a sport exactly suited to them.

    Prime Mike Tyson would likely only have a 50/50 chance of winning at best.
    I can see how training could improve with time, but I'd still put elite past boxers like say Foreman and Holyfield, and definitely the real freaks like Tyson and Ali, up against anyone today.

    Boxing was a top 3 biggest sport in America back in the 1970s, even in the 80s and 90s it was going strong. There was crazy money and household-name kind of fame for anyone who could be a contender, so you had top athletes training in the sport and a steady pool of talent.

    Nowadays, combat sports are an afterthought. I don't know the numbers for boxing, but fighting a top-card PPV bout in UFC pays about $300K. Being drafted as a 7th round pick in the NFL pays $400K per season, and even a low-end starter can make $5 million a year. So any athlete who has a shot at making the NFL goes to the NFL. Hell, Deontay Wilder was a juco football player before he discovered his boxing talent.

    And the same thing I'm saying goes for the NBA too. The only guys who go into fighting sports these days are alcoholic degenerate leprechauns or 3rd worlders too simplistic and hardcore to know what soccer is - the only sport they know of is wrestling each other to death.

    Athletes have got better through the years, but I will take the scariest dudes of 1970 up against juco football players today. The one real freak athlete that boxing has going is Tyson Fury. I think his combo of 6'9" 270 + great agility for his size + decent technique would be a problem for any heavyweight in history. Not insurmountable, but none of your golden age boxers would have ever dealt with a guy that freaking big before.
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    Originally Posted by Brandonrhyse View Post
    I disagree completely.

    Firstly boxing is very different to most sports and i'd say current boxers in many ways are arguably worse

    secondly i'd argue that no, athletes haven't gotten that much better, they just have much better equipment and other things to help them.
    If you want to fill that notion up with all sorts of good science.

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    Originally Posted by mrtheend View Post
    If you want to fill that notion up with all sorts of good science.

    https://www.ted.com/talks/david_epst...er?language=en

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8COaMKbNrX0
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