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    Originally Posted by InVentive44 View Post
    Coworker suffered a collapsed lung today and he has previously suffered this a couple years ago as well. The hospital is treating this as a severe COVID case LOL at this ****ing fake BS
    they are not doing a swab test to confirm? Covid is real, but the games being played by the medical industry is real as chit too
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    Best thing to do is stop paying attention and go about your business. Wear a mask if you have to and keep living life. Lol at listening to the news and latest BS, media and the government are doing their best to scare you and control you.
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    Originally Posted by XPmpnII View Post
    mirin the alpha leaders in Florida responsible for opening the whole state back up at full capacity with no restrictions

    Meanwhile governor of my state thinks we should keep mask mandate going until there’s a vaccine 🤡
    I'm so tired of governments not having plans and just relying on a vaccine to become available as if it's a guarantee. So you're telling me if there's never a vaccine bars will never reopen, pro sports will cease to exist with fans, masks forever, etc? Good luck with that. Everyone except maybe some nutjobs on reddit saying we need to lockdown forever would riot.
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    Wait until covid is gone and the next flu season comes, it will be wear mask!
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    Originally Posted by LizzieTish View Post
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    Educate yourself. Stop embarrassing the human race with your intentional ignorance

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2020...-data-we-have/

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    Originally Posted by HockeyBacon18 View Post
    this is the issue with having art major "journalists" reporting on science issues.

    COVID is mutating to bypass mask issues, because the strongest "strains" of the virus are the only ones that are able to infect with everyone social distancing and wearing masks.

    Therefore it is those strains that are dominating cases and are reproducing and are subsequently spread.

    As the weaker strains are no longer able to reproduce, the stronger strains effectively become the new "mutated" strain as it is now dominant.

    The good side of this is that these new "stronger" strains are not more lethal, just better at replicating itself
    Yes, that's how it works.

    Originally Posted by badbart View Post
    Best thing to do is stop paying attention and go about your business. Wear a mask if you have to and keep living life. Lol at listening to the news and latest BS, media and the government are doing their best to scare you and control you.
    And this is mostly what I'm doing myself. Have been for some time.

    I read the letter and some of it is fair, some of it seems biased. Could partially be differences between the US and Belgium. Really the only thing I've stood by long term is wearing a mask when you are inside a building around other people, even though it sucks. And practically speaking you can't even do that 100% of the time because sometimes you need to do things that requires your face being uncovered (eating, dentist, medical stuff).

    I can say that I don't think it is going away anytime soon.

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    Of the 31 509 people selected for testing on June 15, 2020, 28 503 were tested in July, 2020 (figure 1), with 25 217 (88·5%) tested in the first 2 weeks (appendix p 4). The sampling was representative of the US dialysis patient distribution by age, sex, race and ethnicity (when excluding patients without race and ethnicity data), and region, except sampled patients were less likely to be non-Hispanic Black (table 1). Compared with the US adult population, our sampled patient population was older, had more men, and was more likely to be non-Hispanic Black and living in non-white neighbourhoods (table 1). A greater proportion of our sampled population and the US dialysis population lived in the west, and a lower proportion lived in the midwest, compared with the US adult population. Patients in our sample lived in 46 states and in 1013 (32%) of 3141 US counties (appendix p 6).
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...009-2/fulltext

    Based on this study herd immunity isn't even close. From that thread on another forum:

    Posted: 9/27/2020 10:00:35 AM EDT
    One of the largest most meticulously reviewed seroprevalence studies done to date.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l.../PIIS0140-6736

    8-9% nationwide. Varies from 3-4% in the least hit areas out West to 27-28% in the hardest hit areas in the Northeast.

    We're nowhere near herd immunity. Anywhere. Anyone who brings it up as a current day reality or a near term possibility is an imbecile.
    Posted: 9/27/2020 10:11:33 AM EDT
    Just some back of the napkin math based on that seroprevalence.

    US Population (330M) * 9% seroprevalence = 29.7M infected.
    209K dead / 29.7M infected = 0.7% IFR (Probably actually a little higher than this is you look at Excess Deaths over last 6 months.)

    US Population (330M) * Herd Immunity Threshold (70%) * IFR (0.7%) = 1.63M dead if left unchecked.

    That's more than the total number of Americans killed in all wars from the Revolutionary War to the present.
    What is different now is that we seem to have some effective treatments and some clue about why some young healthy people are getting wrecked and not just old/fat/sick people:

    https://www.rockefeller.edu/news/291...une-condition/

    So I guess the biggest ongoing concern is the potential for long term effects reducing productivity and quality of life for a significant number of those that have been ill. At this point I've only seen theories on that.

    Until the immune system component can be nailed down and screened for + whatever is up with long haulers avoiding infection still seems to be the best course.
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    Originally Posted by katya422 View Post
    Yes, that's how it works.



    And this is mostly what I'm doing myself. Have been for some time.

    I read the letter and some of it is fair, some of it seems biased. Could partially be differences between the US and Belgium. Really the only thing I've stood by long term is wearing a mask when you are inside a building around other people, even though it sucks. And practically speaking you can't even do that 100% of the time because sometimes you need to do things that requires your face being uncovered (eating, dentist, medical stuff).

    I can say that I don't think it is going away anytime soon.



    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...009-2/fulltext

    Based on this study herd immunity isn't even close. From that thread on another forum:





    What is different now is that we seem to have some effective treatments and some clue about why some young healthy people are getting wrecked and not just old/fat/sick people:

    https://www.rockefeller.edu/news/291...une-condition/

    So I guess the biggest ongoing concern is the potential for long term effects reducing productivity and quality of life for a significant number of those that have been ill. At this point I've only seen theories on that.

    Until the immune system component can be nailed down and screened for + whatever is up with long haulers avoiding infection still seems to be the best course.
    whats the % needed to reach herd immunity and how was that conclusion formed?
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    The COVID-19 death rate is higher in European countries with a low flu intensity since 2018, says a working paper by Chris Hope of Cambridge Judge Business School.
    https://www.jbs.cam.ac.uk/insight/20...d-coronavirus/

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    There will never be herd immunity. 0.82% of all COVID deaths (as of June) are from anyone 34 years old or younger. You are not going to get herd immunity on a virus that only kills the old, sick, infirmed and/or morbidly ill to begin with. Not on a novel corona virus, anyway.
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    Cases had been spiking here (largest numbers around universities) and hospitalizations are up a bit. But still nowhere near problematic at this point. I don't know if we'll get any details on the wider testing in my daughter's dorm, but she and all her roommates came back negative. That was her 3rd test in 3 weeks (one to be allowed to move in, one random test, and then this latest one due to wastewater testing). Curious to see if they ever come out and say how many positives actually resulted from that.

    https://www.denverpost.com/2020/09/2...up-cases-rise/

    The number of people hospitalized with confirmed cases of COVID-19 rose more than 15% in Colorado over the past week, while cases increased more modestly than they did last week.

    The Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment reported 177 people were receiving hospital care for confirmed COVID-19 on Monday, up from 152 a week earlier — an increase of 16.4%.

    It’s not yet clear if young people, who accounted for a high percentage of new cases recently, are starting to get sick enough to need hospital care, or if they might have passed the virus to higher-risk age groups, said Beth Carlton, an associate professor of environmental and occupational health at the Colorado School of Public Health.

    “Any increase in hospitalizations is concerning,” she said. “The good news is we’re still nowhere near hospital capacity.”

    Statewide, about 3.4% of tests came back positive over the previous three days, indicating that there’s enough testing at a high level. Experts generally consider a rate below 5% a sign that a state is doing enough testing.
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    Originally Posted by sfgiants13 View Post
    I'm so tired of governments not having plans and just relying on a vaccine to become available as if it's a guarantee. So you're telling me if there's never a vaccine bars will never reopen
    I mean, we've had bars open for some time now. Are bars still shut down in WA?

    Admittedly, we just had the largest outbreak yet rip through every bar in my town because a bunch of low-IQ short order cooks and servers decided to smoke a bowl together and it's 50/50 whether or not we're now spiraling into an entire winter of chaotic bullchit for it, but still. Bars are open.
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    There will never be herd immunity. 0.82% of all COVID deaths (as of June) are from anyone 34 years old or younger. You are not going to get herd immunity on a virus that only kills the old, sick, infirmed and/or morbidly ill to begin with. Not on a novel corona virus, anyway.
    what of the millions that get it and recover?
    Surely they are unable to spread it for months, if not longer
    For every recovery, it’s a dominoe in the transmission chain that is removed

    Where did sars go?
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    IKR?

    HIV tests are a joke. If it was bad, we wouldn't have to test for it, I mean, come on
    The difference you don't realize is that COVID19 is temporary infection. Like all other coronaviruses, rhinoviruses, influenza

    lol

    And HIV only affects a certain population. So unless you're a phag boy having raw grindr anal sex, HIV will not affect you.

    b-b-b-b-but straight men can get HIV!!!!!
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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    Where did sars go?
    We're back discussing March topics yet again I see


    SARS:
    *Was symptomatic before it was contagious
    *Symptoms were bad enough people knew they were sick and shouldn't go out and people recognized them as sick
    *Originated at a time and place with free reporting and no cover up so contract tracing was viable from the word GO, and it was done, to the point of intercepting people as they got off a plane in another country because they were traced as exposed before they took off
    *Total, GLOBAL, ALL-TIME SARS: 8,098 reported cases of SARS and 774 deaths
    *We got lucky, traced the contracts, locked people into quarantine, recognized symptoms, and took it out of circulation

    Originally Posted by awwchit2 View Post
    The difference you don't realize is that COVID19 is temporary infection. Like all other coronaviruses, rhinoviruses, influenza

    lol

    And HIV only affects a certain population. So unless you're a phag boy having raw grindr anal sex, HIV will not affect you.

    b-b-b-b-but straight men can get HIV!!!!!
    Like I said, you know HIV is a joke because you have to test to know if you have it. If it mattered, you could tell who had it. Just like the implication for covid. Try to keep up
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    Pretty much everything I predicted, has come true. We are entering the dark age, and the age of disease. It was all predicted in old hindu texts. We´re in the age of Kali Yuga.

    "Hindus believe that human civilization degenerates spiritually during the Kali Yuga. Common attributes and consequences are spiritual bankruptcy, mindless hedonism, breakdown of all social structure, greed and materialism, unrestricted egotism, afflictions and maladies of mind and body."


    People will no longer get married and live with each other just for sexual pleasure.
    Weather and environment will degrade with time and frequent and unpredictable rainfalls will happen.
    Earthquakes will be common.
    Maximum age of humans will be 50 years by the end of Kali Yuga.
    Many fake ideologies will spread throughout the world.
    The powerful people will dominate the poor people.
    Many diseases will spread.
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    Out of 2,000 tests done at my daughter's university in the last 7 days, they had 25 positives. Positivity rate <1.5%. Colorado State found all of 9 positive cases so far after locking down 900 students in 2 dorms over the weekend. Both of those were triggered by wastewater testing hinting at breakouts in those dorms.

    That's almost certainly going to be rinse-repeat as the school year progresses. Random testing is going on anyway and then they'll test the sewage and no doubt find some signs . . . then test entire dorms again.
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    We're back discussing March topics yet again I see


    SARS:
    *Was symptomatic before it was contagious
    *Symptoms were bad enough people knew they were sick and shouldn't go out and people recognized them as sick
    *Originated at a time and place with free reporting and no cover up so contract tracing was viable from the word GO, and it was done, to the point of intercepting people as they got off a plane in another country because they were traced as exposed before they took off
    *Total, GLOBAL, ALL-TIME SARS: 8,098 reported cases of SARS and 774 deaths
    *We got lucky, traced the contracts, locked people into quarantine, recognized symptoms, and took it out of circulation



    Like I said, you know HIV is a joke because you have to test to know if you have it. If it mattered, you could tell who had it. Just like the implication for covid. Try to keep up
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    So apparently Trump has covid. This should be interesting...
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    Actual CDC graphic pushed out in an email, again.

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    If men are the alpha sex, why are we more prone to complications from covid?
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    So apparently Trump has covid. This should be interesting...
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    Would like to point out that Trump is taking Remdesivir and not HCQ.

    Been saying it since February, Remdesivir is what you want, not HCQ.
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    How many months has it been since you ran out of anything substantive to post? lol you're a half step behind our resident antivax psycho
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    Combining trial data suggests hydroxychloroquine benefit

    In a series of randomized controlled trials, the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine did not show a statistically significant impact on the prevention or treatment of COVID-19. But when data from five of those trials were combined, researchers found that early use of the drug by people who were not hospitalized yielded a statistically significant 24% reduction in risk of infection, hospitalization or death. "The meta-analysis pools together the studies and increases statistical power," said Dr. Joseph Ladapo of the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA, coauthor of a report posted on Wednesday on medRxiv ahead of peer review. But a weakness of the meta-analysis, Ladapo acknowledged, is that infections, hospitalizations and deaths were grouped together into a "composite outcome." Combining all those events into one big number makes it more likely researchers will find that treatment had a significant effect. Coauthor Dr. Harvey Risch of the Yale School of Public Health noted that seven nonrandomized controlled trials have also shown "statistically significant reduced risks with early outpatient use of hydroxychloroquine." Along with the meta-analysis, he told Reuters, "This is extremely strong evidence of benefit." (https://bit.ly/2SlHEeE)
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    I remember some idiot telling me india didn’t have the means to accurately track/count covid cases and deaths

    Here’s a comprehensive study that contact traced over half a million people, in 2 of the largest Indian states, and The researchers found that 71% of cases did not result in secondary transmission. The researchers estimate that 8% of COVID cases accounted for 60% of transmission, providing further evidence that super-spreading events play a major role in the pandemic.

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    "Only 17.9% of COVID-19 deaths occurring on or before 1 August, 2020 were among individuals ages ≥75 years"

    "Last, our analyses of fatal outcomes reveal an overall case-fatality ratio of 2.1%. "

    Some solid panicel data from the resident expert.

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