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    How are stocks going up when unemployment is at an all time high?

    Something just isnt adding up here. Unemployment is in the millions weekly yet the stock market is going up?

    What is really happening here? This seems like market manipulation or something that just will not sustain itself over the course of the next few weeks.

    You cant really have one without the other correct?
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    pretty much sums it up
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    It's also faith in the US economy and it's ability to recover from this. This price dump was basically just a discount, and the smart money was scaling in all the way down. Now that the clouds are starting to dissipate, plenty of people will be buying in.
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    Just because corporations make $$$, does not mean average people will have access to it. Stock price is based on future company profits
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    Think of it like this:

    A dollar today is worth slightly more to someone than a dollar next year, and much more than a dollar in ten years.

    So the expectations for a company's performance over different time periods get priced in to varying degrees.

    Yes, the company is still in trouble today, but most investors realized it would be in trouble weeks ago and priced that in. Now markets are reacting to new information about the future.

    Yes, everybody is still out of work, but people are starting to make more hopeful guesses about when they will go back. The market will take a dump again if those hopes are dashed, not when the fears everyone already anticipated came true.
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    it takes a bit of time for things to kick in:



    This can be put down to:
    - People exhausting their rainy savings (which props things up in the short term), but spending dries up after 1 or more months.
    - May take some time for the decreased spending to ripple through the supply chain
    - Various measures that have essnetially put things on-hold or kicked the can down the road but can't last forever i.e. rent relief, eviction protection, low-income subsidy, small business stiumulus

    + countless others

    Likely 30% employment + a complete shutdown of the economy for months on end must equate to a downturn (which we will inflate/hyperinflate out of through QE but in terms of 'real' economic growth, the recession will last some time).
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    They don't just use middle class tax dollars to keep the poor happy with welfare, they also use your tax dollars to buy up stocks to keep rich people happy. It's like welfare for the upper class
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    Imagine you're some greedy fukk CEO who ran your company worse than most miscers run their checking accounts. You cashed out bigly, pumped your options with buybacks, saved almost zero cash, lived on super risky debt deals, etc.

    ... And Daddy Trump came and said, "no big deal, taxpayers will bail you out. Fukk them, amirite!? ZERO punishment for acting like a retart. UNLIMITED QE for errry billionaire!"

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    Imagine you're some greedy fukk CEO who ran your company worse than most miscers run their checking accounts. You cashed out bigly, pumped your options with buybacks, saved almost zero cash, lived on super risky debt deals, etc.

    ... And Daddy Trump came and said, "no big deal, taxpayers will bail you out. Fukk them, amirite!? ZERO punishment for acting like a retart. UNLIMITED QE for errry billionaire!"

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    Imagine being Jeff Bezos and trying to hire 100,000 more people during this pandemic. Currently they've filled 80,000 of those jobs. If he's smart enough to create a company that's pandemic proof, he deserves his billions.
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    Powell talked today about things not resuming until June, Mnuchin thinks we can be open next month. There's a clear disconnect right now and it's triggering a lot of volatility due to the uncertainty. The trillions of dollars the fed is pumping gives us a positive outlook long term, however it's clear there will be lasting issues that this pandemic is creating for companies. Nobody really knows, but I believe we'll see another leg down. This uncertainty in the markets caused from the pandemic, Saudi/Russian oil crisis, and OPEC will result in waves. Earnings is going to be a wild ride.
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    Originally Posted by jmoneyjumpman View Post
    Powell talked today about things not resuming until June, Mnuchin thinks we can be open next month. There's a clear disconnect right now and it's triggering a lot of volatility due to the uncertainty. The trillions of dollars the fed is pumping gives us a positive outlook long term, however it's clear there will be lasting issues that this pandemic is creating for companies. Nobody really knows, but I believe we'll see another leg down. This uncertainty in the markets caused from the pandemic, Saudi/Russian oil crisis, and OPEC will result in waves, earnings is going to be a wild ride.
    Neither of those guys are doctors. What the **** do they know?
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    this. look at what gold did today.
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    a lot of the top companies are not affected
    and the stimulus.
    people are also seeing that the virus isnt as scary as they say and getting used to lockdown life/want to go back to work.
    They feel the bottom was already in so they rebought
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    Neither of those guys are doctors. What the **** do they know?
    Do doctors know how the federal banking system works more than the chairmen of the federal reserve and the secretary of the treasury?
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    im only down like 6% now. almost can make my money back.
    once things start back up, its only a matter of time
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    Because it took a huge drop, but they know it's going to rebound, now is the time to invest.
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    Originally Posted by jmoneyjumpman View Post
    Do doctors know how the federal banking system works more than the chairmen of the federal reserve and the secretary of the treasury?
    Yeah I don't see doctors comment on the federal banking system much.

    Maybe business people shouldn't comment on how long COVID-19 will last.
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    Originally Posted by johnnydeep1 View Post
    Yeah I don't see doctors comment on the federal banking system much.

    Maybe business people shouldn't comment on how long COVID-19 will last.
    It seems like you're in the wrong thread or something. We're talking about stocks in here pal not covid.
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    Originally Posted by Nicklol View Post
    im only down like 6% now. almost can make my money back.
    once things start back up, its only a matter of time
    thinking of just getting out and playing these dips
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    Dumb millenials and Gen Z pumping all their Starcucks earned money into the stock market thinking they are alphas.

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    it takes a bit of time for things to kick in:



    This can be put down to:
    - People exhausting their rainy savings (which props things up in the short term), but spending dries up after 1 or more months.
    - May take some time for the decreased spending to ripple through the supply chain
    - Various measures that have essnetially put things on-hold or kicked the can down the road but can't last forever i.e. rent relief, eviction protection, low-income subsidy, small business stiumulus

    + countless others

    Likely 30% employment + a complete shutdown of the economy for months on end must equate to a downturn (which we will inflate/hyperinflate out of through QE but in terms of 'real' economic growth, the recession will last some time).
    I saw the last two recessions. The most recent one was the one that hit most of my cohort. It takes time to come in. The smartest people will trade actively now (i.e. gambling) and not hold. The market will trend down overall. Those people who bought anything after the market high in Feb will need the market to recover by 200-400% when it bottoms out. This is why the wealthy get wealthier. LOL at looking at successes such as the strongest weak since 1974 IF YOU ARE STILL HOLDING - this only means you paid a premium.
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    Government pumping trillions into the economy????


    Average citizen expecting massive inflation on their dollars forcing them into the stock market to avoid massive devaluation of every dollar they worked their entire lives for? Where else are they “safe”?????


    Just lol. The stock market had become a massive Ponzi scheme but where else are you supposed to put your money except to pump it 24/7???
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    Originally Posted by ralphlaurenbrah View Post
    Government pumping trillions into the economy????


    Average citizen expecting massive inflation on their dollars forcing them into the stock market to avoid massive devaluation of every dollar they worked their entire lives for? Where else are they “safe”?????


    Just lol. The stock market had become a massive Ponzi scheme but where else are you supposed to put your money except to pump it 24/7???
    With no full time jobs with benefits, low interest rates and money being printed in volume that makes 2008-2009 look like a non-event, we could be in for the most painful slog fest of our time. LOL at how weak and fake young people are. You guys should be fighting the system instead of competing with each other for the leftover cash that the wealthy need to give you, so you can feed yourselves.
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    stock market can’t be read or predicted and is disconnected from any logical reasoning, why is Norwegian cruise skyrocketing one day followed by an equivalent plunge the next repeated for a week? No one is going on a cruise now or in a year due to fear. People say invest for the long-term gains, don’t worry about this...look at the history, yeah look at the nikkei, USA is headed towards japanification in no time, this is unprecedented times especially with the trillions of fed money in the last month, stagflation incoming.
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    They don't just use middle class tax dollars to keep the poor happy with welfare, they also use your tax dollars to buy up stocks to keep rich people happy. It's like welfare for the upper class
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    Originally Posted by Serenadium View Post
    it takes a bit of time for things to kick in:



    This can be put down to:
    - People exhausting their rainy savings (which props things up in the short term), but spending dries up after 1 or more months.
    - May take some time for the decreased spending to ripple through the supply chain
    - Various measures that have essnetially put things on-hold or kicked the can down the road but can't last forever i.e. rent relief, eviction protection, low-income subsidy, small business stiumulus

    + countless others

    Likely 30% employment + a complete shutdown of the economy for months on end must equate to a downturn (which we will inflate/hyperinflate out of through QE but in terms of 'real' economic growth, the recession will last some time).
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