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    So now the "models" are predicting 60,000 deaths in the USA

    And 80,000 people died in 2018 from the flu in the U.S

    Just LOL

    So it really is in fact, just the flu bro.
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    2020 Flu deaths should be really now with all this social distancing.

    But srs that means these unprecedented lockdown actions worked, setting the precedent for future pandemics.
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    You ever think it's only killing that many people because we're all on lockdown, retard? What would happen is it was business as usual in the US (like how it is every flu season).




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    No way to know what would of happened if we left everything open. Glad its going down though
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    There ya go, instead of admitting it was all a test to see how fearful and easy to manipulate the population was we're going to convince ourselves it would have been worse if we hadn't all cowered inside from a cough.
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    I said from the beginning it would have less deaths than the flu.

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    Yep. Most importantly, the models greatly overestimated the burden on healthcare.


    This was a post from several days go ...


    First, the post I was replying to -

    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post

    and my post ...

    Originally Posted by LukeLissen View Post
    That's extremely important as far as business shutdowns and other government-mandated restrictions go.

    The projections of overburdening of health care was vastly overestimated. The overburdening of health care was the primary justification for business shutdowns and other lockdowns and gov restrictions. The need to 'flatten the curve' was in order to bring that peak of the curve down below the capacity of health care to deal with it.

    I myself openly supported the shutdowns in part due to my professional experience in health care and knowing the bad situation that would develop if health care had far more serious and critical patients than it could properly treat. It would lead to lack of proper treatment for not only COVID-19 patients but other patients as well.

    However, we weren't even close to the projections and have instead stayed way under the capacity of health care - we were not even remotely close to overburdening health care in almost all areas of the US. Even in hardest hit NYC which is likely at its peak now, Gov Cuomo in his daily press conference stated a few minutes ago(11:07 am) that "we have more than enough beds available" and we know that from the numbers also. Without that risk of overburdening it's just not justifiable to carry on with the lockdowns much longer past the end of April and even that is pushing it too far.

    Certainly this is a dangerous pandemic and especially for certain at-risk people. I've got two at-risk parents at home myself who will still need to hunker down and stay protected. However the negative costs to business, to employees, and to the economy in general cannot be overstated so it's time to start saying let's get back to normal business-wise sooner rather than later.



    This is the primary reason we had the shutdowns - https://virusdanger.com/images/actno..._the_curve.gif


    However it has become clear that even without the shutdowns we wouldn't have had an overburdening of health care. Even if you disagree and think we would have had a massively larger amount of hospitalizations than we have now, the fact still remains that we are not close to overburdening health care now but instead way below that level in almost all areas of the US and even in NYC and New Jersey there are still plenty of beds available. So we can have a much more normal level of activity than we do now and still not overburden health care.

    The projected need for hospitalization due to COVID-19 has been grossly overestimated.

    It's time to end the shutdowns ... sooner rather than later
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    these deaths aren't even accurate at this point. all the truth has been uncovered. don't believe the majority % of those deaths.
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    Mortality in Italy same as their 2017 flu season too.
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    No way to know what would of happened if we left everything open. Glad its going down though
    I would agree it is good to see going down. Sort of like how there is no way of knowing how to estimate damage done to the environment by using fossil fuels vs. other sources of energy. Brb the experts thought we would all be underwater by 1990, 2005, 2010, 2015, 2020, etc. due to melting ice caps, polar bears dying, Santa moving to Mexico...

    At a certain point I just use my own judgement and see on these mass scales experts are rarely 100% accurate.
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    The effects of warmer weather and mass quarantines are manifesting. These lockdowns probably saved a million + American lives. Unless we really expedite the vaccine process, get ready for more lockdowns next fall/winter.

    The flu kills on average less 100 people per day (US) in April because of the warmer weather. This virus is killing 2k/day, despite the spring weather AND unprecedented mass quarantines. Really shows how warranted the concern is/was.
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    Originally Posted by Kewbrah View Post
    Mortality in Italy same as their 2017 flu season too.
    98% or something stupid of people who died in Italy had 1 or more underlying health issues. Oh yeh, and they live in one of the highest air pollution areas in the world.

    This SHAMdemic is to just create a new norm....they know now how dumb people are and how easily people can be controlled.........precedent has been set.

    Next time there is any issue, LOCK DOWN people, you know the drill.....you did great last time and prevented an outbreak (When there wasn't even a problem)

    All for the agenda of control of people and the economy.

    Wait for taxes to go skyhigh after this too......governments will be like "now is time to pay back when we helped you"

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    The reason the models are now predicting only 60k deaths are because of social distancing. If it wasn't for that, it would be a hell of a lot higher.
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    Bill Gates says we need better testing if we want to reopen the economy.

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    We said this over a month ago

    Still will be on lockdown for god knows how long though regardless
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    Originally Posted by Smunks View Post
    98% or something stupid of people who died in Italy had 1 or more underlying health issues.

    This SHAMdemic is to just create a new norm....they know now how dumb people are and how easily people can be controlled.........precedent has been set.

    Next time there is any issue, LOCK DOWN people, you know the drill.....you did great last time and prevented an outbreak (When there wasn't even a problem)

    All for the agenda of control of people and the economy.

    Wait for taxes to go skyhigh after this too......governments will be like "now is time to pay back when we helped you"

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    Originally Posted by ltsOgre View Post
    2020 Flu deaths should be really now with all this social distancing.

    But srs that means these unprecedented lockdown actions worked, setting the precedent for future pandemics.
    The models accounted for lock downs and social distance you spoon
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    Originally Posted by mp83 View Post
    Yeah, I'd prefer my old relatives and parents not die, thank you.
    well tell them to take care of their health, if they aren't in the 65% of fat and obese people with underlying medical issues in America they'll be fine.

    Originally Posted by Gringo12 View Post
    The models accounted for lock downs and social distance you spoon
    I'd like to see Swedens model (which would look exactly the same) where they did nothing and let it runs it course
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    Originally Posted by Reliance012 View Post
    The effects of warmer weather and mass quarantines are manifesting. These lockdowns probably saved a million + American lives. Unless we really expedite the vaccine process, get ready for more lockdowns next fall/winter.

    The flu kills on average less 100 people per day (US) in April because of the warmer weather. This virus is killing 2k/day, despite the spring weather AND unprecedented mass quarantines. Really shows how warranted the concern is/was.
    The flu is also severely more widespread.


    don't tell that to the drop out ronald reagan era IQ conspiracy tards who watch 62 minute videos of some dude in his basement 'enlightening' them on the 'man' trying to control them tho
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    Originally Posted by mp83 View Post
    The reason the models are now predicting only 60k deaths are because of social distancing. If it wasn't for that, it would be a hell of a lot higher.
    Nope.

    The original IHME right from the beginning stated very clearly 'this model assumes full social distancing measures through blah blah'

    The earlier projection which greatly overestimated the needs for hospital resources was in fact predicting what would happen even with full social distancing measures. It was a vast error in prediction that has caused these extreme measures be taken.
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    Originally Posted by LukeLissen View Post
    Nope.

    The original IHME right from the beginning stated very clearly 'this model assumes full social distancing measures through blah blah'

    The earlier projection which greatly overestimated the needs for hospital resources was in fact predicting what would happen even with full social distancing measures. It was a vast error in prediction that has caused these extreme measures be taken.
    The original model assumed 50% social distancing


    The savage 2.2 high million number assumed absolutely nothing was done
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    Originally Posted by LukeLissen View Post
    Nope.

    The original IHME right from the beginning stated very clearly 'this model assumes full social distancing measures through blah blah'

    The earlier projection which greatly overestimated the needs for hospital resources was in fact predicting what would happen even with full social distancing measures. It was a vast error in prediction that has caused these extreme measures be taken.
    I might be confusing you with someone, but aren't you part of the panicel crew?
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    Originally Posted by Gringo12 View Post
    The models accounted for lock downs and social distance you spoon
    What models are you referring to? There are multiple models.
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    Originally Posted by eatmycrackers View Post
    I would agree it is good to see going down. Sort of like how there is no way of knowing how to estimate damage done to the environment by using fossil fuels vs. other sources of energy. Brb the experts thought we would all be underwater by 1990, 2005, 2010, 2015, 2020, etc. due to melting ice caps, polar bears dying, Santa moving to Mexico...

    At a certain point I just use my own judgement and see on these mass scales experts are rarely 100% accurate.
    It’s almost like scientists rely on alarmism to receive more funding and therefore are incentivised to be alarmist. Who would’ve thought
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    Originally Posted by Reliance012 View Post
    The effects of warmer weather and mass quarantines are manifesting. These lockdowns probably saved a million + American lives. Unless we really expedite the vaccine process, get ready for more lockdowns next fall/winter.

    The flu kills on average less 100 people per day (US) in April because of the warmer weather. This virus is killing 2k/day, despite the spring weather AND unprecedented mass quarantines. Really shows how warranted the concern is/was.
    This guy gets it. I agree on the whole, but I'm beginning to think the "cure" actually is more harmful than the disease at this time. The measures to this point were definitely necessary, but I feel we need to reassess.

    I'm more and more against shutting down the economy as this virus seems to be hitting the population centers hard, and leaving the rest of the country relatively unscathed. 7 states have 2/3 of the cases right now. One of those is California, and we've got less than 1000 new cases today, most in LA. My county of 3 million people has less than a thousand cases, less than a hundred deatha. 5 of our counties don't even have a case total. Yet the entire state is locked down and the governor seems to think we should all be locked down a while longer. Multiply this across the nation. Is it fair that rural areas with single digits cases have to fuk over their lives over this? Maybe it's premature to say, but I'd like to see a more precise approach here in deciding which areas are on lockdown and which stay open, I don't think BFE should have to deal with the fallout just because an urban area with 99% of the cases blows up with 10k cases...
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