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    Originally Posted by chiseledmanbeef View Post
    Destructive culture.
    Again, the root cause is poverty.
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    Originally Posted by FatBallz View Post
    Yep, it's too bad blacks are the only low income people in this country
    Key Word: Disproportionately

    Hundreds of years of racism has delivered poor health and economic outcomes for black people, making them more vulnerable in the pandemic.
    The combination of those two things is what we're seeing.
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    You mean this virus is zeroing in on a particular race?

    Who put out the bat rumor, then?
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    Don't most people who can afford it avoid public transportation? There's the key.. those who can afford it.

    I hope this is the beginning to the end of mass public transportation.


    Sooo many negatives for the population with them.


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    I could go on for days how many problems public mass transportation causes society, and especially low income.



    I don’t think it is a main reason for this, maybe part , but mostly what goo said.
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    You mean this virus is zeroing in on a particular race?

    Who put out the bat rumor, then?

    Apparently it does more damage to men as well.


    Good news!!!



    If you haven’t caught it yet you still have time to identify as a woman, so the “science” based left says.
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    dabbmw seems to be doing okay.
    Smh..
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    Originally Posted by Blasting View Post
    dabbmw seems to be doing okay.
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    Smh..
    You mean he's not??
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    Originally Posted by Blasting View Post
    dabbmw seems to be doing okay.
    Ramata seems to be doing ok, too.

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    Apparently it does more damage to men as well.

    Good news!!!

    If you haven’t caught it yet you still have time to identify as a woman, so the “science” based left says.
    Going to have to think about that.
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    Again, the root cause is poverty.
    Most people living in poverty don't rob and steal. That's culture, son.
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    Originally Posted by gachase21 View Post
    I hope this is the beginning to the end of mass public transportation.

    Sooo many negatives for the population with them.

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    I could go on for days how many problems public mass transportation causes society, and especially low income.

    I don’t think it is a main reason for this, maybe part , but mostly what goo said.
    Off topic but honestly, I'm all for this.

    One thing I'm seeing is that nature is taking over with everyone staying at home. Wild animals like deer and peacocks are wandering the streets, water pollution decreasing in Venice is causing fish to re-enter the city, and air quality around major cities around the world is vastly improving.
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    The facts are that African Americans are dying at much higher rates from this virus. Joking is one thing, but I'm not really feeling it right now.

    The reality is lower income people are being labelled as "essential" when they really should be called "expendable".
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    Off topic but honestly, I'm all for this.

    One thing I'm seeing is that nature is taking over with everyone staying at home. Wild animals like deer and peacocks are wandering the streets, water pollution decreasing in Venice is causing fish to re-enter the city, and air quality around major cities around the world is vastly improving.

    People think we overpopulated


    We have so much land in this world it’s unreal - we need to spread out and get away from the concept of big cities


    Mass transit helps create those things, amongst others.


    We don’t need everybody in half a state trying to drive to a 30 mi.² area every day.


    Spreading out will also keeps housing more affordable, and alleviate overpriced spikes in high populated areas
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    Off topic but honestly, I'm all for this.

    One thing I'm seeing is that nature is taking over with everyone staying at home. Wild animals like deer and peacocks are wandering the streets, water pollution decreasing in Venice is causing fish to re-enter the city, and air quality around major cities around the world is vastly improving.
    Well that's been quick then.. According to the Discovery Channel these things would take decades!



    But enny-way.. Is this virus bad because it's killing all the black people?

    Or is it good because nature?
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    Not sure what’s going on in this thread but I saw that this could be due to lower vitamin d3 levels since lighter skinned people make d3 better. Idk
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    Originally Posted by NMH View Post
    Not sure what’s going on in this thread but I saw that this could be due to lower vitamin d3 levels since lighter skinned people make d3 better. Idk
    I'm all ears if you can provide a link from a legit source about the affect D3 has on this virus. Trump today mentioned zinc. Who knows.
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    The facts are that African Americans are dying at much higher rates from this virus. Joking is one thing, but I'm not really feeling it right now.

    The reality is lower income people are being labelled as "essential" when they really should be called "expendable".
    You say blacks in one post, african americans in another, and in this post you slip up and basically equate black people to lower income people

    You're all over the map, but the whole map points at you being the racist, not the virus
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    Originally Posted by gachase21 View Post
    People think we overpopulated

    We have so much land in this world it’s unreal - we need to spread out and get away from the concept of big cities

    Mass transit helps create those things, amongst others.

    We don’t need everybody in half a state trying to drive to a 30 mi.² area every day.

    Spreading out will also keeps housing more affordable, and alleviate overpriced spikes in high populated areas
    Honestly this deserves its own thread. There are pluses and minuses to dense vs low-density populations.
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    Again, the root cause is poverty.
    And again, another testament to how Democrat controlled local governments have failed African Americans. I just don't understand why they keep voting against their own best interests.
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    A lot of factors are being looked into. One, for example:

    "The link with ACEIs and ARBs is because of the known association between angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) and SARS-CoV-2. ACE2 has been shown4 to be a co-receptor for viral entry for SARS-CoV-2 with increasing evidence that it has a protracted role in the pathogenesis of COVID-19. ACE2 has a broad expression pattern in the human body with strong expression noted in the gastrointestinal system, heart, and kidney with more recent data identifying expression of ACE2 in type II alveolar cells in the lungs. The concern that ACEIs and ARBs affect the severity and mortality of COVID-19 is 2-fold. One suggestion is that ACEIs could directly inhibit ACE2; however, ACE2 functions as a carboxypeptidase and is not inhibited by clinically prescribed ACEI"

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2763803

    "African American boys had higher ACE levels than both African American and Caucasian girls, meaning the African American boys may have higher levels of angiotensin II. Researchers also observed that African American girls had less ACE2 than Caucasian girls, meaning they may make less of the protective angiotensin (1-7) hormone. To put it more simply, African American boys have more of the enzyme that makes the hormone that contributes to high blood pressure and African American girls have less of the enzyme that makes the hormone that protects against high blood pressure or hypertension."

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0426113102.htm

    I won't offer comments or conjecture regarding how much of a role socioeconomic status plays in this, but I will ask you to consider that there may be many more factors involved.
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    Originally Posted by Adam16121 View Post
    A lot of factors are being looked into. One, for example:

    "The link with ACEIs and ARBs is because of the known association between angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) and SARS-CoV-2. ACE2 has been shown4 to be a co-receptor for viral entry for SARS-CoV-2 with increasing evidence that it has a protracted role in the pathogenesis of COVID-19. ACE2 has a broad expression pattern in the human body with strong expression noted in the gastrointestinal system, heart, and kidney with more recent data identifying expression of ACE2 in type II alveolar cells in the lungs. The concern that ACEIs and ARBs affect the severity and mortality of COVID-19 is 2-fold. One suggestion is that ACEIs could directly inhibit ACE2; however, ACE2 functions as a carboxypeptidase and is not inhibited by clinically prescribed ACEI"

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2763803

    "African American boys had higher ACE levels than both African American and Caucasian girls, meaning the African American boys may have higher levels of angiotensin II. Researchers also observed that African American girls had less ACE2 than Caucasian girls, meaning they may make less of the protective angiotensin (1-7) hormone. To put it more simply, African American boys have more of the enzyme that makes the hormone that contributes to high blood pressure and African American girls have less of the enzyme that makes the hormone that protects against high blood pressure or hypertension."

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0426113102.htm

    I won't offer comments or conjecture regarding how much of a role socioeconomic status plays in this, but I will ask you to consider that there may be many more factors involved.
    Be careful bringing up any biological possibilities. We all know that sickle cell is due to racism.
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    Originally Posted by BigDeeps01 View Post
    You say blacks in one post, african americans in another, and in this post you slip up and basically equate black people to lower income people

    You're all over the map, but the whole map points at you being the racist, not the virus
    Yeah, I'm the racist while drawing attention to the unusual rates we're seeing.

    And I've already explained the difference between white and black lower incomes.

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    Originally Posted by Adam16121 View Post
    A lot of factors are being looked into. One, for example:

    "The link with ACEIs and ARBs is because of the known association between angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) and SARS-CoV-2. ACE2 has been shown4 to be a co-receptor for viral entry for SARS-CoV-2 with increasing evidence that it has a protracted role in the pathogenesis of COVID-19. ACE2 has a broad expression pattern in the human body with strong expression noted in the gastrointestinal system, heart, and kidney with more recent data identifying expression of ACE2 in type II alveolar cells in the lungs. The concern that ACEIs and ARBs affect the severity and mortality of COVID-19 is 2-fold. One suggestion is that ACEIs could directly inhibit ACE2; however, ACE2 functions as a carboxypeptidase and is not inhibited by clinically prescribed ACEI"

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2763803

    "African American boys had higher ACE levels than both African American and Caucasian girls, meaning the African American boys may have higher levels of angiotensin II. Researchers also observed that African American girls had less ACE2 than Caucasian girls, meaning they may make less of the protective angiotensin (1-7) hormone. To put it more simply, African American boys have more of the enzyme that makes the hormone that contributes to high blood pressure and African American girls have less of the enzyme that makes the hormone that protects against high blood pressure or hypertension."

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0426113102.htm

    I won't offer comments or conjecture regarding how much of a role socioeconomic status plays in this, but I will ask you to consider that there may be many more factors involved.
    More factors? Than what? Race?

    Edit: To be fair, there are conditions that affect African Americans more than other races. Sickle Cell Anemia comes to mind immediately.
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    Using collective data to explain individual results will only lead to more confusion.

    What you need to do is take the individuals who have contracted this virus and start making comparisons on how they live their lives day to day and how they contracted it. You'll then start showing trends and racial factors will probably show up and not even worth mentioning.

    Just my observations from what I see on a regular at work every day. Black people are more social than whites. They get closer to people when interacting. Us white guys have been social distancing since before it's cool. Not saying either is good or bad but in this case it could explain why it's spreading more amongst blacks. Anyways, nobody at my work has caught it, that we know of, yet anyways. I hope it stays that way.
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    So what would you like to do about it NYP? Are you wanting to give them reparations? How about a nice place in the Hamptons...
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    Originally Posted by Jasonw1178 View Post
    Using collective data to explain individual results will only lead to more confusion.

    What you need to do is take the individuals who have contracted this virus and start making comparisons on how they live their lives day to day and how they contracted it. You'll then start showing trends and racial factors will probably show up and not even worth mentioning.

    Just my observations from what I see on a regular at work every day. Black people are more social than whites. They get closer to people when interacting. Us white guys have been social distancing since before it's cool. Not saying either is good or bad but in this case it could explain why it's spreading more amongst blacks. Anyways, nobody at my work has caught it, that we know of, yet anyways. I hope it stays that way.
    That would explain higher infection rates and not worse outcomes.

    Anyways, this is sad. And people made fun of AOC bringing up the "lens of reparations" in her criticism of the Coronas With Lime stimulus package.
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    Apparently it does more damage to men as well.
    By a lot.

    ~70% of the deaths have been men. Heart attacks/heart disease manifest differently in men and women, men were more likely to work in jobs that gave them lung damage etc

    All cardiorespiratory risk factors seems to be significant re covid mortality rates.

    Blacks in the US die more partly because they are more likely to be obese and live in cities (air pollution and obesity are risk factors).

    Old people in France, Italy and Spain get screwed because people of that generation, in those countries, smoked like chimneys.
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