Aren't all these quarantines delaying herd immunity?

[SmashinYoungVag]

Again - You know humanity has eradicated disease in the past right?

We have shown that we have the capability to do that.

My grandmother had polio, and so did probably a dozen other kids that grew up in her county.

When was the last time you saw a kid with a shrunken leg or dead from Polio?

You can't compare the 1940s to now, were much more globally connected. And they're two totally different viruses. We've seen how easily the coronavirus jumps species and there are reports of 8 different strains. So it's totally different

[proteinsnake]

Are you suggesting that the experts, the men and women who have spent their entire lives studying and training in infectious diseases...havent considered what you are saying?

Do you believe you have some unique perspective that the people who know 100000x more than you dont know?

No, all the experts agree with me. This is basic scientific knowledge. It's people who lack the ability to interpreter the manner in which science is discussed that are causing confusion, they never say anything with absolute certainty because it's difficult to prove anything without a doubt. That doesn't mean the overwhelming odds aren't the it grants immunity. I posted a Dr. Faucci video above, please watch.

[DrewDarden]

No, all the experts agree with me.

You're lying and spreading misinformation.

Negged on recharge.

[DrewDarden]

Try to keep up expertcels:



Start at 1:21:30

[KirkMcquest]

No, all the experts agree with me. \.

Oh OK so you agree we should stay on lockdown and practice social distancing. OK I thought you were saying something else.

[proteinsnake]

You're lying and spreading misinformation.

Negged on recharge.

So you're going to ignore the video I just posted?

I just provided proof the the countries leading expert in the field agrees with me, yet somehow you're insisting on sticking with your point of view - for some reason.

Please respond to the video, tell me how you know better than Dr. Faucci.

[proteinsnake]

Oh OK so you agree we should stay on lockdown and practice social distancing. OK I thought you were saying something else.

I'm saying the virus grants immunity.

LMFAO that as soon as I post a video of THE expert agreeing with me you choose to ignore it.

[havoc00]

Well I'm in NJ. One of the hotspots for it. And there's been talk of trying to have things start to reopen may 20th.

A vaccine is not going to be here by that date. Yes there might be improvements in the way we treat patients by then but a cure is still a long way away.

Which is why I made the thread

Im in NJ too but in South we havent been hit really hard so I want **** to oepn

[KirkMcquest]

I'm saying the virus grants immunity.

LMFAO that as soon as I post a video of THE expert agreeing with me you choose to ignore it.

Do you agree with the experts that the lockdowns and social distancing are necessary now or have you been posting here everyday saying that we dont need to heed their advice and that they are wrong??

[Ratfish]

the death toll from the economic damage is going to be multiples of the virus death toll

nanny states of peace

[havoc00]

the death toll from the economic damage is going to be multiples of the virus death toll

nanny states of peace

lol this.

[yewotm8]

It's possible.. but if there was no quarentine, probably 10s of thousands of people would be dying everyday in the US. It would be like Italy and Spain on a much larger scale. Is that worth it for the chance that most of the population would catch a mild form of it and become immune? Probably not.

Absolutely.

Are you suggesting that the experts, the men and women who have spent their entire lives studying and training in infectious diseases...havent considered what you are saying?

Do you believe you have some unique perspective that the people who know 100000x more than you dont know?

Are you suggesting that the people who "know better" than the rest of us aren't personally invested in making it seem like things are a big deal so that they can be important and rewarded for "warning us" about how bad it would be? Do you think that "global warming" scientists who also supposedly know better than us and also continuously make incorrect predictions are also people we should be listening to? Do you think that destroying the economy and making people unable to feed their families, and print money to devalue everybody's savings is worth saving less than 1% of the population, said 1% who are already old, fat, or aids*******s?

[proteinsnake]

Do you agree with the experts that the lockdowns and social distancing are necessary now or have you been posting here everyday saying that we dont need to heed their advice and that they are wrong??

Are you so brain dead that you can't understand the difference between a rigid scientific fact that you can't have an opinion on (gaining immunity from a virus) and a complex political decision (Lock down)?

Are you left wing or right wing? If you're right wing, are you a retard for not agreeing with everything Bernie Sanders says? He's the expert right? He is the politician in power after all. So disagreeing with Bernie Sanders is the same thing as thinking the earth is flat right? Since scientists agree that the earth is round, and Bernie agrees that he's right and they're both experts, correct?

[KirkMcquest]

Are you suggesting that the people who "know better" than the rest of us aren't personally invested in making it seem like things are a big deal so that they can be important and rewarded for "warning us" about how bad it would be? Do you think that "global warming" scientists who also supposedly know better than us and also continuously make incorrect predictions are also people we should be listening to? Do you think that destroying the economy and making people unable to feed their families, and print money to devalue everybody's savings is worth saving less than 1% of the population, said 1% who are already old, fat, or aids*******s?

Interesting that you put "know better" in quotes as if doctors and infectious disease experts dont know better? YES they fukking know better than you. YOU dont know anything about infectious diseases. And YES you should shut up and listen the the """""""experts""""""". LOL ****ing moron.

[proteinsnake]

Interesting that you put "know better" in quotes as if doctors and infectious disease experts dont know better? YES they fukking know better than you. YOU dont know anything about infectious diseases. And YES you should shut up and listen the the """""""experts""""""". LOL ****ing moron.

Exactly, we fully agree. Hence why you should listen to Dr. Faucci and every other infectious disease expert that agrees there's no reason to believe it doesn't grant immunity after recovery.

Keep dodging all the hard questions by the way, you're doing a great job.

[KirkMcquest]

Are you so brain dead that you can't understand the difference between a rigid scientific fact that you can't have an opinion on (gaining immunity from a virus) and a complex political decision (Lock down)?

Are you left wing or right wing? If you're right wing, are you a retard for not agreeing with everything Bernie Sanders says? He's the expert right? He is the politician in power after all. So disagreeing with Bernie Sanders is the same thing as thinking the earth is flat right? Since scientists agree that the earth is round, and Bernie agrees that he's right and they're both experts, correct?

Im brain dead now. NEGGED for devolving into personal attacks because you can't argue the issue intelligently.

You're arguing that the experts agree with you yet you are saying the exact opposite of what they are saying. You're a moron.

[proteinsnake]

Im brain dead now. NEGGED for devolving into personal attacks because you can't argue the issue intelligently.

You're arguing that the experts agree with you yet you are saying the exact opposite of what they are saying. You're a moron.

How am I saying the opposite? I'm seriously confused by all your replies. You completely ignore any argument I put forward and just say some completely strange chit that has nothing to do with what I said.

Experts (Scientists) say it grants immunity - I agree

Politicians are not EXPERTS, they're the one's deciding on the lock down. Deciding to lock people down and controlling the spread of infectious disease is way out of the scope of what your standard doctor is an expert in. Infectious disease experts and virologists are entirely conflicted on whether the lock down will actually be effective at all. My argument isn't even about whether or not it's effective, it's about there being more to consider than just stopping the spread of the disease at all costs. The fact that you can't wrap your mind around that really does discount everything else you have to say.

Doctors are not experts in controlling the spread of infectious disease. The lock down is a political decision. disagreeing with a political decision doesn't mean you're disagreeing with experts.

disagreeing with politicians does not mean you are disagreeing with EXPERTS.

[DrewDarden]

Again, this is probably where you should be watching press conferences if you’re going to be making these long posts trying to explain to everybody what’s going on. You need the most current information.

President Trump has made it very clear that his initial reaction was to drop/not institute the lockdowns. And it was only due to Dr. Fauci‘s input that he decided to keep the lockdown in place through the end of April.

Watch the press conferences. You will learn a few things.

It’s just obvious that you don’t have a full view of the big picture. You have a little bits and pieces right from podcasts etc. But not the full view.

[proteinsnake]

Again, this is probably where you should be watching press conferences if you’re going to be making these long posts trying to explain to everybody what’s going on. You need the most current information.

President Trump has made it very clear that his initial reaction was to drop/not institute the lockdowns. And it was only due to Dr. Fauci‘s input that he decided to keep the lockdown in place through the end of April.

Watch the press conferences. You will learn a few things.

My opinion on the lock down is that there is more to consider than stopping the spread of the disease. It's a major factor, just like making sure the economy doesn't collapse is a major factor. All things have to be considered in deciding the next steps.

[DrewDarden]

My opinion on the lock down is that there is more to consider than stopping the spread of the disease. It's a major factor, just like making sure the economy doesn't collapse is a major factor. All things have to be considered in deciding the next steps.

I’m not interested in your opinion.

You were making statements about political decisions, and I corrected you.

[elterrible987]

If this thing is airborne, then all of us will get it whether we want to or not.

They suspect it is. Theyve found it in air samples. As in samples of air of the same room as infected patients and even in the hallway outside of their rooms.

They just cant officially call it because they havent had enough time to really replicate it and do a true study.

[sooby]

How am I saying the opposite? I'm seriously confused by all your replies. You completely ignore any argument I put forward and just say some completely strange chit that has nothing to do with what I said.

Experts (Scientists) say it grants immunity - I agree

Politicians are not EXPERTS, they're the one's deciding on the lock down. Deciding to lock people down and controlling the spread of infectious disease is way out of the scope of what your standard doctor is an expert in. Infectious disease experts and virologists are entirely conflicted on whether the lock down will actually be effective at all. My argument isn't even about whether or not it's effective, it's about there being more to consider than just stopping the spread of the disease at all costs. The fact that you can't wrap your mind around that really does discount everything else you have to say.

Doctors are not experts in controlling the spread of infectious disease. The lock down is a political decision. disagreeing with a political decision doesn't mean you're disagreeing with experts.

disagreeing with politicians does not mean you are disagreeing with EXPERTS.

the decision to lockdown however is based on the recommendations of medical experts, you can't really separate the two. Fauci also himself stated that the country needs to be on national lockdown.

[elterrible987]

Has exposure been shown to result in immunity?

Not that I’m aware of. Unless something happened in the last five minutes.....

I asked the same question the other day, and somebody was trying to link me to things that implied yes.

But yesterday during the press conference, one of the doctors speaking (wearing a military uniform/buzzcut, can't remember his title) stated that, while it seems likely based on what we know about viruses in general, we still don't know for sure.

Most likely it would because that applies to most other viruses. They just cant say officially because they have a vary high standard to meet to say so for sure and there hasnt been enough time yet to run studies.

My opinion - its unrealistic for us to just maintain the entire global economy shutdown for them to run 6 month studies on this, on vaccines and tests and everything else.

[andy0w]

Why would we not see a surge in cases once we open things up again? Wouldn't the quickest way to rid ourselves of this virus to be to let it run its course?

How many are you willing to sacrifice?

If you have 1 ventilator and can treat 1 person with it for 1 month then you can treat 12 persons per year.

When all 12 come now you can treat 1 and 11 die.

[lsiberian]

Yes, it has.

Some countries are already handing out anti-body certificates so that people with anti-bodies can break out of lock down. Anti-body tests are already being done all over.

It' like asking for a study to confirm that the sky is blue. We all know the sky is blue, if you want to prove that it's not then go ahead and run a study. Why would we assume that this virus is unique to literally every other virus to ever exist?

Actually we do have proofs for the sky being blue. I know because I wrote one in college.

[MrBourbon]

It's spreading out the burden on hospitals/healthcare system. Hence all the discussion over having enough ventilators etc.

Plus just having enough beds, doctors etc! You been to a hospital and had to wait an hour for the doctor? Hospitals were ALREADY BUSY AS CHIT.

Even if you don't worry about getting this virus, worry about having to go to the hospital for any of the regular, boring ass reasons any of us might have to go to the ER on a regular day. Now imagine you can't get the help you'd need.

[elterrible987]

How many are you willing to sacrifice?

Why dont we lock down every flu season for 5 months of the year, we could probably knock down that 60,000 deaths a year if we did a lock down every flu season. But it seems society values our economy and constitutional rights, or atleast did until we have a new flu from wuhan that is marginally more harmful.

[WaySheGoesBoys]

Why dont we lock down every flu season for 5 months of the year, we could probably knock down that 60,000 deaths a year if we did a lock down every flu season. But it seems society values our economy and constitutional rights, or atleast did until we have a new flu from wuhan that is marginally more harmful.

The mortality rates seem to be around 10x the regular flu (though we won't know for sure until the antibody test it's definitely factors higher than regular flu though), hospitals are over run with people needing respiratory support as the virus is aggressively attacking the lungs, many are left with perminant lung damage . Everyone working in a hospital right now almost world wide knows the severity of Covid-19, we should not lock down for anywhere near 5 months as the economic loss will cause more suffering and deaths than Covid-19. A month or so whilst hospitals increase their capacity will help reduce unnecessary deaths (people who cannot get respiratory support because of over-run hospitals). I think it's also important to mention even though the mortality rates are fairly low, those that survive often still have a horrible time and feel like they are dying.

[SmashinYoungVag]

It's spreading out the burden on hospitals/healthcare system. Hence all the discussion over having enough ventilators etc.

Plus just having enough beds, doctors etc! You been to a hospital and had to wait an hour for the doctor? Hospitals were ALREADY BUSY AS CHIT.

Even if you don't worry about getting this virus, worry about having to go to the hospital for any of the regular, boring ass reasons any of us might have to go to the ER on a regular day. Now imagine you can't get the help you'd need.

Yes it spreads it out in the meantime. But what happens when daily life resumes in may/June or whenever it does happen? Are we not gonna see a massive surge and a round two of this?

[ltsOgre]

Yes it spreads it out in the meantime. But what happens when daily life resumes in may/June or whenever it does happen? Are we not gonna see a massive surge and a round two of this?

We will until a vaccine is widely administered or until ~70% of the population becomes infected, whichever comes first.

The other alternative is widespread and aggressive testing, but it's doubtful we could implement something like that in the US over the next month.