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    Aren't all these quarantines delaying herd immunity?

    Why would we not see a surge in cases once we open things up again? Wouldn't the quickest way to rid ourselves of this virus to be to let it run its course?
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    Has exposure been shown to result in immunity?

    Not that I’m aware of. Unless something happened in the last five minutes.....
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    Originally Posted by SmashinYoungVag View Post
    Why would we not see a surge in cases once we open things up again? Wouldn't the quickest way to rid ourselves of this virus to be to let it run its course?
    We're delaying so doctors can figure out what medicines can treat this thing, develop a vaccine, and slow the initial curve.

    But delay is the key word yes. If we delay the spread, the healthcare professionals and hospitals can hopefully withstand the incoming caseload.
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    They decided against herd immunity because of public outcry & healthcare capability of handling large amounts of dead (UK estimated 250k dead vs 20k).

    The lockdown will be staggered in its loosening to avoid several peaks however its said outbreaks will reappear and small sections of society may still need to be locked down.
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    Originally Posted by Ironmanlet View Post
    Has exposure been shown to result in immunity?

    Not that I’m aware of. Unless something happened in the last five minutes.....
    I asked the same question the other day, and somebody was trying to link me to things that implied yes.

    But yesterday during the press conference, one of the doctors speaking (wearing a military uniform/buzzcut, can't remember his title) stated that, while it seems likely based on what we know about viruses in general, we still don't know for sure.
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    If this thing is airborne, then all of us will get it whether we want to or not.
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    It's possible.. but if there was no quarentine, probably 10s of thousands of people would be dying everyday in the US. It would be like Italy and Spain on a much larger scale. Is that worth it for the chance that most of the population would catch a mild form of it and become immune? Probably not.
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    Originally Posted by DrewDarden View Post
    We're delaying so doctors can figure out what medicines can treat this thing, develop a vaccine, and slow the initial curve.

    But delay is the key word yes. If we delay the spread, the healthcare professionals and hospitals can hopefully withstand the incoming caseload.
    I understand that. But what is stopping this from happening again the second things are reopened?
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    Originally Posted by Ironmanlet View Post
    Has exposure been shown to result in immunity?

    Not that I’m aware of. Unless something happened in the last five minutes.....
    Yep, it has for a long time now.

    There should be studies to prove that it doesn't cause immunity, since the assumption would be that it does...since that's how every virus to ever exist in the history of mankind has functioned.
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    I understand that. But what is stopping this from happening again the second things are reopened?
    You can ask that question as many times as you want, people will never directly answer it for some reason.

    Unless we plan on staying locked down for a year and a half until a vaccine comes out (not possible) were just delaying the inevitable. We should be coming up with alternatives to locking everyone down, but we aren't...for some reason.
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    Yep, it has for a long time now.
    No. It has not according to people who are qualified to make that determination... not random people on a forum.
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    I dont know, Im not an infectious disease expert, to my knowledge nobody else here is either. There are infectious disease specialists advising our government and they are telling you that the best course is a lockdown and social distancing.

    We probably should listen to the doctors and experts, no?
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    Originally Posted by SmashinYoungVag View Post
    I understand that. But what is stopping this from happening again the second things are reopened?
    It's in the post you quoted.

    You know that humanity has eradicated diseases before.

    Right? Please tell me you do.
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    Nah it's just to buy enough time to collapse the world economy and replace it with their new one.

    Originally Posted by KirkMcquest View Post
    I dont know, Im not an infectious disease expert, to my knowledge nobody else here is either. There are infectious disease specialists advising our government and they are telling you that the best course is a lockdown and social distancing.

    We probably should listen to the doctors and experts, no?
    I'm pretty sure Fauci said that it'd be safe to go out when there are 0 cases of coronavirus.
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    No. It has not according to people who are qualified to make that determination... not random people on a forum.
    Yes, it has.

    Some countries are already handing out anti-body certificates so that people with anti-bodies can break out of lock down. Anti-body tests are already being done all over.

    It' like asking for a study to confirm that the sky is blue. We all know the sky is blue, if you want to prove that it's not then go ahead and run a study. Why would we assume that this virus is unique to literally every other virus to ever exist?
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    Originally Posted by KirkMcquest View Post
    I dont know, Im not an infectious disease expert, to my knowledge nobody else here is either. There are infectious disease specialists advising our government and they are telling you that the best course is a lockdown and social distancing.

    We probably should listen to the doctors and experts, no?
    Perhaps. But it is also fair to ask for an explanation for why they think that's the best course of actions when this route has a massive economic impact.
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    In theory, you are supposed to lockdown until the case load reaches a manageable level (about one month). Then you contain the spread through testing and contact tracing alone.

    If that doesn't work, then expect the lockdown to last much longer, probably through summer at least.
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    Originally Posted by proteinsnake View Post
    You can ask that question as many times as you want, people will never directly answer it for some reason.

    Unless we plan on staying locked down for a year and a half until a vaccine comes out (not possible) were just delaying the inevitable. We should be coming up with alternatives to locking everyone down, but we aren't...for some reason.
    That was my thought too. Just lol at thinking this virus is somehow different from the 1000s of others. More fear tactics from the left
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    Originally Posted by proteinsnake View Post
    Unless we plan on staying locked down for a year and a half until a vaccine comes out (not possible) were just delaying the inevitable. We should be coming up with alternatives to locking everyone down, but we aren't...for some reason.
    It's called a planned economic collapse.
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    Originally Posted by DrewDarden View Post
    It's in the post you quoted.

    You know that humanity has eradicated diseases before.

    Right? Please tell me you do.
    Well I'm in NJ. One of the hotspots for it. And there's been talk of trying to have things start to reopen may 20th.

    A vaccine is not going to be here by that date. Yes there might be improvements in the way we treat patients by then but a cure is still a long way away.

    Which is why I made the thread
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    Originally Posted by proteinsnake View Post
    Yes, it has.
    You're wrong and you're spreading misinformation.

    The sky is blue is an awesome thing to say on Earth. But is the sky blue on another planet? You don't know because you don't know enough about the planet I'm referring to. We have built immunity to all of the virus that we are aware of that have been here for years, but this is a new strain and we don't know yet how it behaves.

    The highest doctors in the country are cautious to blindly believe something, but a guy named protein snake says otherwise... Hmmm. Tough call.
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    Originally Posted by DrewDarden View Post
    You're wrong and you're spreading misinformation.

    The sky is blue is an awesome thing to say on Earth. But is the sky blue on another planet? You don't know because you don't know enough about the planet I'm referring to. We have built immunity to all of the virus that we are aware of that have been here for years, but this is a new strain and we don't know yet how it behaves.

    The highest doctors in the country are cautious to blindly believe something, but a guy named protein snake says otherwise... Hmmm. Tough call.
    Except they're not cautious. Dr. Faucci himself has said that the assumption is that we develop an immunity because we know how viruses work, we know how our immune systems work, and there's no reason to believe that this virus is any different from any other virus to ever exist.

    They already have anti-body tests. They just aren't widely available or fast so we aren't seeing them here yet. Like I said, they're already giving out immunity certificates in some European countries. Why do people need doctors to explain common sense?

    Doctors are highly risk averse by training, and don't like to speak in absolutes. Just because they say they don't know it doesn't mean it's not almost certainly the case.
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    They already have anti-body tests.
    This is why you should watch the press conferences. You keep talking about things without having the most current information.

    The tests don't work. I think it was Spain who ordered 17 million of them and guess what? They have 17 million new items to throw in the landfill.

    They. Don't. Know.

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    Perhaps. But it is also fair to ask for an explanation for why they think that's the best course of actions when this route has a massive economic impact.
    From what I can see they are on national TV every single day explaining it.
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    Originally Posted by Ironmanlet View Post
    Has exposure been shown to result in immunity?

    Not that I’m aware of. Unless something happened in the last five minutes.....

    I'm with you in shooting down the retards who post "why all these precautions when driving, shootings, flu account for X amount of deaths" threads.

    But to play devil's advocate. This is at least a different take and at least interesting. It makes us face the question "Do we believe our lockdowns will stampout 100% of cases?".

    If we don't, theoretically, it really would only take one infected person to snowball this chit allllll over again in the late summer or fall.

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    Originally Posted by DrewDarden View Post
    This is why you should watch the press conferences. You keep talking about things without having the most current information.

    The tests don't work. I think it was Spain who ordered 17 million of them and guess what? They have 17 million new items to throw in the landfill.

    They. Don't. Know.
    Okay, even if you're right and the tests don't work. It doesn't change the fact that the overwhelming odds suggest that you develop immunity. Sure, we don't know 100% just like we don't know 100% that evolution is real. Saying it hasn't been proven is the same as flat earthers saying it hasn't been proven that the earth is round, because it's difficult to prove without a doubt. The default assumption would obviously be that it grants immunity, saying they don't know is implying that there's a real possibility that it doesn't, when it would actually be an anomaly we have literally never seen before.
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    If we don't, theoretically, it really would only take one infected person to snowball this chit allllll over again in the late summer or fall.
    Again - You know humanity has eradicated disease in the past right?

    We have shown that we have the capability to do that.

    My grandmother had polio, and so did probably a dozen other kids that grew up in her county.

    When was the last time you saw a kid with a shrunken leg or dead from Polio?
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    Originally Posted by DrewDarden View Post
    Again - You know humanity has eradicated disease in the past right?

    We have shown that we have the capability to do that.

    My grandmother had polio, and so did probably a dozen other kids that grew up in her county.

    When was the last time you saw a kid with a shrunken leg or dead from Polio?
    Hey dude, please watch this. Skip to 7:06 to see Dr. Faucci respond to the immunity question.



    He literally says it's "inconceivable" that you wouldn't have immunity for at least some period of time.
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    Originally Posted by proteinsnake View Post
    Okay, even if you're right and the tests don't work. It doesn't change the fact that the overwhelming odds suggest that you develop immunity. Sure, we don't know 100% just like we don't know 100% that evolution is real. Saying it hasn't been proven is the same as flat earthers saying it hasn't been proven that the earth is round, because it's difficult to prove without a doubt. The default assumption would obviously be that it grants immunity, saying they don't know is implying that there's a real possibility that it doesn't, when it would actually be an anomaly we have literally never seen before.
    Are you suggesting that the experts, the men and women who have spent their entire lives studying and training in infectious diseases...havent considered what you are saying?

    Do you believe you have some unique perspective that the people who know 100000x more than you dont know?
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