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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    Sure I agree it's not black and white.

    Who cares if China manufacturs **** like textiles and plastic do-dads. When they're manufacturing national security items in quantities as a majority of imports that's a problem.
    Essentially manufacturing can be done here.

    Non-essentials can be moved to our hemisphere. Imagine a thriving industrial Mexico? You would curtail an unimaginable number of illegal immigrants to stay in their home country and I will be as bold as to predict that we will lose another unimaginable number of illegal residents that would flock back to their countries if their economy was stronger.

    We would seriously be killing at least 2 birds with one stone.
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    Originally Posted by Barteh View Post
    The US is doing the same with equipment that's being produced on US soil by foreign companies. How do you feel about that?
    American interests > you and the health of your loved ones
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    Originally Posted by iabs View Post
    Essentially manufacturing can be done here.

    Non-essentials can be moved to our hemisphere. Imagine a thriving industrial Mexico? You would curtail an unimaginable number of illegal immigrants to stay in their home country and I will be as bold as to predict that we will lose another unimaginable number of illegal residents that would flock back to their countries if their economy was stronger.

    We would seriously be killing at least 2 birds with one stone.
    Yeah I agree China can work toward a Chinese century and we should be working toward an American (see Americas) century.

    Probably end up China + Africa vs the Americas
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    Originally Posted by Barteh View Post
    The US is doing the same with equipment that's being produced on US soil by foreign companies. How do you feel about that?
    American interests > the health of your loved ones
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    let's not kid ourselves. we would do the same thing. didn't trump recently do pretty much that last week?

    but this should be a wake up call. bring essential manufacturing back to the US. but be prepared to pay through the nose.
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    Originally Posted by rhadam View Post
    Would you rather he chit-talked them? I'm sure that would help the situation. Dealing with a country like China or NK takes deft and skill, and you have to feed their ego while also being tough. These types of countries are all about saving face and looking great.. even though their respective countries are anything but.

    Pray tell, how would you do this differently? If you're going to criticize, offer up workable suggestions. This is the way forward, through positivity.
    Deal with them straight and stop adopting one extreme view or the other. Trump is all "China is a currency manipulator and threat to the world!" or "China is great and we have an amazing friendship!"

    It's like how he deals with his cult. Everything is in absolutes with him. "Immigrants are a horrible danger to our country!" "the fake news is a danger to our country!"

    He has zero tact or nuance.
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Deal with them straight and stop adopting one extreme view or the other. Trump is all "China is a currency manipulator and threat to the world!" or "China is great and we have an amazing friendship!"

    It's like how he deals with his cult. Everything is in absolutes with him. "Immigrants are a horrible danger to our country!" "the fake news is a danger to our country!"

    He has zero tact or nuance.
    They are, and need to be dealt with accordingly.
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    oh well the american companies shouldn't have undercut American workers and their families for greater profits. When you open up shop in China you abide by their rules and laws first and foremost. These capitalist cucks knew that from the get go and felt it was worth the risk. Then when sht hits the fan the corporations and their online army of cuckbots cry foul.

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    Good.

    I hope China continues to do it so companies will move their **** back, maybe.

    I am rooting for you China, make our companies hate you as much as the people, thanks.
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    What about the legal action from the global community for China allowing African Swine Fever to proliferate in their country for over two years which put us in a global pandemic?
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    lol - of course not. everything that enters China, is China's. They have been caught over and over and over again for stealing IP, planting backdoors in their electronics, etc.

    Why beat them with ingenuity when you can steal their IP and race to the bottom for pricing when you have sweatshops (basically slave labor) to produce? Ah, dat communisim.
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    Bernie opposed normalizing trade relations with China. He firmly believes that current trade relations with China are detrimental to job growth and wealth equality in the United States. Bernie has criticized trade deals as being “designed to protect the interests of the largest multinational corporations at the expense of workers, consumers, the environment and the foundations of American democracy.” The U.S. trade deficit with China was $419 billion in 2018. The growing trade deficit with China has led to the loss of over 3.4 million U.S. manufacturing jobs since 2001.
    What does Bernie’s track record look like with regard to Chinese trade policy?

    In 1993, Bernie voted in the House against granting China “Most Favored Nation” status. In 2000, Bernie voted against Permanent Normal Trade Relations (PNTR) with China which has lead to the loss of more than 3.4 million jobs for Americans.

    “Let’s be clear: one of the major reasons that the middle class in America is disappearing, poverty is increasing and the gap between the rich and everyone else is growing wider and wider is due to our disastrous unfettered free trade policy.”
    now all of you guys are jumping on board of what Sanders has been saying for decades. But you're too late. He was right all along, and in typical dumbo fashion, you direct your hate and vitriol toward him while worshipping a guy who still makes his merchandise in China instead of paying Americans and giving them good jobs.

    You can be your typical dumb right-wing self and admit that Sanders was absolutely correct on the issue.
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    If you think Trump is a idiot then what about the last presidents who allowed our pharmaceutical and steel production to China. What could possibly go wrong?
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    now all of you guys are jumping on board of what Sanders has been saying for decades. But you're too late. He was right all along, and in typical dumbo fashion, you direct your hate and vitriol toward him while worshipping a guy who still makes his merchandise in China instead of paying Americans and giving them good jobs.

    You can be your typical dumb right-wing self and admit that Sanders was absolutely correct on the issue.
    Sanders is correct on trade but wrong on everything else. That's a failed ticket.
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    hmmm intredasting... to my knowledge all commercial land and therefore property in china belongs to the state, whether it is from foreign investment or not. the govt of china does compensate the owners for "seized" property though.

    idk however if that would also apply to equipment inside the property. if it does and that is actually in chinese law, american companies have nothing to complain about... they should have read the contract.
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    Originally Posted by Procta View Post
    U.S. companies are finding out they don't own their own factories in China, when they tried to export THEIR medical equipment, the Chinese government stopped them.


    Trump administration weighs legal action over alleged Chinese hoarding of PPE
    https://nypost.com/2020/04/05/trump-...arding-of-ppe/

    Leading US manufacturers of medical safety gear told the White House that China prohibited them from exporting their products from the country as the coronavirus pandemic mounted — even as Beijing was trying to “corner the world market” in personal protective equipment, The Post has learned.


    Who woulda thought


    Factories in China still have to follow Chinese law.

    Who would have thought.
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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    Sanders is correct on trade but wrong on everything else. That's a failed ticket.
    What are the odds he'd really stand by that today.

    Bernie has shown himself to not be a man of principle.
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    China is a sovereign country.

    They decide what crosses their border in which direction.

    It's as basic as that.
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    Deal with them straight and stop adopting one extreme view or the other. Trump is all "China is a currency manipulator and threat to the world!" or "China is great and we have an amazing friendship!"

    It's like how he deals with his cult. Everything is in absolutes with him. "Immigrants are a horrible danger to our country!" "the fake news is a danger to our country!"

    He has zero tact or nuance.

    Like bro who gives a fukk. Talking about nuance. U have zero clue what it would be being trump or a pres of an country as powerful as the usa. You are some middle manager with 100k posts on a bodybuilding forum and you don’t even workout. You are a puzzy azz hoe. And idgaf about trump or any president period because thats a level above my overstanding. U couldnt even run a boyscout troop, and legally prolly not allowed to because u look like a chomo
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    Lol this was in January. Back when nobody was dying in the US but Americans on here were all "lol dirty Chinese dying". No major orders were placed for masks until two months later!

    Every country has blocked export of relevant medical equipment after being hit. As if they wouldn't be guarding their reserves of equipment when they were at the height of their battle.

    The US is blocking export of masks right now, tried to monopolize a potential vaccine, and is being accused of piracy by "allies" - the irony is just too strong. You need supplies? Fair enough, that's the position China was in in January.

    Lol at thinking this kangaroo court case is anything other than another deflection and mind game on the public.
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    Originally Posted by andy0w View Post
    China is a sovereign country.

    They decide what crosses their border in which direction.

    It's as basic as that.
    Would be nice if the left respected borders and trade/immigration
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    Originally Posted by andy0w View Post
    China is a sovereign country.

    They decide what crosses their border in which direction.

    It's as basic as that.
    wrong. they have to respect the contract they made with the american companies.

    if it doesnt specify whether or not materials inside the properties could be held by the state as per chinese law, the american companies have every right to demand action be taken.


    it isnt clear that is the case though. it could be that under chinese law and the contracts signed by both parties did in fact have a clause about this.
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    Originally Posted by andy0w View Post
    China is a sovereign country.

    They decide what crosses their border in which direction.

    It's as basic as that.
    neat.
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    Originally Posted by exxtracool View Post
    wrong. they have to respect the contract they made with the american companies.

    if it doesnt specify whether or not materials inside the properties could be held by the state as per chinese law, the american companies have every right to demand action be taken.


    it isnt clear that is the case though. it could be that under chinese law and the contracts signed by both parties did in fact have a clause about this.
    Also, CCP signed/promised that they will comply with international business law as they were allowed to join WTO.

    It is very obvious that they lie again just to join WTO. CCP will never comply with any international standard.

    Time to kick CCP out of WTO and isolate them.

    The world need to unify against this monstrous lying regime.

    CCP is the enemy of humanity, freedom, democracy, free market, and justice.
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    oh well the american companies shouldn't have undercut American workers and their families for greater profits. When you open up shop in China you abide by their rules and laws first and foremost. These capitalist cucks knew that from the get go and felt it was worth the risk. Then when sht hits the fan the corporations and their online army of cuckbots cry foul.

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    Originally Posted by Polaris View Post
    What are the odds he'd really stand by that today.

    Bernie has shown himself to not be a man of principle.
    Lets not forget either that Bernies immigration polices include anyone who can make into America as never having to leave and granted amnesty/citizenship. So whats stopping millions of chinese from coming here legally and then never leaving all while being granted amnesty and then an electoral voice. Absolutely nothing.

    Other migrant groups have flooded states and completely changed the political landscapes of those states as well.
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    Originally Posted by vickissick07 View Post
    Erase the national debt and we're good China.
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    Communist don't beleive in personal property. They might let you basically rent the rights to it, in a limited way, but the government truely owns it. They reserve the right to take anything they want. If you "bought" anything over there, or brought anything over there, and you aren't aware of this, you deserve to lose it all.

    Of course, we could just print the money they say we owe them and be done with it too.

    We could also just say fuk it, and not pay them back, cancel their debt, what are they going to do? Send one of their aircraft carriers over here, the one with a ramp that has to be refueled and flies planes that can barely carry one bomb at a time that will just get shot down?
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    Can you please invade Canada and make it the 51st State? We have tons of resources for you Ameribrahs to seize.

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    Originally Posted by exxtracool View Post
    wrong. they have to respect the contract they made with the american companies.

    if it doesnt specify whether or not materials inside the properties could be held by the state as per chinese law, the american companies have every right to demand action be taken.


    it isnt clear that is the case though. it could be that under chinese law and the contracts signed by both parties did in fact have a clause about this.
    The irony is that you really are our lapdog because we blocked a bunch of facemasks into Canada
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