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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    Heaven forbid Trump attempts to portray a little hope to the American people even if that hope was based on some less than ideal early trials.
    But false hope when people are desperate isn't helpful either, if you are a realist.
    I hoped that he was correct but then.......scientists referred to 2 studies, 1 showing a slight/minor improvement and 1 showing none at all.
    No one wants to get their hopes up and be let down; which actually feels much worse when you buy into the "miracle cure" hype.
    sums it up a thread will start off promising and then turn into name calling..
    The easiest way to tell when an argument has no merit is when the protagonist mixes in some personal insults.
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    Haven’t seen anything even preliminarily published yet. Which is the last thing anyone wants to hear when faced with a highly infectious, scary as fuk disease that is decimating economies.
    The disease isnt decimating economies, governments are
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    He's already probably told his brainwashed sheep that he's cured cancer.

    Y'all believe every lie that comes out of his fat mouth.

    "Greatest economy ever" <> destroyed in 2 weeks.

    phuking clowns.
    Remember when liberals were so fuking stupid that they drank fish tank cleaner? But Trump supporters are the dumb ones who just believe everything he says?
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    Originally Posted by Procta View Post
    good thing Trump took the gloves off with "right to try" so you dont have to wait for something published or government/ highly bureaucratic FDA to allow it or is that whole "my body my choice" thing bad now

    especially when time matters, you can also have trials and vaccine creation at the simultaneously that would inevitability be approved
    Because safety is still a major concern with a lot of these drugs and very expensive. That's why Right to Try is for drugs post phase 1 trials (which is generally for safety in healthy individuals).

    FDA also has the expanded access or compassionate use programs.

    Also most drugs fail to get approved for one reason or another so it is difficult to tell currently which of the many treatments and vaccines being investigated will be effective.
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    Then serious answer

    I honestly believe he’s playing his ongoing game of control the populace and the story no matter the factual basis. Always been interesting to watch the decimation of belief in the media, twitter and social media usage and odd posturing

    But dis misc so feel free to translate into “orange man bad” speak
    So you literally think Trump is the one who is trying to control the populace with misinformation, not the media...I have watched every single press conference he's had on this, and at NO TIME did he ever say that crap was a magical cure. Ever. That is 100% propaganda perpetuated by the MSM. He did in fact state multiple times that it had promise and why not "give it a shot." And also we don't have years, we have days. We're working under an accelerated pace, so having some multi-year trial is just out of the question.

    Further, there is plenty of actual evidence it might mitigate the symptoms of the virus. Are you actually going to deny that now? Again, that's pure MSM propaganda. No matter how many times the media claims it's merely "anecdotal", that in no way de-legitimizes the fact that multiple doctors with real degrees in medicine are using it with some success. Is it a miracle cure? Nope. Does it seem to work in a lot of cases? Yes.

    So go ahead and keep reading all the articles you want, plenty of people have taken the drug and experienced good results.
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    Because safety is still a major concern with a lot of these drugs and very expensive.
    They're actually super cheap and ubiquitous. As far as possibly being dangerous, if I knew I was either probably going to die or could take a drug that's been around forever and had a 50/50 shot at working, if I had TDS obviously I'd just die to spite Trump.
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    In this instance of Hydroxychloroquine

    Ive seen a figure $25 a dose for COVID treatment

    Hydroxychloroquine was approved for medical use in the United States in 1955

    additionally FDA approved "off label" use of it for COVID
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    Originally Posted by BFast55 View Post
    "Trump cures cancer, puts treatment centers out of work.
    While this is humorous, Thomas Sowell talks about something similar when he went to work for the Department of Labor (I think, been a while since I read the book). He had Marxist leanings (his own words) but that changed over a summer because he discovered the workers were wholly uninterested in actually getting people jobs because that would eliminate their own positions. Essentially, they wanted to maintain the status quo so they had employment; fixing the system was unimportant.
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    They're actually super cheap and ubiquitous. As far as possibly being dangerous, if I knew I was either probably going to die or could take a drug that's been around forever and had a 50/50 shot at working, if I had TDS obviously I'd just die to spite Trump.
    Depends if one's insurance will cover off label treatments. And I'm not saying we shouldn't try things, as I said there are numerous drugs being investigated as potential treatments, I am weary of being too optimistic on a drug being effective. I do work in the industry and I've seen a lot of drugs with promise not meet endpoints in phase 3 trials. It happens and I'm particularly weary about doing this with an antibiotic, otherwise next year we will have outbreaks of super gonorrhea or something. Also making off label claims about a drug would probably get me fired.
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    Depends if one's insurance will cover off label treatments. And I'm not saying we shouldn't try things, as I said there are numerous drugs being investigated as potential treatments, I am weary of being too optimistic on a drug being effective. I do work in the industry and I've seen a lot of drugs with promise not meet endpoints in phase 3 trials. It happens and I'm particularly weary about doing this with an antibiotic, otherwise next year we will have outbreaks of super gonorrhea or something. Also making off label claims about a drug would probably get me fired.
    It was my understanding that the Federal government was covering people's copay to use the treatment. Also, FDA approved it, so that'd be hard for an insurance company to deny that, I'd think.

    RE: you making comments, yeah, I get it. EXACTLY why Dr. Birx/Fauci cannot say this works; they don't want to lose their medical license. Who's to say they didn't tell Trump it had promise and he made the statements? It's pretty obvious at this point he literally DGAF what anyone thinks about him.
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    Based on some of Donald Trump's other scientific work I'll take a pass on his medical opinions.
    What does a virus relief bill and green energy have to do with eachother?
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    It was my understanding that the Federal government was covering people's copay to use the treatment. Also, FDA approved it, so that'd be hard for an insurance company to deny that, I'd think.

    RE: you making comments, yeah, I get it. EXACTLY why Dr. Birx/Fauci cannot say this works; they don't want to lose their medical license. Who's to say they didn't tell Trump it had promise and he made the statements? It's pretty obvious at this point he literally DGAF what anyone thinks about him.
    I've heard differing things about what is covered or isn't covered, like testing, treatments, etc. If it is being covered that's great. I hope cost doesn't become barrier to effective treatments.

    Maybe they did tell him something, neither of us can tell. I am just personally weary about making claims and think we should push forward with these trials as quickly as possible.

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    Based on some of Donald Trump's other scientific work I'll take a pass on his medical opinions.
    He's literally handling this the exact same stupid way he handled the sharpie with the weather map fiasco. Claiming you have nothing to lose is idiotic at best and dangerous at worst.

    The reality is people "see good results" whether they take the drug or they don't. No one really knows at this point if it really has an effect, there simply hasn't been enough time to properly test it.
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    I've heard differing things about what is covered or isn't covered, like testing, treatments, etc. If it is being covered that's great. I hope cost doesn't become barrier to effective treatments.

    Maybe they did tell him something, neither of us can tell. I am just personally weary about making claims and think we should push forward with these trials as quickly as possible.

    I don't think the media can claim absolutely either that the drugs aren't effective either at this point.
    That's the whole point about this thing...the MSM doesn't want there to be a possible cure; they gain nothing if this crap ends before they can milk it for all it's worth. I wouldn't care if they actually presented the remote possibility the drugs could work, but they're making it sound like you'd have to be borderline retarded to even consider that.
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    Originally Posted by ImpressiveGainz View Post
    That's the whole point about this thing...the MSM doesn't want there to be a possible cure; they gain nothing if this crap ends before they can milk it for all it's worth. I wouldn't care if they actually presented the remote possibility the drugs could work, but they're making it sound like you'd have to be borderline retarded to even consider that.
    Yea the media generally isn't very good when it come to medical science either. How often do you see articles along the lines of "an ounce of chocolate a date is equal to 5 hours of weight training" or something like that.
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    He's literally handling this the exact same stupid way he handled the sharpie with the weather map fiasco. Claiming you have nothing to lose is idiotic at best and dangerous at worst.

    The reality is people "see good results" whether they take the drug or they don't. No one really knows at this point if it really has an effect, there simply hasn't been enough time to properly test it.
    Well I'm convinced we should definitely let people die without trying while we wait for the perfect clinical trial to finish especially since the drugs are extremely expensive at $25 a pop and have massive side effects.
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    I'm asking seriously here instead of sarcastically...Trump probably has access to more information than any one individual on the planet. Why do you think that somehow your reading of internet articles is more valuable than what he knows?
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    Well I'm convinced we should definitely let people die without trying while we wait for the perfect clinical trial to finish especially since the drugs are extremely expensive at $25 a pop and have massive side effects.
    Why stop there? Why not throw EVERY drug known to man at it? What do you have to lose?

    And just lol if you think millions of people start taking this drug that it will still cost $25.. oh and it also has plenty of side effects.
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    I still have trouble figuring out why this is such a heated debate.

    If somebody is on their last breath and about to die, you will try to use anything to save their life, including things that haven't gone through the proper clinical trials. Once again, it seems like TDS is making something an issue that shouldn't be an issue.

    As long as the medical community understands whats involved with prescribing the drug (meaning they shouldn't do it casually for someone who might get sick), there should be no issue with it. Doctors should treat "requests" for the drug the same way they would treat requests for narcotics.
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    Originally Posted by FatBallz View Post
    I still have trouble figuring out why this is such a heated debate.

    If somebody is on their last breath and about to die, you will try to use anything to save their life, including things that haven't gone through the proper clinical trials. Once again, it seems like TDS is making something an issue that shouldn't be an issue.

    As long as the medical community understands whats involved with prescribing the drug (meaning they shouldn't do it casually for someone who might get sick), there should be no issue with it. Doctors should treat "requests" for the drug the same way they would treat requests for narcotics.
    If someone is down to their last breath this drug isn't going to help. For the anecdotal positive response, the person needs to start taking it fairly early.
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    Of course they would. This pandemic is the best thing that has happened to disgraceful scumbag libs in the past 4 years, after all their coup attempts have failed, they now want to destroy the economy and send the entire country through hell just for a slight chance to get rid of Drumphf and soothe their never-ending election loss butthurt.

    Pathetic cockroaches. Yeah I’m talking about you over there leftist scum, you know it’s true.

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    Originally Posted by FatBallz View Post
    I still have trouble figuring out why this is such a heated debate.

    If somebody is on their last breath and about to die, you will try to use anything to save their life, including things that haven't gone through the proper clinical trials. Once again, it seems like TDS is making something an issue that shouldn't be an issue.

    As long as the medical community understands whats involved with prescribing the drug (meaning they shouldn't do it casually for someone who might get sick), there should be no issue with it. Doctors should treat "requests" for the drug the same way they would treat requests for narcotics.
    Doctors are trying it in different situations; Cuomo in his morning presser just confirmed it. But everyone seems very, very, cautious when discussing its real world potential.

    Ok all but 1 guy.
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