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    Arrow "If Trump found a cure for Cancer, the /libs/Dems/media would have a problem with it"

    Now replace cure for cancer with Hydroxychloroquine & Azithromycin and the meme / saying comes to life .



    Trump’s Embrace of Unproven Drugs to Treat Coronavirus Defies Science
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/h...ine-trump.html
    Trump Again Promotes Use of Unproven Anti-Malaria Drug; Deaths in Country May Be Undercounted
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/w...s-updates.html
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    Dems dragging their heels about hydro proves they dont want this to end. They want people to die
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    He's already probably told his brainwashed sheep that he's cured cancer.

    Y'all believe every lie that comes out of his fat mouth.

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    How the fuk would Trump find a cure for anything ? Is he a scientist now ?

    This drug has no impact on serious cases (according to latest clinical trials ..in Paris and China, both relatively small but more robust than the initial french and Chinese studies) but can maybe help earlier on with moderate symptoms.

    Let’s hope that further trials prove some miraculous cure

    In the meantime
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    How the fuk would Trump find a cure for anything ? Is he a scientist now ?

    This drug has no impact on serious cases (according to latest clinical trials ..in Paris and China, both relatively small but more robust than the initial french and Chinese studies) but can maybe help earlier on with moderate symptoms.

    Let’s hope that further trials prove some miraculous cure

    In the meantime
    How long have you been involved with infectious disease research? Curious where you went to school for that.
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    anyone say or claim that there is a cure for the Chinese Virus or that Trump is a scientist?
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    Originally Posted by Procta View Post
    Now replace cure for cancer with Hydroxychloroquine & Azithromycin and the meme / saying comes to life .



    Trump’s Embrace of Unproven Drugs to Treat Coronavirus Defies Science
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/h...ine-trump.html
    Trump Again Promotes Use of Unproven Anti-Malaria Drug; Deaths in Country May Be Undercounted
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/w...s-updates.html
    I think people are just waiting for more evidence, usually in the form of clinical trials. Information seems relatively mixed currently as to the results.

    Ultimately there are many drugs being investigated as treatments. This drug combination is far from the only one but it seems to keep getting pumped out for whatever reason.
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    Originally Posted by ImpressiveGainz View Post
    How long have you been involved with infectious disease research? Curious where you went to school for that.
    Not my field, but I do enjoy reading the actual sources and not the tabloid / blogosphere / land of hysteria the internet creates

    Here, from another thread yesterday ... check the links. The field is expanding daily.

    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    I’m really sorry but there is absolutely no evidence currently to show that there is any impact at all for those in severe difficulty

    Latest french study on patients with severe infection

    https://pdf.sciencedirectassets.com/...qb&type=client

    “In summary, despite a reported antiviral activity of chloroquine against COVID-19 in vitro, we found no evidence of a strong antiviral activity or clinical benefit of the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin for the treatment of our hospitalized patients with severe COVID-19. Ongoing randomized clinical trials with hydroxychloroquine should provide a definitive answer regarding the alleged efficacy of this combination and will assess its safety.”

    Replicated in another Chinese study - no efficacy
    http://www.zjujournals.com/med/EN/10...292.2020.03.03

    “One patient in HCQ group developed to severe during the treatment. On day 7, COVID-19 nucleic acid of throat swabs was negative in 13 (86.7%) cases in the HCQ group and 14 (93.3%) cases in the control group (P>0.05). The median duration from hospitalization to virus nucleic acid negative conservation was 4 (1-9) days in HCQ group, which is comparable to that in the control group[2 (1-4) days, (U=83.5, P>0.05)]. The median time for body temperature normalization in HCQ group was 1 (0-2) after hospitalization, which was also comparable to that in the control group 1 (0-3). Radiological progression was shown on CT images in 5 cases (33.3%) of the HCQ group and 7 cases (46.7%) of the control group, and all patients showed improvement in follow-up examination”


    Let’s hope for more positive news for other combinations and other meds in trials
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    Not my field, but I do enjoy reading the actual sources and not the tabloid / blogosphere / land of hysteria the internet creates

    Here, from another thread yesterday ... check the links. The field is expanding daily.
    I see, so basically you have access to internet stuff like everyone else. I guess Trump just reads tabloids, right?
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    the gist of the thread was OMB

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    Originally Posted by ImpressiveGainz View Post
    I see, so basically you have access to internet stuff like everyone else. I guess Trump just reads tabloids, right?
    Fukken acts like it doesn’t he?

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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    Fukken acts like it doesn’t he?

    LOL
    I'm asking seriously here instead of sarcastically...Trump probably has access to more information than any one individual on the planet. Why do you think that somehow your reading of internet articles is more valuable than what he knows?
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    How the fuk would Trump find a cure for anything ? Is he a scientist now ?

    This drug has no impact on serious cases (according to latest clinical trials ..in Paris and China, both relatively small but more robust than the initial french and Chinese studies) but can maybe help earlier on with moderate symptoms.

    Let’s hope that further trials prove some miraculous cure

    In the meantime
    This gif is another misinformation thing. Trump used the phrase "Deep State" and Fauci thought it was funny. He wasn't laughing at any sort of medical information/advice. Are we going to post gifs of people smiling now when Trump made the funny comment about avoiding the Dr that had a fever?
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    Originally Posted by ImpressiveGainz View Post
    I'm asking seriously here instead of sarcastically...Trump probably has access to more information than any one individual on the planet. Why do you think that somehow your reading of internet articles is more valuable than what he knows?
    Are you actually arguing that Trump has some kind of insight into effective treatments? Weird how it's only the non-medical people arguing to go full steam ahead, while the actual scientist are the ones who say we use tried and true methods.

    Trump is literally an imbecile.
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    Originally Posted by ImpressiveGainz View Post
    I'm asking seriously here instead of sarcastically...Trump probably has access to more information than any one individual on the planet. Why do you think that somehow your reading of internet articles is more valuable than what he knows?
    Then serious answer

    I honestly believe he’s playing his ongoing game of control the populace and the story no matter the factual basis. Always been interesting to watch the decimation of belief in the media, twitter and social media usage and odd posturing

    But dis misc so feel free to translate into “orange man bad” speak
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    Originally Posted by ImpressiveGainz View Post
    I'm asking seriously here instead of sarcastically...Trump probably has access to more information than any one individual on the planet. Why do you think that somehow your reading of internet articles is more valuable than what he knows?

    These are clinical trials though not Top Secret information. What information would he have on the trials that wouldn't be available to the public? Completed trials would have their results posted generally.
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    anyone say or claim that there is a cure for the Chinese Virus or that Trump is a scientist?
    Your Op insinuates that it was Trump himself who discovered the usefulness of these drugs in combatting covid-19, when infact it would have been one of his advisors who told him about it.

    Furthermore, although the drugs appear to show promise in milder cases their effectiveness across the board has not yet been confirmed.
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    Originally Posted by kingmanaverage View Post
    Your Op insinuates that it was Trump himself who discovered the usefulness of these drugs in combatting covid-19, when infact it would have been one of his advisors who told him about it.

    Furthermore, although the drugs appear to show promise in milder cases their effectiveness across the board has not yet been confirmed.
    umm, no it hammers home the fact that no matter what Trump does or says the media will be completely opposite

    Mainstream Media completely ignores any glimmers of hope and good news during this terrible pandemic. Anything contrary to their apocalyptic reality show narrative is dismissed.
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    Originally Posted by kingmanaverage View Post
    Your Op insinuates that it was Trump himself who discovered the usefulness of these drugs in combatting covid-19, when infact it would have been one of his advisors who told him about it.

    Furthermore, although the drugs appear to show promise in milder cases their effectiveness across the board has not yet been confirmed.
    Unfortunately more recent studies are showing no evidence in serious cases, there’s still a way to go
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    Originally Posted by kingmanaverage View Post
    Your Op insinuates that it was Trump himself who discovered the usefulness of these drugs in combatting covid-19, when infact it would have been one of his advisors who told him about it.

    Furthermore, although the drugs appear to show promise in milder cases their effectiveness across the board has not yet been confirmed.
    Heaven forbid Trump attempts to portray a little hope to the American people even if that hope was based on some less than ideal early trials.
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    Unfortunately more recent studies are showing no evidence in serious cases, there’s still a way to go
    So have you came across any other treatment/procedure that shows any promise against this virus?
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    Originally Posted by Procta View Post
    umm, no it hammers home the fact that no matter what Trump does or says the media will be completely opposite
    The media doesn't like him no matter what he says or does, that is correct. I don't think him endorsing hydroxychloroquine is akin to him finding a proven cure for cancer though.

    We don't know too much about the effectiveness of the drug either way, so both him and the MSM should stop praising/criticising the drug until we know more about it's usefulness in treating covid-19.
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    Then serious answer

    I honestly believe he’s playing his ongoing game of control the populace and the story no matter the factual basis. Always been interesting to watch the decimation of belief in the media, twitter and social media usage and odd posturing

    But dis misc so feel free to translate into “orange man bad” speak
    You think the American public is too stupid to see what the media has been doing so it must be Trump just telling all us cultists what to think?

    That statement was obnoxiously childish and/or naive.
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    Trump doesnt even have to find a cure himself, all he has to do is say something positive about it and the sky screamers will be against it
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    He's already probably told his brainwashed sheep that he's cured cancer.

    Y'all believe every lie that comes out of his fat mouth.

    "Greatest economy ever" <> destroyed in 2 weeks.

    phuking clowns.
    Cured cancer? no he didnt.

    Obama or Hillary's economy would have been worse during the pandemic, because it never would have reached the heights it has with Trump

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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    He's already probably told his brainwashed sheep that he's cured cancer.
    Reality: He simply stated that it held promise and was being looked into. The response was to label him a murderer or scream about him even suggesting it from the media and people like you. Talk about brainwashed.

    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    Unfortunately more recent studies are showing no evidence in serious cases, there’s still a way to go
    So, if it's only helpful 2/3 of the time, or 1/2 of the time or only in times when it's applied early, that's a big deal.
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    Originally Posted by Procta View Post
    So have you came across any other treatment/procedure that shows any promise against this virus?
    There are number of treatments in trials and a number of vaccines in trials, more in development phases. So there is certainly a lot to look forward to but these things take time even when accelerated through trials and FDA approvals.
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    Originally Posted by Procta View Post
    So have you came across any other treatment/procedure that shows any promise against this virus?
    Haven’t seen anything even preliminarily published yet. Which is the last thing anyone wants to hear when faced with a highly infectious, scary as fuk disease that is decimating economies.
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    good thing Trump took the gloves off with "right to try" so you dont have to wait for something published or government/ highly bureaucratic FDA to allow it or is that whole "my body my choice" thing bad now

    especially when time matters, you can also have trials and vaccine creation at the simultaneously that would inevitability be approved
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