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04-05-2020, 10:24 AM #31
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04-05-2020, 10:25 AM #32
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04-05-2020, 10:29 AM #33
Oh for sure and I could say the same for myself. But it's precisely the fact that him saying nothing new, is why it's effective.
Considering all the new regurgitated concepts put in different words coming out every year, his channel is a breath of fresh air to me. Have you ever wasted so much time starting out because of all the thousands of different ideas out there? If all the bs videos, articles, advice could just be deleted off the internet and just have the essential truth, it would save people so much time. Sifting through all the bs has been a harder journey than working out itself for me lol. In the end I just got left feeling disappointed and enlightened at the same timeLast edited by Animal2692; 04-05-2020 at 10:36 AM.
"The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." -Sigmund Freud
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." -Leonardo da Vinci
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04-05-2020, 10:30 AM #34
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'IF' the final set is within 2 reps of failure you've gotten the max out of that set. I use a combination of weight cycling and pushing the final set for 2 extra reps and over the course of a 4 week cycle what started out easy ends in the twilight zone. On the final work out I'm 10 pounds over my best 3x5 weight. If I don't get it I have to choose between repeating the cycle or re-figuring my 3x5 weight. Sometimes I get crazy and start the cycle with 5x5 for the first 3 workouts followed by 3x5 for the next 3 and finish with 1x5 for the final 2 workouts. Everything works and nothing works!
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04-05-2020, 10:31 AM #35
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04-05-2020, 10:48 AM #36
Sounds like Sean's pushing the 'sets to failure or nothing' idea, which I kinda agree with. But, there's exercises like benchpress and back squat where it becomes problematic to take to that point, so you kinda have to stop before it. I think at least one set taken to failure is a nice compromise, if it's possible in the exercise performed. As far as hypertrophic response, i've seen people get impressive physiques using both high and low volumes, so i'm not entirely sold on the amount performed being a deciding factor. And actually, with many home gyms not having the kind of weight available that the user would like - taking what you do have to failure isn't that bad of an idea if you can force a response each time that way. Gotta do whatcha gotta do, ya know?
Back to basics full body routine: https://pastebin.com/5BgKgrMv
Training journal: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=178059671&p=1598034261#post1598034261
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04-05-2020, 10:50 AM #37
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04-05-2020, 10:52 AM #38
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04-05-2020, 10:55 AM #39
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04-05-2020, 11:30 AM #40
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04-05-2020, 11:57 AM #41
The reason I don't do that is because I train using auto-regulated progression. So I'm going to be pushing auto-regulated progression instead of progression schemes. It is just so much easier to go by feel in my opinion. Your muscles tell you what you can and can't do. I'd prefer helping noobs learn how to get in touch with their muscles over numbers. Numbers are based on expectations. Muscles go off of real time strength. They can either do an extra rep today or not. I like having a very natural and simple approach completely stripped down to the most boring form possible.
Last edited by Animal2692; 04-05-2020 at 12:03 PM.
"The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." -Sigmund Freud
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." -Leonardo da Vinci
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04-05-2020, 12:08 PM #42
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04-05-2020, 12:09 PM #43
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04-05-2020, 12:12 PM #44
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04-05-2020, 12:15 PM #45anonymousGuest
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04-05-2020, 12:21 PM #46
My pics is proof of progression.
https://ibb.co/Ws2LjZx
Can't argue with the mirror
I'm all for the same exercises, volume, etc. in F5 and all but I think it's easier just to train hard and add a rep or weight when you can. Progress isn't always linear either. As long as you train hard with enough volume and eat enough, the progress automatically comes."The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." -Sigmund Freud
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." -Leonardo da Vinci
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04-05-2020, 12:27 PM #47
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04-05-2020, 12:45 PM #48
I actually really strongly disagree with this. The biggest problems for noobs are lack of consistency, poor programming, and not pushing hard enough. If you give a noob a good beginner routine with set progression that will take care of the latter two problems. Maybe the first few workouts they don't have to push hard but eventually to continue making progress they will be forced to dig deeper, push harder, and do more reps or more weight. If you tell them to go by feel they will generally stop far short of pushing themselves hard enough to progress over an extended period of time. At least that's been my observation in >15 years on this site and in multiple different gyms.
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04-05-2020, 12:49 PM #49
I could agree with that. My biggest gripe with set progression is when it leads to too much overreaching and break down of form just to lift 5 more lbs or do another rep. I was that guy. When I finally said screw the set progression I'm going to do more when I can, then I started making gains again. I always knew how to push hard as a noob because I was also exposed to the idea of failure from being so obsessed with bodybuilding back then as well as having been on the varsity track team in high school. I'd push myself to the point of throwing up on several occassions as a noob. Say I struggled with a weight last workout. Well the next workout I'd STILL try to add even more weight. All a novice program really helped me with was consistency and good exercise selection.
Someone whose already very familiar with pushing hard enough is better off with auto regulated progression in my opinion.Last edited by Animal2692; 04-05-2020 at 01:19 PM.
"The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." -Sigmund Freud
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." -Leonardo da Vinci
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04-05-2020, 01:24 PM #50
If you overreached and sacrificed form that's your fault. If you actually did a proper routine like F5 back then you would've had built-in methods to push past stalls. Because you couldn't progress on your own made up routine for linear progression, you knock all other proven programs for noobs.
And instead of getting on a proper program, you stopped lifting weights all together for weighted calisthenics, and now knock lifting weights and rely on increasing bodyweight as your sole progression method. If you had actually succeeded in progressing with weights, you never would've had the "weighted calisthenics > weights anyday" revelation.
You back yourself into corners by making decrees in absolutes and thinking you're educating the ignorant masses based on your year or two of training.
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04-05-2020, 02:27 PM #51
Whatever floats your boat. My pics speak for themselves so obviously my program is proper because it works for me. I actually did and followed a proper routine. Eventually ran out of linear progression. Not saying novice programs don't work at all. Just saying there's some disadvantages.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you succeed with as long as you succeed. We are all here for more or less the same goal. You're really going to sit here and say I couldn't make it with weights so I turned to calisthenics? What if I end up having more muscle doing calisthenics while you're lifting weights for the same reason? Wouldn't you look silly in the end. Only reason I knock lifting weights is based off of real facts such as having to spend time driving to the gym and paying a gym membership. Also getting your own gym as weights is more expensive. I have no other issues with weights other than those mentioned.
I didnt just increase my bodyweight, I gained muscle as you can see in the pics in that link. Everywhere I go everyone noticed I got more jacked and they ask me how. If I only gained fat that sure as hell wouldn't happen. If anything you back yourself into corners for telling me that I got fat when clearly my pics show otherwise.
Show me where I got fat bro:
https://ibb.co/Ws2LjZx
Yeah that's what I thought. Back yourself into a corner some more by saying I got fat. Why don't you just buy yourself a red spongey ball for a nose? Are you jealous you don't have my physique? I don't see you posting any proof or saying anything about my progress pics. All talk. Oh wait I forgot. You're going to come up with some excuse that you have nothing to prove. So what do you keep on smoking over there about me backing myself into corners?
Only reason I say weighted calisthenics>weights is because calisthenics is much more convenient to making gains the cheap way. Iron ain't cheap. Even going to Play it Again Sports, they charge like 72 cents a pound. Weights take up so much space as well.Last edited by Animal2692; 04-05-2020 at 03:13 PM.
"The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." -Sigmund Freud
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." -Leonardo da Vinci
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04-05-2020, 03:18 PM #52
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04-05-2020, 04:26 PM #53
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04-05-2020, 05:28 PM #54
On a different note from the volume debate, I’ve wondered if the whole sand bag/family dog/other improvised equipment (in my case a tool box stuffed with 10-20lb DBs), not counting bodyweight moves here, would provide a different or inadequate stimulus relative to barbell and dumbbells designed to be held in specific ways and with certain proximities to the body in mind. For example, I find that single-arm toolbox rows are awkward in that I don’t feel as though I’m getting the full ROM, even though the camera shows that I do, possibly due to the distribution of weights inside the box and the fact that there is room in between the weight inside and the top of the box and then the handle. I can only fit so much in there, but I try to pad the DBs with clothing as much as I can to mitigate the shifting of weight inside... but it’s still kind of weird.
I’m also having trouble figuring out how to add weight to banded DLs, short of adding bands, because at a certain point the more medium-heavy bands added the harder it is to grip due to the thickness. Chalk and straps can’t save me here.Last edited by Xpiro; 04-05-2020 at 05:36 PM.
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04-05-2020, 07:31 PM #55
I have to disagree with this. You can know how many reps you have left until failure. I know when I have 1 rep in reserve and that's when I end the set. The moment my rep speed drops significantly, I immediately know I got 5 more to go until failure. I guess you can say I try do do as many slow grindy reps as I can before I hit failure. So I'm not necessarily going after failure, I'm just going after those hard reps. Let's say that I'm off by 1 rep and I can do 2 more reps instead of just 1. That's still really good and tells me I got close enough that set. Plus many times you haven't recovered fully or you've had some stress or feeling weak during a workout. Training by feel allows the body to go the direction it wants if it wants more recovery or whatever. Massive Iron youtube channel is all about autoregulated progression.
Last edited by Animal2692; 04-05-2020 at 08:00 PM.
"The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." -Sigmund Freud
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." -Leonardo da Vinci
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04-05-2020, 07:36 PM #56
I know right? It's like I get more and more insights after I finish a post that I can't help but edit and include it in. A lot of times it's because of the insight thing or self amusement. You still haven't proven that I got fat though after I posted my progress pics. Little silent on that aren't we? I actually improved in reps other than weight gain, there's no way I haven't telling from the pics. What the hell was I even talking about. Guess when gains are so slow after passing beginner stage, it feels like you're not making any progress. Until I looked in the mirror I was like damn. I need to start trusting the mirror more
Last edited by Animal2692; 04-05-2020 at 08:07 PM.
"The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." -Sigmund Freud
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." -Leonardo da Vinci
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04-05-2020, 07:44 PM #57
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04-05-2020, 08:06 PM #58
What do you mean?
Granted I am using those rubber loop bands. I fold it in half and stand on it, creating handles, which I feed my hands through and grip from the floor and deadlift up. I kind of have to scrunch the handles up in my hands because they’re so wide-set, if that makes sense. And then of course they get thicker and more difficult to scrunch when I add a second band.
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04-05-2020, 08:13 PM #59
Because when you said banded deadlifts I was picturing barbell deadlifts with bands so I was thinking don't you just put the bands over the bar in that case? But you're doing 100% banded no barbell so now it makes sense. I've done that before, I know how it is. Those heavier bands get so wide you can't even do the exercise.
If you're sticking to banded only, you can try getting some sort of handles for them. Tubular bands allow for this very easily."The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." -Sigmund Freud
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." -Leonardo da Vinci
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04-06-2020, 05:18 AM #60
Yeah, all those people with "Train easy or go home" t-shirts are going to have to buy something else to wear in the gym now.
There is a lot of BS out there: if you can do 80 push-ups in one go - the only target is doing 100 (not considering harder variations), or measuring a workout purely on the basis of how much you sweated (not if you're progressing over time).
Thankfully... that BS is very scarce in these forums. You're in the right place.Last edited by OldFartTom; 04-06-2020 at 05:26 AM.
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