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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    If you were dying from Corona you would want to try this, stop, this is a weak argument, let it go, any promising treatment is great news.

    There are plenty of things we know work that have no definitive backing in studies. As an example we know that some people look and feel better on low carb diets, and yet there is no proof in research that low carb diets are superior, We know increased protein intake far above what is proven by science to have added benefit is non the less effective for many people despite studies being unable to show this benefit, this is because every person responds differently, if you were dying from Corona you would ask for this, stop pretending.
    You’re dismissing the latest studies in favour of hope of snake oil

    I don’t know how to respond to that
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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    Leftists dont want a cure, they want chaos and fear to destroy our lives
    all because of how the media creates them to be. its easy to manipulate unaware people, very easy to influence them and spiral them into chaos. SCREEEECH ORANGE MAN BAD!
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    You’re dismissing the latest studies in favour of hope of snake oil

    I don’t know how to respond to that
    he operates on feels. there is no reasoning.
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    You’re dismissing the latest studies in favour of hope of snake oil

    I don’t know how to respond to that

    Snake oil could possibly help prevent the virus

    https://immunology.sciencemag.org/content/4/41/eaav2026



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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    lmfao. Trump supporters really don't science. ib4 the chiropractor says it works...

    You're better off handling it like y'all do shooting. Thoughts and prayers.
    you really give trump too much credit
    The Chinese, South Koreans, and French have all mentioned it as a possible therapy to combat this virus
    This was public data way before trump said it

    But since trump said it, people now think about it politically
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    Yeah a treatment developed by medical science in a country that isn't even the US, is somehow Trump's initiative. Fuk the cultists are retarded drooling morons.
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    I love how in the OP video there are doctors who had great success with this treatment with their patients, but the attack of the Haters is on the video narrator... umm... LOL... I don’t even...

    So basically if I said my phone or weather channel on TV says tomorrow it will most likely rain those same people would attack me and demand to see my credentials in weather prediction expertise.

    This forum is special.
    does your phone or weather channel have a laundry list of disciplinary actions and a history of spewing pseudoscience?

    what makes you think he couldn't be easily be doing the same chit here? lol if you think he is just "reporting" in a non-biased manner and not trying to put his own spin into this. Based on his history that is not what he does.

    the logic you are trying to apply here makes no sense and now it just seems like you're getting mad lol

    like I said I'm not dismissing it as a potential treatment/cure before people get all bent out of shape about it

    edit: to frame it in a way that you would understand, it's basically the equivalent of going to CNN for all your news and "reporting". I mean if CNN were the one that put a video out like that would you be giving it the same endorsement??
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    Originally Posted by sooby View Post
    does your phone or weather channel have a laundry list of disciplinary actions and a history of spewing pseudoscience?

    what makes you think he couldn't be easily be doing the same chit here? lol if you think he is just "reporting" in a non-biased manner and not trying to put his own spin into this. Based on his history that is not what he does.

    the logic you are trying to apply here makes no sense and now it just seems like you're getting mad lol

    like I said I'm not dismissing it as a potential treatment/cure before people get all bent out of shape about it
    I think the important thing here is that none of the sources quoted in the video demonstrate HCQs effectiveness. Not one. It's incidentally not surprising that the guy in the video is a quack, but that's a minor point
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    I think the important thing here is that none of the sources quoted in the video demonstrate HCQs effectiveness.
    lol what.
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    Hey guys, here’s another doctor who thinks the “snake oil” may work

    Just a reminder, don’t “hope” for anything in these dire times

    Originally Posted by yklyachkin View Post
    Just talked to my dad who is a physician in South-central GA - there are quite a few patients in his hospital from Albany, GA (funeral outbreak).

    Disclaimer - this is opinion of one physician. While he is a very smart man, he upfront told me this is clearly not his area of expertise. He is a vascular surgeon and not a pulmonologist, not an ID physician, and not an internist. So take it FWIW.

    He is doing primarily vascular emergencies (strokes, aneurysms, limb saving procedures) and does assist with some COVID.

    From his experience and consultation with his colleagues he believes hydroxychloroquine data is real and it works, but have to administer it early-ish to milder patients.. it wont do sht in more advanced/severe patients because the physiological barrier is too hard to overcome at that point.

    He thinks ivermectin (anti-parasitic) looks promising - and there is good data coming out.

    He thinks that that patients are hypoxic due to lack of O2 and not necessarily due to pneumonia..does liken it to altitude sickness - so virus seems to be fckn with hemoglobin. He is not 100% on this as data is still coming out and some radiographs do support the pneumonia diagnosis.

    He is saying best thing to do is to delay mechanical ventilation as much as possible (data coming out of Italy and his colleagues in FL) - mechanical ventilation seems to be doing more damage and patients decline faster. Best is nasal cannula with supplemental high flow O2 for as long as possible.

    Seems to corroborate a lot of the info and data being discussed here. Hope this helps.
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    Originally Posted by ghostfacedup View Post
    lol what.
    Have you read any of the data presented in the OP or did you just take this chiropractors word for it because it helps your feelies?
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    Originally Posted by sooby View Post
    d

    edit: to frame it in a way that you would understand, it's basically the equivalent of going to CNN for all your news and "reporting". I mean if CNN were the one that put a video out like that would you be giving it the same endorsement??
    Now ask yourself the same question...
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    Some of the same people in this thread who think there's not enough evidence to prove this treatment works are the same people who think without a doubt this virus has a fatality rate higher than 1%....even though there is without a doubt not enough evidence of that.

    Funny how standards don't remain consistent.
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    Originally Posted by Contribution05 View Post
    Some of the same people in this thread who think there's not enough evidence to prove this treatment works are the same people who think this without a doubt this virus has a fatality rate higher than 1%....even though there is without a doubt not enough evidence of that.

    Funny how standards don't remain consistent.
    I've always said the CFR is much lower than WHO estimates, even in the original coronavirus megathread from ages ago. Anything else?
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    Another “chiropractor” having success with this drug:


    https://abc11.com/amp/coronavirus-dr...quine/6079864/


    Here's another “Chiropractor” (an infectious disease specialist) who says he's having great success treating patients with hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin.

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    Obviously this medication needs to be banned. How are we going to get Trump out of office if people are getting through this pandemic ok?
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    We are entering apex week.

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    Originally Posted by Scoresman923 View Post
    We are entering apex week.

    Hold on to your seats boyos.
    Stop the fear mongering nonsense. Nobody needs to hold on to their seats. 80% of those dying are fat apparently. Don’t be fat Then you don’t have to hold on to your seat.

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    Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Dr. Anthony Cardillo told Eyewitness News in Los Angeles. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."

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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Dr. Anthony Cardillo told Eyewitness News in Los Angeles. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."

    https://abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-co...quine/6079864/

    NO!!!! You chiropractor and you have no research to back this up!!!!!! Until 4 years of double controlled double triple placebo double blind triple jerked off studies are concluded and approved by liberals on this board, this drug should not be used! Trump and you are being irresponsible! REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    NO!!!! You chiropractor and you have no research to back this up!!!!!! Until 4 years of double controlled double triple placebo double blind triple jerked off studies are concluded and approved by liberals on this board, this drug should not be used! Trump and you are being irresponsible! REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
    i know right

    No one knows what damage this drug, that’s been around for decades and is prescribed to preggo women and children, will do to people! Just wreckless!
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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    i know right

    No one knows what damage this drug, that’s been around for decades and is prescribed to preggo women and children, will do to people! Just wreckless!
    Amazing how y'all know so much better than Fauci and the FDA and the docs in NY, etc using the drugs and treating patients.

    Clearly we all just hate Trump and want people to die.

    And lmfao at all their patients being symptom free. Y'all are really really gullible.
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Amazing how y'all know so much better than Fauci and the FDA and the docs in NY, etc using the drugs and treating patients.

    Clearly we all just hate Trump and want people to die.

    And lmfao at all their patients being symptom free. Y'all are really really gullible.
    ive posted doctors saying they think it works

    Guess you need to be told by your government to determine if you should take it or not
    God forbid you call your doctor and ask them their educated opinion on it

    But since trump mentioned it, it’s become political in your little mind

    I can just see it now, sillie laying on his death bed, slowly getting harder and harder to breathe. His doc comes up and says we should try this combo, it’s showing some positive effects.
    Sillie replies with “but Fauci hasn’t endorsed it yet, we better not”
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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    ive posted doctors saying they think it works

    Guess you need to be told by your government to determine if you should take it or not
    God forbid you call your doctor and ask them their educated opinion on it

    But since trump mentioned it, it’s become political in your little mind

    I can just see it now, sillie laying on his death bed, slowly getting harder and harder to breathe. His doc comes up and says we should try this combo, it’s showing some positive effects.
    Sillie replies with “but Fauci hasn’t endorsed it yet, we better not”
    lmfao.

    I just can't with you people...
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    How do we all know if Sillie or one of his loved ones (if he has any) were to get this he would be screaming at the top of his lungs demanding it?
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    How do we all know if Sillie or one of his loved ones (if he has any) were to get this he would be screaming at the top of his lungs demanding it?
    Today Cuomo said its working, therefore Sillie will now say that is okay.
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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    ive posted doctors saying they think it works

    Guess you need to be told by your government to determine if you should take it or not
    God forbid you call your doctor and ask them their educated opinion on it

    But since trump mentioned it, it’s become political in your little mind

    I can just see it now, sillie laying on his death bed, slowly getting harder and harder to breathe. His doc comes up and says we should try this combo, it’s showing some positive effects.
    Sillie replies with “but Fauci hasn’t endorsed it yet, we better not”
    Trump should have mentioned the drug, and then poo poo'd it.

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    Originally Posted by dabbmw2002 View Post
    Trump should have mentioned the drug, and then poo poo'd it.

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    lmfao.

    I just can't with you people...
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