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    Hold on. I was told by forum leftists that this is snakeoil and trump was irresponsible for even speaking on it. Also, you're a cultist if you use this.
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    Gonna share this, people need some good news now more than ever

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    nice. good post. with this information. the quarantine should be lifted earlier.
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    I agree let's get this going! what's stopping world-nations from scaling this treatment?
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    Cool, bout to grab my fish tank cleaner and give it a try
    Have you ever known a fish to have COVID-19? Coincidence? I think not...
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    It's hopeful news rather than good news I believe. Promising results in one case study are a long way away from a properly researched treatment that can be rolled out gobally.
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    Zinc has definitely helped me avoid colds and flu. If you are over 40 I'd recommending adding DHEA too.
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    Call your doctor, make sure they are aware of the drug combo and ask them if they are willing to prescribe it if you have covid symptoms

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    My doc is aware and willing to prescribe, even said to take the zinc 2 hours after the other 2
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    good news I guess, but the dude is a chiropractor with no understanding of actual medicine let alone the MOA of hydroxychloroquine. We shouldn't give this to everyone.
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    good news I guess, but the dude is a chiropractor with no understanding of actual medicine let alone the MOA of hydroxychloroquine. We shouldn't give this to everyone.
    The video may come off slightly overzealous, but I think the point to take away is that this combination should at least be made available as a viable and cost-effective treatment option, on a case by case basis for those who want to try it, after clearing it with their doctor first. Obviously not everyone will be a suitable candidate, but many people will be, and the results so far seem to inspire hope.
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    good news I guess, but the dude is a chiropractor with no understanding of actual medicine let alone the MOA of hydroxychloroquine. We shouldn't give this to everyone.

    This is a bad post, I’m sorry. The guy has decades of research and thousands of patients with detailed regular blood work so he can track field observations. Furthermore he is not recommending anything to anyone, he simply brought the good news about doctors who treated their specific patients (not everyone) with this drug. So you basically lied in your post, you performed a straw man it seems, this guy in the video never made the recommendation that you imply he made. It’s also ad hominem, you should address what he says, not attack his background. There are DOCTORS in the video.
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    It's hopeful news rather than good news I believe. Promising results in one case study are a long way away from a properly researched treatment that can be rolled out gobally.
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    good news I guess, but the dude is a chiropractor with no understanding of actual medicine let alone the MOA of hydroxychloroquine. We shouldn't give this to everyone.

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    This is a bad post, I’m sorry. The guy has decades of research and thousands of patients with detailed regular blood work so he can track field observations. Furthermore he is not recommending anything to anyone, he simply brought the good news about doctors who treated their specific patients (not everyone) with this drug. So you basically lied in your post, you performed a straw man it seems, this guy in the video never made the recommendation that you imply he made. It’s also ad hominem, you should address what he says, not attack his background. There are DOCTORS in the video.
    he's an internet personality with no legit medical training. He talks about the MOA, cost and effectiveness of hcq, zinc and azithromycin as a means to inform his followers which is fine I guess. I never said he said that, I merely stated it shouldn't be given to everyone. Also he should be questioned because he is a ****ing chiropractor.
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    he's an internet personality with no legit medical training. He talks about the MOA, cost and effectiveness of hcq, zinc and azithromycin as a means to inform his followers which is fine I guess. I never said he said that, I merely stated it shouldn't be given to everyone. Also he should be questioned because he is a ****ing chiropractor.

    I disagree. For starters chiropractor has saved my life when doctors were too busy telling me I have to learn to live with pain or get metal rods in my back etc. Now 100% healthy, lifting, jumping, everything, can carry heavy stuff, no problems.

    Another thing you gotta consider is the age we live in, now knowledge of the universe is at your fingertips, while many doctors don’t have time to google stuff and they went to medical school 25 years ago. Notice how they treat type 2 Diabetes, they are basically morons, literally any half sane person knows that you can easily reverse type 2 with a low carb diet these days, but yet they say it’s a chronic progressive disease and you must take insulin and eat whole grains and drink orange juice when your blood sugar is low... I mean, really???

    Look, guys like Alan Aragon and Lyle McDonald know so much more about stuff about eating and exercise then people with PhDs in those areas. You have to judge on merits, not on paper credentials.
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    I strongly, strongly disagree with this. There is no strong evidence yet that HCQ + Azi is helpful. There is however a shortage and many patients who need the HCQ for their underlying conditions (ie, lupus) are having difficulty getting them. Also, a lot of the patients who are having bad outcomes have heart related problems, could that possibly be due to the QTc prolonging effect of HCQ & Azi? This combo is being used frequently for hospitalized patients but there is nowhere near enough supply in the USA currently to give this to all outpatient individuals with symptoms, and it's not clear yet if they are even helpful. There are several good trials underway that should shed more light on their efficacy; the ones done thus far have several questionable aspects. https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipelin...Wu4gv6MTPn-KrM

    Don't get me wrong, I am hopeful about this, but the evidence is not there to suggest someone find a new doctor if their own doctor is not willing to prescribe them outpatient. Not when the patients who really need the HCQ to prevent rhematologic flares (which would put them at higher risk of death if they do get COVID-19) are struggling or unable to find them.
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    I disagree. For starters chiropractor has saved my life when doctors were too busy telling me I have to learn to live with pain or get metal rods in my back etc. Now 100% healthy, lifting, jumping, everything, can carry heavy stuff, no problems.

    Another thing you gotta consider is the age we live in, now knowledge of the universe is at your fingertips, while many doctors don’t have time to google stuff and they went to medical school 25 years ago. Notice how they treat type 2 Diabetes, they are basically morons, literally any half sane person knows that you can easily reverse type 2 with a low carb diet these days, but yet they say it’s a chronic progressive disease and you must take insulin and eat whole grains and drink orange juice when your blood sugar is low... I mean, really???

    Look, guys like Alan Aragon and Lyle McDonald know so much more about stuff about eating and exercise then people with PhDs in those areas. You have to judge on merits, not on paper credentials.

    lol no physician treats T2DM like that. lifestyle changes are always first line treatment and insulin isn't used in type 2 outside of very severe cases. That's great you are better but chiropractic was founded on pseudoscience, so I will always take their advice with a huge grain of salt.
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    I strongly, strongly disagree with this. There is no strong evidence yet that HCQ + Azi is helpful. There is however a shortage and many patients who need the HCQ for their underlying conditions (ie, lupus) are having difficulty getting them. Also, a lot of the patients who are having bad outcomes have heart related problems, could that possibly be due to the QTc prolonging effect of HCQ & Azi? This combo is being used frequently for hospitalized patients but there is nowhere near enough supply in the USA currently to give this to all outpatient individuals with symptoms, and it's not clear yet if they are even helpful. There are several good trials underway that should shed more light on their efficacy; the ones done thus far have several questionable aspects. https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipelin...Wu4gv6MTPn-KrM

    Don't get me wrong, I am hopeful about this, but the evidence is not there to suggest someone find a new doctor if their own doctor is not willing to prescribe them outpatient. Not when the patients who really need the HCQ to prevent rhematologic flares (which would put them at higher risk of death if they do get COVID-19) are struggling or unable to find them.
    youre right, telling more and more people about it might limit my ability to fill a prescription
    I’m hoping I don’t get prescribed and am not leaving the house , but just in case

    Luckily, the supply side has ramped up, companies that haven’t produced have started producing it again

    Same thing with masks, up until now, they said masks don’t work, don’t need one
    Now, masks work and they advise to wear one outside
    Theory is, they didn’t tell people earlier as it would make the ones available more scarce for those that needed them
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    OP none of this information is new, none of them are controlled clinical trials, and the guy in the video is a fukkin chiropractor.

    This here is more interesting, it's a very recently published study and I only read it after a miscer posted it in another thread a couple days ago, but it's the first randomised controlled trial on HCQ:

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...758v2.full.pdf

    And here is a statistical review of it:

    https://zenodo.org/record/3739134#.XokEvMhKiUk

    The sample size is small, and there were some methodological issues and omissions from the paper, but it's promising and by far the best data on this yet.
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    Originally Posted by r0bo View Post
    good news I guess, but the dude is a chiropractor with no understanding of actual medicine let alone the MOA of hydroxychloroquine. We shouldn't give this to everyone.
    He's relaying what the other medical doctors are doing... you know the medically trained ones. His video title is labeled NEWS.
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    youre right, telling more and more people about it might limit my ability to fill a prescription
    I’m hoping I don’t get prescribed and am not leaving the house , but just in case

    Luckily, the supply side has ramped up, companies that haven’t produced have started producing it again

    Same thing with masks, up until now, they said masks don’t work, don’t need one
    Now, masks work and they advise to wear one outside
    Theory is, they didn’t tell people earlier as it would make the ones available more scarce for those that needed them
    The masks are a tricky issue as there was a shortage for both the general public and health care providers so I totally see why many would think the CDC was discouraging them so that they would be available for healthcare providers. I kind of wish that was the case as that would imply the CDC has healthcare providers best interests in mind. However, the CDC also completely screwed over healthcare providers, at one point even suggesting we wear bandanas as a last resort. Lots of evidence points to COVID-19 being aerosolizable and airborne, and we see physicians in other countries essentially in full Hazmat suits doing extensive protocols to stay safe, yet they recommended nothing of the sort for us here. I and many of my physician colleagues are not particularly fond of the CDC currently.
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    Originally Posted by i3oosted View Post
    He's relaying what the other medical doctors are doing... you know the medically trained ones. His video title is labeled NEWS.
    yeah I don't care. he's using a platform to promote his brand, which isn't inherently bad, but he's a pseudoscience quack.
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    Originally Posted by r0bo View Post
    yeah I don't care. he's using a platform to promote his brand, which isn't inherently bad, but he's a pseudoscience quack.
    shut the fuk up u ignorant kunt.
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    Originally Posted by EternaLovE View Post
    shut the fuk up u ignorant kunt.
    calm down boyo. go get a chiropractic adjustment or something.
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    Originally Posted by r0bo View Post
    calm down boyo. go get a chiropractic adjustment or something.
    I got one on Thursday. It was great. Got right in and right out.
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    Originally Posted by Mr Beer View Post
    It's hopeful news rather than good news I believe. Promising results in one case study are a long way away from a properly researched treatment that can be rolled out gobally.
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    There are always those people who take a sheit at everything and leave. It’s what they know.
    Try not to be an insufferable phaggot all your life. Any moderately intelligent adult who pays any attention at all to news of medical breakthroughs is aware that promising results often lead to nothing at all and when they do work, it tends to take a long time to roll it out to the general public. Of course gullible, stupid adults and partisan cheerleaders don't understand this extremely basic and obvious fact. No surprise that you don't understand how the real world works.
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    Originally Posted by r0bo View Post
    calm down boyo. go get a chiropractic adjustment or something.
    i bet you cant think for yourself.
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