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04-03-2020, 03:59 PM #31
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04-03-2020, 04:01 PM #32
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04-03-2020, 04:04 PM #33
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04-03-2020, 04:05 PM #34
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We see the Coronavirus morality rates in Italy, France, Spain , UK, Netherlands, Belgium....
And especially death per percent of total population...
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
And somehow think copying their system is a good idea???
Wtf"It's astounding it's not worse than it is."
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04-03-2020, 04:11 PM #35
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04-03-2020, 04:17 PM #36
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Forget about coronavirus treatment or testing. What about millions of people lost their jobs and their healthcare was tied to their job... ? if they get cancer or any other illness (other than covid) who's going to pay for it ?
Universal health care gives you coverage even if you're out of a job. A lot of corporate dems and trump cucks who lost their jobs about to find out....------->TRUMP LOST BY LANDSLIDE and BIDEN IS YOUR PRESIDENT<--------
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04-03-2020, 04:27 PM #37
Universal healthcare did diddly squat for people of Italy and Spain.
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04-03-2020, 04:38 PM #38
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04-03-2020, 04:38 PM #39
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healthcare for profit did diddly squat for people in America. Didnt prevent people from dying, didnt stop US becoming the most infected country in the world..
so there...
at least people in Italy and Spain have full coverage if anything else happens to them when they dont have a job..------->TRUMP LOST BY LANDSLIDE and BIDEN IS YOUR PRESIDENT<--------
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04-03-2020, 04:39 PM #40
LOL @ thinking the solution for less expensive healthcare is getting more gov control over it.
Health care was best all-around and most affordable --for working Americans-- in the 80's when federal gov was far less involved.
The more fedgov has became involved in health care at all levels the more expensive it has gotten - from taxation and regulation of all kinds involving health care industry, to the massive increase of the welfare state, to the foreign invasion they create and assist, to the 'affordable care act' which did far more to make health care more expensive for working Americans.
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04-03-2020, 04:43 PM #41
Healthcare in the US is insanely expensive because of administration costs and high costs of drugs and medical equipment, two problems which universal systems don't see.
There was a famous example of a hospital in the US with 900 beds, that needed 1300 billing clerks to navigate the cluster**** of different insurance programs and plans and bill patients for care. LOL @ thinking this is an efficient, or desirable way to do things. SmhMisc Crypto Crew
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04-03-2020, 04:47 PM #42
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working... key word.
What if you you get sick and lose your job.
what if you wanted to start business but cant quit your job because of healtcare
What if corona happens and you lose your job.
now tell your fuggety *******y bullsht to millions of Americans who lost their jobs ....
affordable care act was a disaster not because of government but because still kept the middle man. Insurance companies. You cant be both. You either go full private or full government.
And then you have the trump clown master trying to kill the affordable care act in every turn. No wonder it got more and more expensive .------->TRUMP LOST BY LANDSLIDE and BIDEN IS YOUR PRESIDENT<--------
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04-03-2020, 05:25 PM #43
This is key point that conservates refuse to acknowledge. Universal healthcare is vastly more efficient because of simplified administration and cheaper drugs. Drugs are cheaper because having a single insurance provider means that big pharma has to negotiate and cannot just charge whatever they want (like they do now).
When you have single payer, you get at least 1.5x - 2x the "bang per buck" for every healthcare dollar spent. Think: socialized insurance but privately run hospitals. This is the best overall approach and in countries that have gone this route, it works better than having the government running the hospitals.
The govt can be trusted to run insurance competently, but I don't want them running hospitals and clinics. The healthcare itself should be private.
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04-03-2020, 05:26 PM #44
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I still dont understand. By that logic, why doesnt the government step in and pay for all uninsured peoples' HC if it is just about remunerating hospitals and healthcare workers and all that...
Well yes, universal HC does encourage certain people to lead unhealthy lifestyles, since the costs to them will be nothing.
Racism and TDS. Par for the course.
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04-03-2020, 05:34 PM #45
Healthcare in the US is never going to be government run in the same way the UK's NHS, where the government is the direct provider of care, builds and operates all the hospitals etc.
It's just about getting a universal public insurance plan to fund people's healthcare. And if this is done alongside private insurance then you also give people the choice to use whichever, whilst also covering anyone and everyone in case they need or want it.Misc Crypto Crew
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04-03-2020, 05:37 PM #46
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04-03-2020, 05:39 PM #47
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04-03-2020, 05:40 PM #48
US already has a government run healthcare system, the VA. Have you ever heard anything GOOD about the VA?
Atleast now you can get a second opinion and pick your own doctor.
With the VA, they tell you want youre getting. You cannot get a second opinion. If you dont like their decisions, tough chit. They say you dont need that operation or surgery? thats your final answer.
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04-03-2020, 05:42 PM #49
Universal healthcare just means everyone is covered, which everyone is in Germany. The fact that they can also choose to opt for private insurance doesn't mean their healthcare isn't universal. It's a universal multi-payer system.
AFAIK there is no wealthy country in the world that doesn't have universal healthcare, other than the good ol' US.Misc Crypto Crew
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04-03-2020, 05:42 PM #50
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04-03-2020, 05:46 PM #52
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04-03-2020, 05:48 PM #53
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04-03-2020, 05:51 PM #54
The US spends several multiples per capita on administrative costs as any country with universal healthcare. Administration is very expensive when you are contending with a million different insurers with a million different insurance plans. You end up having to hire more admin staff than you do doctors and nurses.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4511963/
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04-03-2020, 05:52 PM #55
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04-03-2020, 05:58 PM #56
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04-03-2020, 06:03 PM #57
tbh I don't know much about SK or Japan but Canada doesn't.
Obviously the sectors that are not covered (mainly dental) are private but the rest aren't... I'm honestly not sure what you're talking about at this point.
Literally people who want to have surgeries quicker travel to the US to get them done because they can't in Canada...Texas crew
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04-03-2020, 06:19 PM #58
Canada may be unique in that their private healthcare only supplements the public system's gaps but generally UHC countries let you choose a private plan for whatever. Here in the UK for example we have a fully nationalised universal healthcare system, but you can buy private insurance or pay out of pocket for private treatment if you want to.
Universal healthcare is not mutually exclusive with private healthcare. You can have a model which covers everyone whilst also letting people buy premium private insurance if they want to.Misc Crypto Crew
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04-03-2020, 06:23 PM #59
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