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    Navy fires captain after pleading to save his men... WTF

    The Navy fired the captain of the USS Theodore Roosevelt on Thursday, four days after he pleaded for help as the coronavirus ravaged his crew, the Navy announced.

    Just lol at the state of our democracy. This man is a hero for trying to save his men.

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    most likely an underlying reason we don't know about
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    Originally Posted by ZeroPercentTip View Post
    most likely an underlying reason we don't know about
    No the only reason is stating the problem.

    It's an OPSEC issue according to the Pentagon.

    And technically they are correct. He shouldn't have made it public.
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    You cant announce that your warship isnt in fighting shape, not smart. He didnt go through the proper channels then goes to the media
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    He prolly would've got the shaft either way. Speaks out and gets fired. He doesn't and it blows up - he gets used as the scapegoat and gets fired. Least he went out the noble way..fighting for his men
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    He went to the media and skipped the chain of command so this is normal and appropriate. The maintenance of order is very important in the middle of a worldwide pandemic.
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    Originally Posted by DDSF1 View Post
    He went to the media and skipped the chain of command so this is normal and appropriate. The maintenance of order is very important in the middle of a worldwide pandemic.
    he didn't. Someone who was cc'd leaked it.
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    wait so the government doesnt give a **** about its service members? Tell us something new
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    COVID-19 only has a mortality rate you could call 'ravaging' for elderly with pre-existing health conditions. Considering that only about 8% of the crew has or had the virus, and that they are all healthy men in the armed forces, you could expect that not a single one of them will die. Matter of fact the article states that all 93 that have tested positive are in mild condition.



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    he didn't. Someone who was cc'd leaked it.

    Regardless of the leak it still states that the letter he sent violated chain of command.


    Seems to me that a captain fell victim to mass hysteria, and failed to think logically or critically resulting in him breaking chain of command. Sounds like a pretty good justification for 'loss of confidence' to me, his official reasoning for being relieved.
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    Originally Posted by dannyg1217 View Post
    You cant announce that your warship isnt in fighting shape, not smart. He didnt go through the proper channels then goes to the media
    Not a smart move at all. OPSEC. There are usually only about 3 aircraft carriers deployed at a time and he just announced one of them not fully mission capable.
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    Originally Posted by leoslayer1 View Post
    No the only reason is stating the problem.

    It's an OPSEC issue according to the Pentagon.

    And technically they are correct. He shouldn't have made it public.
    this. there are official channels for the CAPT to voice his concerns, via his chain of command and through secure means. he violated opsec and basically not only disclosed where the carrier is at, but how many were infected and showing the magnitude of how the illness is affecting readiness.
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    Kinda a Chinese thing to do.
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    Have to keep your cool in a leadership role. He didn't.
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    Originally Posted by menseks View Post
    he didn't. Someone who was cc'd leaked it.
    if the CAPT sent it via official message traffic/SITREPs, then there wouldnt be a CC

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    wait so the government doesnt give a **** about its service members? Tell us something new
    The Navy does care and they are working plans for these kind of things, just like how the mercy and comfort were deployed to NY and LA. they arent going to tell the entire world what their plan is going to be. now the world knows how many are infected, how many people need to be evacuated. they also know Guam is an isolated area and they are limited in capacity of what they can do (not a lot of hotels and the hospitals are small). Guam needs to be able to take care of themselves; adding thousands more into the island will break them. also, letting the troops of the carrier and into Guam puts the rest of the island at risk. they already have a small outbreak; letting sailors out that are asymptomatic will just spread it out even more. this is not just a medical nightmare but also a logistics nightmare
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    Good for him. He took one for his men. He was relieved of Command of the Roosevelt BUT he is keeping his rank. Same rank and pay, less headache. He might even get a better duty
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    Originally Posted by Firefightn24 View Post
    Have to keep your cool in a leadership role. He didn't.
    I honestly don't think this is the first time he kicked it up the ladder. Probably when he was told to stfu, he decided to include more people, one of which decided to leak it.

    His men were dying and a lot more were at risk. It's not wartime. That's what's fukked about this.
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    he went about ti the wrong way unfortunately instead he let the media / world know a nuclear carrier was vulnerable
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    Originally Posted by leoslayer1 View Post
    No the only reason is stating the problem.

    It's an OPSEC issue according to the Pentagon.

    And technically they are correct. He shouldn't have made it public.
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    Good for him. He took one for his men. He was relieved of Command of the Roosevelt BUT he is keeping his rank. Same rank and pay, less headache. He might even get a better duty
    No. He panicked. What did ignoring his chain of command accomplish? How do you handle this sht? Going public was just stupid. He did not take one for his men, he was just stupid.

    How are they going to handle this??????? Sure as fukc what he did made it worse.
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    Originally Posted by Casca View Post
    No. He panicked. What did ignoring his chain of command accomplish? How do you handle this sht? Going public was just stupid. He did not take one for his men, he was just stupid.

    How are they going to handle this??????? Sure as fukc what he did made it worse.
    His crew disagrees.


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    Originally Posted by leoslayer1 View Post
    No the only reason is stating the problem.

    It's an OPSEC issue according to the Pentagon.

    And technically they are correct. He shouldn't have made it public.
    This. Apparently he cc’d like 30-40 ppl on his request and basically made it public

    He got booted because he showed poor judgement and lack of leadership during a crisis
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    Because at his level he should have known better than to publicly say that an operational aircraft carrier is having issues due to disease. Common sense tells you that you don’t let your enemies know that you’re suffering a type of distress.

    It’s bad judgement and you cannot have someone in charge of an aircraft carrier exercising bad judgement.

    He not only put the lives of his men at risk, but the lives of Americans and our allies at risk as well.
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    as mentioned above, OPSEC violations are huge. he should've known better especially as an O-6
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    Originally Posted by RICHSTRONG View Post
    He prolly would've got the shaft either way. Speaks out and gets fired. He doesn't and it blows up - he gets used as the scapegoat and gets fired. Least he went out the noble way..fighting for his men

    He will still get full pay and benefits. "fired" means reassigned, shamed and career progression stopped in his tracks.


    You'd have to know more of the details to know what really happened.

    Could go either way. He could have sent off the email out of panic and not giving them enough time to react. Or he could have had problems with them not providing enough support behind the scenes and decided going nuclear was the best thing to do for his men. Not really going to get enough details from the news headlines.
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    so 1 carrier out of commission out of like 11 makes us vulnerable to countries that dont even have 5 added together?
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    Imagine putting someone in a very high position in the chain of command. Your country literally relies on the guy being able to send men knowingly to their deaths to defend a spot in a battle. This line must be held, Captain I need you to send your boys in to defend it. It's our 300.

    No sir, I cant knowingly jeopardize my mens health.

    If he cant be trusted to not go to the media and break the chain of command over a flu with a 0.5% mortality rate for the age of his enlisted men he cant be trusted with ANY responsibility.

    He's too weak to be in command in the army srs.

    Would bust him down to private and have him peel potatoes for the rest of his life, no joke.
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    Originally Posted by doza808 View Post
    as mentioned above, OPSEC violations are huge. he should've known better especially as an O-6
    This, as stated above by fellow vets he did this completely fukken wrong.
    He's in the right mindset but should have went through proper chain and got JAG or IG involved.
    Stating globally of an ineffective fighting force on a ship is supremely fukken stupid.
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