How much protons per meal?

[kingofturtles]

I know everyone thinks you can only absorb 30g per meal. I also know this is false. I just read a study that stated 40g of protein post workout raised MPS 20% when compared to 20g post workout.

So I know you can have at least 40.

What, if any, is the actual amount you can digest/absorb (i know these are different things)? If you fast all day and eat a 1k meal, I can fit 90g in that goes?

I am having a hard time cause the internet seems stuck on this 30g thing.

[TolerantLactose]

I know everyone thinks you can only absorb 30g per meal. I also know this is false. I just read a study that stated 40g of protein post workout raised MPS 20% when compared to 20g post workout.

Yes, yes, yes. Everyone has seen that and thinks they are the only who has.

[kingofturtles]

Yes, yes, yes. Everyone has seen that and thinks they are the only who has.

Wat

[AdamWW]

Wat

You absorb all the protein you eat

The per-meal recommendations are relating to protein-induced elevations in muscle protein synthesis, which isn’t the same as absorption

[boo99]

You absorb all the protein you eat

The per-meal recommendations are relating to protein-induced elevations in muscle protein synthesis, which isn’t the same as absorption

^^This

And read this.... By Brad and Alan

https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/arti...970-018-0215-1

[kingofturtles]

^^This

And read this.... By Brad and Alan

https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/arti...970-018-0215-1

we conclude that to maximize anabolism one should consume protein at a target intake of 0.4 g/kg/meal across a minimum of four meals in order to reach a minimum of 1.6 g/kg/day. Using the upper daily intake of 2.2 g/kg/day reported in the literature spread out over the same four meals would necessitate a maximum of 0.55 g/kg/meal.

funny. I just finished reading that study on a different website.

[AdamWW]

we conclude that to maximize anabolism one should consume protein at a target intake of 0.4 g/kg/meal across a minimum of four meals in order to reach a minimum of 1.6 g/kg/day. Using the upper daily intake of 2.2 g/kg/day reported in the literature spread out over the same four meals would necessitate a maximum of 0.55 g/kg/meal.

funny. I just finished reading that study on a different website.

Again, that is to MAXIMIZE anabolism, it does not mean that deviations from it result in no anabolic signaling. Your muscle protein synthesis never drops to zero, but it is possible that protein breakdown can exceed synthesis in which case you’d have a net negative (muscle loss).

This is, again, not the same as absorption. You have a baseline level of synthesis, and eating protein simply causes transient elevation, kind of like how blood sugar doesn’t just drop to zero until you eat again, but it rises if you consume food.

[kingofturtles]

Again, that is to MAXIMIZE anabolism, it does not mean that deviations from it result in no anabolic signaling. Your muscle protein synthesis never drops to zero, but it is possible that protein breakdown can exceed synthesis in which case you’d have a net negative (muscle loss).

This is, again, not the same as absorption. You have a baseline level of synthesis, and eating protein simply causes transient elevation, kind of like how blood sugar doesn’t just drop to zero until you eat again, but it rises if you consume food.

Excellent. So If i am on a cut and need to eat 200g a day. I can eat 200g in one sitting and it will be fine. But if i ate, say 50g 4 times that would better maximize it (but really, as a normal every day gym bro, its prob all the same)?

[AdamWW]

Excellent. So If i am on a cut and need to eat 200g a day. I can eat 200g in one sitting and it will be fine. But if i ate, say 50g 4 times that would better maximize it (but really, as a normal every day gym bro, its prob all the same)?

Are you actually considering eating 200g of protein in one meal? I mean you’d be ‘fine’ in the sense that you’d be getting in the daily goal, but it’s far from ideal.

You also need to consider that MPS can only be elevated to a certain point, and anything above about 40g of quality protein per meal is unlikely to yield any additional benefit. So actually, 200g in a single sitting if you’re cutting could actually result in less muscle retention because your level of breakdown could exceed synthesis while cutting. The more you optimize the ‘peaks’ in MPS, the less likely the net protein balance will be negative.

With that much protein, 3 feedings of 60-70g would be much better than 1 feeding of 200.... 4 feedings of 50g would be slightly better than 3.

[kingofturtles]

Are you actually considering eating 200g of protein in one meal? I mean you’d be ‘fine’ in the sense that you’d be getting in the daily goal, but it’s far from ideal.

You also need to consider that MPS can only be elevated to a certain point, and anything above about 40g of quality protein per meal is unlikely to yield any additional benefit. So actually, 200g in a single sitting if you’re cutting could actually result in less muscle retention because your level of breakdown could exceed synthesis while cutting. The more you optimize the ‘peaks’ in MPS, the less likely the net protein balance will be negative.

With that much protein, 3 feedings of 60-70g would be much better than 1 feeding of 200.... 4 feedings of 50g would be slightly better than 3.

No I would never eat 200 in one go. It was just an exaggerated example.

I thought of this question because I got stuck at work and didn't come home (covid stuff). When I got home to eat I had 1000cals left and still needed 80g of protein. So had my meal and a double scoop of protein powder and it was like 78g. I was wondering if I was wasting any.

[HomeGymChains]

Sorry to interrupt this serious discussion, but...

Approximately half of the mass of food would be protons. Therefore roughly about 100 grams of protons or if you’re counting individually, about ten to the twenty-sixth power.

[AdamWW]

No I would never eat 200 in one go. It was just an exaggerated example.

I thought of this question because I got stuck at work and didn't come home (covid stuff). When I got home to eat I had 1000cals left and still needed 80g of protein. So had my meal and a double scoop of protein powder and it was like 78g. I was wondering if I was wasting any.

thats fine... no issue

[Corbets]

Sorry to interrupt this serious discussion, but...

Approximately half of the mass of food would be protons. Therefore roughly about 100 grams of protons or if you’re counting individually, about ten to the twenty-sixth power.

Thank you! I came into this thread looking for that, and was really getting disappointed as I scrolled through the first responses.

[broganoff]

I eat millions of protons per day. #gains