France Officially Sanctions Drug After 78 of 80 Patients Recover

[Mark1T]

Some results from a short study on 80 patients looks promising. We all have heard about this drug, but this is a real study with results.


France Officially Sanctions Drug After 78 of 80 Patients Recover from COVID-19 Within Five Days

The French government has officially sanctioned chloroquine, a drug often used to fight malaria, for certain patients infected with the novel coronavirus, or COVID-19.

“The French government has officially sanctioned prescriptions of chloroquine to treat certain coronavirus patients,” France 24 English reported Saturday.

“This ensures continued treatment of patients who have been treated for several years for a chronic condition with this drug, but also allows a temporary authorization to allow certain patients with coronavirus to benefit from this therapeutic route,” said France’s director general of health Jérôme Salomon.

The move comes after infectious diseases specialist Didier Raoult announced new clinical results, which can be accessed here, that show 78 out of 80 patients treated with chloroquine recovered within five days, reported Trustnodes.

The five-day recovery time is “considerably” faster “than the usual 14 days and for some it can go up to 28 days if they recover at all,” the outlet highlighted.....

https://www.dailywire.com/news/franc...thin-five-days

[Procta]

noice

[ImpressiveGainz]

How are we going to hit 1 million US deaths if that stuff works? Can a resident CCP shill explain it to me?

Also, excellent news for real. This sort of stuff should ease a lot of people's minds and possibly give them some hope for the future...IF the ****ing media actually reports it.

[vickissick07]

Oh look, Trump right yet again.

[Mark1T]

noice

Exactly.

How are we going to hit 1 million US deaths if that stuff works? Can a resident CCP shill explain it to me?

Also, excellent news for real. This sort of stuff should ease a lot of people's minds and possibly give them some hope for the future...IF the ****ing media actually reports it.

I heard this morning that Louisiana has a batch and will use when appropriate on patients, so it is being distributed. I hope to every State.

Oh look, Trump right yet again.

True. We'll never hear it from CNN or MSNBC.

[kcadrenalin]

Why would France want people to die from people drinking fish tank cleaner?
They should be sued out of business.

[Ramoneb87]

I don't see anyone thanking Dr Trump for this medical breakthrough

[Ramoneb87]

Why would France want people to die from people drinking fish tank cleaner?
They should be sued out of business.

You just need proper dosing, don't drink the entire box of fish tank cleaner in one sitting and you will be fine

[iabs]

Oh look, Trump right yet again.

The God Emperor Trump is the chosen one.

[BootneckBrah]

In other news, 78/80 patients make a full recovery anyway.

But mirin if it helps the elderly/vulnerable recover.

[AlwaysFocus]

0:53 time traveler

[ParsleyTea]

Wonderful! Glad to hear it.

Hope we learn similar good news about the use of the malaria drugs to fight the corona virus out of New York. Imagine we will learn something this week.

[ohiostate124]

Trump should become president of the entire world at this point.

[StoliFun]

Did you guys know we have a miscer who is a MD (maybe a DO, actually, I dont know) who also has an MBA and does clinical research? Here he is talking about the French "study" in the OP.

I've been watching you guys debate this and not speaking up, because I didn't think there was a right or wrong here. Trump did speak up about hydroxychloroquine, and if you think doing so to give people hope is good, you can support that. You should realize, however, that there is currently no good data supporting that it works other than a small study in China and Raoult's study. The studies in China were small and not enough to get anyone to prescribe it outside a trial. Dr. Raoult's "study" was poorly designed, poorly executed, and they decided not to include all the data they had, quite possibly because it showed there wasn't any efficacy, so it sounds like they fudged the data hoping that the drug would work and that he'd be the first to have a study showing it did. Now he's treating hundreds of patients based on those "results". Realize that's not new for him. He's authored good research, but sadly, he has also authored really really bad research and showed graphs and gel's that were clearly faked. You don't get to leave out data points that don't support the result you want.

If it turns out the drug works, no harm done.

Because of the above, I've been asked if I could write a few prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine. It isn't, illegal for a doctor to prescribe a drug for an off label indication. Any doc could write a PRN script to take in the event concerning symptoms. No, I haven't written any scripts for it. I'm lucky right now in that I work on clinical trials, so I'm not on the "front lines" of this. I do have several friends and colleagues working 20 hour days on protocols related to SARS-CoV-2. Realize, that if a patient has taken any hydroxychloroquine, it's a confounder, and they can't go on some of the protocols.

Patient got sick.
Their doctor put them on hydroxychloroquine with no proven benefit because they figured it probably wouldn't hurt them and it "might" help them.
Covid19 test was positive.
Patient got worse.
Patient admitted.
Patient on a vent
We can't get them drugs that seems to be much more likely to save their life anymore...

In many cases we can't just put patients on both, so access protocols are trying to accommodate those patients.

If Trump weighed those two issues and decided to speak up, against the advice of his medical advisers, that's a judgement call he made. Like I said at the start, there's no right or wrong there.

The bottom line is, maybe we'll get lucky and hydroxychloroquine will save lives. At this point, with so little data, you're relying on luck more than evidence, and the odds are good we'll find out we wasted resources we could have used more effectively.

When you look at that incredibly impressive graph, realize that Raoult's study didn't have an actual control arm that looked remotely similar to his test subjects. Also notice that he left out the data on the test patients who got worse. Clearly, their PCR results weren't negative, but they're not included. Patients who had positive tests after a negative test also weren't accounted for.

Lots of patients are currently being treated with hydroxychloroquine. It seems odd nobody else is showing a statistical benefit when Raoult's is so dramatic. Right now, it's just the guy who doesn't like blinded controlled studies who's showing results, and his data is amazing... .

Im glad people are testing it. I hope it works. We'll know in a few weeks how effective it is. It is one of four treatment protocols the WHO is focusing on, but they only reluctantly included it in the four because while there is a lot of public interest there is little good evidence that it works. Some researchers say chloroquin myopia reminds them of the run on toilet paper.

[vickissick07]

Did you guys know we have a miscer who is a MD (maybe a DO, actually, I dont know) who also has an MBA and does clinical research? Here he is talking about the French "study" in the OP.



Im glad people are testing it. I hope it works. We'll know in a few weeks how effective it is. It is one of four treatment protocols the WHO is focusing on, but they only reluctantly included it in the four because while there is a lot of public interest there is little good evidence that it works. Some researchers say chloroquin myopia reminds them of the run on toilet paper.

Doesn't that guy have less than 200 posts? You can be whatever you want on the internet!

[iabs]

Trump should become president of the entire world at this point.

Dude, in all seriousness I'm all in on that constitutional republic time, but......he has my vote.

[AlwaysFocus]

Did you guys know we have a miscer who is a MD (maybe a DO, actually, I dont know) who also has an MBA and does clinical research? Here he is talking about the French "study" in the OP.



Im glad people are testing it. I hope it works. We'll know in a few weeks how effective it is. It is one of four treatment protocols the WHO is focusing on, but they only reluctantly included it in the four because while there is a lot of public interest there is little good evidence that it works. Some researchers say chloroquin myopia reminds them of the run on toilet paper.

Say the truth, its because Trump suggested it.

[dabbmw2002]

Doesn't that guy have less than 200 posts? You can be whatever you want on the internet!

Curious that its lefties that are so quick to poo poo this treatment......

[TrueTruth]

God Emperor Trump's gift to the world. You're welcome libs

[Ramoneb87]

In other news, 78/80 patients make a full recovery anyway.

But mirin if it helps the elderly/vulnerable recover.

I don't think the 78/80 was the main point, the main benifit was the greatly reduced recovery time from 14 to 5 days. Atleast as per the data provided

[Polaris]

Curious that its lefties that are so quick to poo poo this treatment......

Inb4 Covid-19 is actually a good thing, and here's why:

[N0rds]

Member how hard the left/propaganda MSM all pushed as hard as they could to demonize this drug/trump talking about it, using examples of some dipschit who drank fishtank cleaner to scaremonger people from it...

I have a feeling this will stop this virus, except since its patent expired, big pharma can't make massive profits off this (or the vaccine they were hoping to sell to everyone)...

Fuk the propaganda/evil left who did everything they could to stop this cure from being found out by the public. Pure evil.

[anonymous]

Inb4 Covid-19 is actually a good thing, and here's why:

Well, they genuinely do celebrate the virus if it means older voters dying and economic damage that may help them get rid of Klumpfh

They are literally subhumans at this point.

[Mark1T]

Why would France want people to die from people drinking fish tank cleaner?
They should be sued out of business.

It's a mystery.

I don't see anyone thanking Dr Trump for this medical breakthrough

We won't from the left.

The God Emperor Trump is the chosen one.

Truth.

In other news, 78/80 patients make a full recovery anyway.

Watch the news. Deaths in the US have exceeded deaths from 9/11.

0:53 time traveler

Yes.

Wonderful! Glad to hear it.

Hope we learn similar good news about the use of the malaria drugs to fight the corona virus out of New York. Imagine we will learn something this week.

I so hope NY has a lot of the drug to also help the healthcare workers.

Trump should become president of the entire world at this point.

Or Emperor.

Did you guys know we have a miscer who is a MD (maybe a DO, actually, I dont know) who also has an MBA and does clinical research? Here he is talking about the French "study" in the OP.

Im glad people are testing it. I hope it works. We'll know in a few weeks how effective it is. It is one of four treatment protocols the WHO is focusing on, but they only reluctantly included it in the four because while there is a lot of public interest there is little good evidence that it works. Some researchers say chloroquin myopia reminds them of the run on toilet paper.

The "DO miscer" doesn't have the credibility of this study.

Doesn't that guy have less than 200 posts? You can be whatever you want on the internet!

Very true.

Dude, in all seriousness I'm all in on that constitutional republic time, but......he has my vote.

Curious that its lefties that are so quick to poo poo this treatment......

There will be more, Dabbers.

God Emperor Trump's gift to the world. You're welcome libs

I don't think the 78/80 was the main point, the main benifit was the greatly reduced recovery time from 14 to 5 days. At least as per the data provided

I agree. It is not a cure. It is hopefully an effective treatment which fill the gaps until there is a vaccine.

[x-trainer ben]

Curious that its lefties that are so quick to poo poo this treatment......

Get outta here..... no one is chitting on a "cure" during a pandemic that adds 20,000 sick a day in the USA, come on mayne!

But Mark's link said this, " to allow certain patients with coronavirus to benefit"

1. Who are certain patients, and who get's to benefit from his protocol?

That's it, that science stuff we learned about running subjects in college.
Control group versus Treatment group,simple.

Just checked we added 21,000 today and it isn't even midnight.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[Mark1T]

Member how hard the left/propaganda MSM all pushed as hard as they could to demonize this drug/trump talking about it, using examples of some dipschit who drank fishtank cleaner to scaremonger people from it...

I have a feeling this will stop this virus, except since its patent expired, big pharma can't make massive profits of this (or the vaccine they were hoping to sell to everyone)...

Fuk the propaganda/evil left who did everything they could to stop this cure from being found out by the public. Pure evil.

Remarkable that the MSM cannot accept a valid treatment. They see it as a Trump win, so they do everything and anything possible to discredit something that can save lives and possibly bring this virus under some control.

Well, they genuinely do celebrate the virus if it means older voters dying and economic damage that may help them get rid of Klumpfh

They are literally subhumans at this point.

True.

[keyboardworkout]

Just stocked up

[dabbmw2002]

Get outta here..... no one is chitting on a "cure" during a pandemic that adds 20,000 sick a day in the USA, come on mayne!

But Mark's link said this, " to allow certain patients with coronavirus to benefit"

1. Who are certain patients, and who get's to benefit from his protocol?

That's it, that science stuff we learned about running subjects in college.
Control group versus Treatment group,simple.

Just checked we added 21,000 today and it isn't even midnight.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Nice wet blanket......

[Mark1T]

Get outta here..... no one is chitting on a "cure" during a pandemic that adds 20,000 sick a day in the USA, come on mayne!

But Mark's link said this, " to allow certain patients with coronavirus to benefit"

1. Who are certain patients, and who get's to benefit from his protocol?

That's it, that science stuff we learned about running subjects in college.
Control group versus Treatment group,simple.

Just checked we added 21,000 today and it isn't even midnight.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Fair enough on the "certain patients." IMO they are patients who qualify for the treatment as a result that they could die with no treatment. The doctors will not give the drug to patients who can recover on their own. If this is the case, it is good.

[r0bo]

Love seeing positive results, but the inclusion and exclusion criteria are important. I had 6 patients with covid yesterday. all on hcq, azith, and zinc. today - 1 (92)yo died overnight after one day of hospitalization and 2 days of symptoms and 1 (35yo) developed ARDS, is paralyzed, intubated and sedated yesterday after 3.5 days of above treatment after 6 days of sx at home. She was given further treatment after this happened if you're curious, too. The other four will prob be fine. My institution just put out treatment guidelines based on what's out there. it's terrible to feel helpless while treating people but time and good data are what will help.