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    How difficult can family/internal medicine be if nurses are now doing it?

    Medical clinics are now mostly all NP's (nurse practitioners)

    From what I understand they can do EVERYTHING a doctor does including prescribed all the same meds

    They don't even have to be supervised by a doctor, they can do it all on their own

    Kind of knocks general practice docs down a peg if nurses can do everything a doctor can and do it unsupervised

    And supports the old notion that practicing general medicine isn't as difficult as doctors make it out to be if nurses with a fraction of the training can do it

    Compare that to a specialist, nurses aren't going to be doing something like heart surgery all on their own
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    Originally Posted by GMiscer View Post
    Medical clinics are now mostly all NP's (nurse practitioners)

    From what I understand they can do EVERYTHING a doctor does including prescribed all the same meds

    They don't even have to be supervised by a doctor, they can do it all on their own

    Kind of knocks general practice docs down a peg if nurses can do everything a doctor can and do it unsupervised

    And supports the old notion that practicing general medicine isn't as difficult as doctors make it out to be if nurses with a fraction of the training can do it

    Compare that to a specialist, nurses aren't going to be doing something like heart surgery all on their own

    Nurse practitioner =/= nurse
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    Originally Posted by NicholasMango View Post
    Nurse practitioner =/= nurse
    It's a nurse with some extra training...online training at that
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    Originally Posted by GMiscer View Post
    It's a nurse with some extra training...online training at that
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    Originally Posted by GMiscer View Post
    Medical clinics are now mostly all NP's (nurse practitioners)

    From what I understand they can do EVERYTHING a doctor does including prescribed all the same meds

    They don't even have to be supervised by a doctor, they can do it all on their own

    Kind of knocks general practice docs down a peg if nurses can do everything a doctor can and do it unsupervised

    And supports the old notion that practicing general medicine isn't as difficult as doctors make it out to be if nurses with a fraction of the training can do it

    Compare that to a specialist, nurses aren't going to be doing something like heart surgery all on their own
    Originally Posted by GMiscer View Post
    It's a nurse with some extra training...online training at that
    You started off correct, and then went full retard. I had 8 years of total training and over 1000 clinic hours before becoming an ARNP, they're now pushing for doctoral degrees.

    It makes no difference whether you're sitting in a classroom of 40 people or doing the studying at home online, you still have to learn the expansive material.

    MD is a title, not a rank like society tends to believe. That's why boards are currently pushing for equal status among NP's and MD's, both are extremely well trained in general care.



    You and a ton of others on here seem to think even basic RN's are some low-life totem pole of know nothings, but in reality they're often smarter than a lot of MD's and doctors will often consult with the ones that are bright.
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    Originally Posted by GMiscer View Post
    It's a nurse with some extra training...online training at that
    they do require a sh*t ton of clinical hours / on the job training as well.. no matter the school they attend.
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    Originally Posted by blissful88 View Post
    It makes no difference whether you're sitting in a classroom of 40 people or doing the studying at home online, you still have to learn the expansive material.
    But what about the 4 years of med school plus 3-4 years of residency that doctors do to become family/internal medicine?

    All that can be replaced by a nurse with some extra online training

    MD is a title, not a rank like society tends to believe. That's why boards are currently pushing for equal status among NP's and MD's, both are extremely well trained in general care.
    My point exactly...they are equal so how difficult can practicing family/internal medicine be if an nurse can just replace a doctor?

    You're not going to replace a heart surgeon with a nurse to do open heart surgery all on their own
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    There are surgeons out there who make Kormo look like Einstein.

    Medicine is full of idiots and psychos and if you knew the full extent you'd never go under the knife.
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    Originally Posted by blissful88 View Post
    You started off correct, and then went full retard. I had 8 years of total training and over 1000 clinic hours before becoming an ARNP, they're now pushing for doctoral degrees.

    It makes no difference whether you're sitting in a classroom of 40 people or doing the studying at home online, you still have to learn the expansive material.

    MD is a title, not a rank like society tends to believe. That's why boards are currently pushing for equal status among NP's and MD's, both are extremely well trained in general care.



    You and a ton of others on here seem to think even basic RN's are some low-life totem pole of know nothings, but in reality they're often smarter than a lot of MD's and doctors will often consult with the ones that are bright.
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    Originally Posted by blissful88 View Post
    You and a ton of others on here seem to think even basic RN's are some low-life totem pole of know nothings, but in reality they're often smarter than a lot of MD's and doctors will often consult with the ones that are bright.
    Nobody said that in this thread

    It's about the fact that a nurse with some extra experience being able to fully replace a family or internal med doctor

    It would be like a paralegal with extra hours of courtroom experience being able to completely replace a lawyer during a trial
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    Originally Posted by GMiscer View Post
    But what about the 4 years of med school plus 3-4 years of residency that doctors do to become family/internal medicine?

    All that can be replaced by a nurse with some extra online training



    My point exactly...they are equal so how difficult can practicing family/internal medicine be if an nurse can just replace a doctor?

    You're not going to replace a heart surgeon with a nurse to do open heart surgery all on their own
    You're misunderstanding, MD's will specialize in one area like internal, infectious disease, surgery etc etc. and that's where the extra training comes in for them.

    You're not going to have an ARNP like me performing an open heart surgery unless I've been specifically trained to do so. The job title doesn't matter, the training does.

    It currently takes 6 years for an NP or MD to complete their studies, I chose another 2 of training. There's no huge knowledge gap on either title route.

    Family general care like you mentioned is being filled with NP's. Internal medicine is just adult oriented diagnostics and treatment, usually more acute cased.
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    Originally Posted by GMiscer View Post
    Nobody said that in this thread

    It's about the fact that a nurse with some extra experience being able to fully replace a family or internal med doctor

    It would be like a paralegal with extra hours of courtroom experience being able to completely replace a lawyer during a trial
    You're under the impression there's some major disparity between their levels of knowledge and training, there's actually not. You would be amazed by the politics of working in healthcare, especially hospitals.
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    Originally Posted by blissful88 View Post
    You're not going to have an ARNP like me performing an open heart surgery unless I've been specifically trained to do so. The job title doesn't matter, the training does.
    Are you saying a NP can do open heart surgery (heart transplant, valve replacement, etc) all on their own if they do some extra training?

    I don't think so

    That's the point of this thread, not the experience
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    Originally Posted by GMiscer View Post
    Medical clinics are now mostly all NP's (nurse practitioners)

    From what I understand they can do EVERYTHING a doctor does including prescribed all the same meds

    They don't even have to be supervised by a doctor, they can do it all on their own

    Kind of knocks general practice docs down a peg if nurses can do everything a doctor can and do it unsupervised

    And supports the old notion that practicing general medicine isn't as difficult as doctors make it out to be if nurses with a fraction of the training can do it

    Compare that to a specialist, nurses aren't going to be doing something like heart surgery all on their own
    doctors are on suicide watch....

    but for real many of them HATE nurses cus they know nurses are gunning for their jobs...

    Originally Posted by blissful88 View Post
    You started off correct, and then went full retard. I had 8 years of total training and over 1000 clinic hours before becoming an ARNP, they're now pushing for doctoral degrees.

    It makes no difference whether you're sitting in a classroom of 40 people or doing the studying at home online, you still have to learn the expansive material.

    MD is a title, not a rank like society tends to believe. That's why boards are currently pushing for equal status among NP's and MD's, both are extremely well trained in general care.

    You and a ton of others on here seem to think even basic RN's are some low-life totem pole of know nothings, but in reality they're often smarter than a lot of MD's and doctors will often consult with the ones that are bright.
    pure cope.

    No father in the world says, "my son got into med school" and "my daughter's studying nursing" with the same pride in his voice.
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    Originally Posted by blissful88 View Post
    You're under the impression there's some major disparity between their levels of knowledge and training, there's actually not. You would be amazed by the politics of working in healthcare, especially hospitals.
    4 years of undergrad + 4 years of med school + 3 or 4 years of residency working 100+ hours a week to become a family or internal med doc from what it says online

    That can be replaced by a nurse with a NP degree, and a lot of the NP degree is online from what it says

    Not questioning your experience, just saying it's apparently not that difficult to practice family or internal med if that's the case and they can be replaced with each other
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    Originally Posted by yebat View Post
    NP checking in. This is 100% the case. Let's not forget how, those of us who do hospital medicine, have to take the interns by the hand and teach them.
    It says interns are those who just graduated med school so of course they're gonna be new compared to a nurse with years of experience

    Nothing to brag about teaching a new intern when you have years of experience on them
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    Originally Posted by GMiscer View Post
    Are you saying a NP can do open heart surgery (heart transplant, valve replacement, etc) all on their own if they do some extra training?

    I don't think so

    That's the point of this thread, not the experience
    It sounded like your concern is that you'll be seen and treated by NP's instead of MD's and I was trying to convey that we receive essentially the same education outside of a specialized practice and that you shouldn't worry.

    I don't see the point in wondering about NP's performing surgeries as that's what trained surgeons are for, we do everything else.

    MD's are paid a lot more money generally speaking and depending on what practice you work in because of the title. That's where the extra years will come in outside of general medicine and care.

    Alternatively yes, you can become an NP with a little less time spent and practice that care with the same legal power. That doesn't make one better or worse than the other. It's not cope.

    I can't speak for absolute current nursing programs as I went through long before a lot of online came into play, although I do know they're pushing for DNP degrees instead of my MSN now. PhD's in nursing are also common.



    I've seen a lot of weird posts and hate on the misc about RN's and genuinely don't understand it, CNA's through ARNP's are the backbone of the healthcare workforce in hospitals. If 3basic5me or anyone else views anything less than an MD title as some inferior trash, then I guess that's what I am, so be it.
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    Originally Posted by blissful88 View Post
    It sounded like your concern is that you'll be seen and treated by NP's instead of MD's and I was trying to convey that we receive essentially the same education outside of a specialized practice and that you shouldn't worry.
    That's part of it

    One of them introduced herself as "Dr" when she entered the room but when I looked her profile up online after the appointment it turned out she's actually a NP, so was a bit disconcerting how she tried to pass herself off as a doctor, could have just said I'm an NP instead of making it seem like she was a real M.D.
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    Originally Posted by GMiscer View Post
    That's part of it

    One of them introduced herself as "Dr" when she entered the room but when I looked her profile up online after the appointment it turned out she's actually a NP, so was a bit disconcerting how she tried to pass herself off as a doctor, could have just said I'm an NP instead of making it seem like she was a real M.D.
    The title of doctor is not exclusive to an M.D., common misconception.

    A doctor is a qualified practitioner of medicine/research by definition, so an NP has the legal right to refer to themselves as such as we have doctorate degrees.

    PhD's are also doctors as you already know.
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    Originally Posted by blissful88 View Post
    The title of doctor is not exclusive to an M.D., common misconception.

    A doctor is a qualified practitioner of medicine by definition, so an NP has the legal right to refer to themselves as such as we have doctorate degrees.
    Maybe

    But M.D. = Medical Doctor

    N.P. = Nurse Practitioner

    So a bit disingenuous on her part to not be completely truthful until I found out her real credentials later on

    Especially since when scheduling my appointment I specifically requested a doctor not a nurse and they pulled a fast one like that and later I found there were no real doctors at this clinic only N.P.'s all referring to themselves as doctors and not even listing their N.P. credentials (just listed as Dr. and their first and last name)
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    Originally Posted by blissful88 View Post
    You started off correct, and then went full retard. I had 8 years of total training and over 1000 clinic hours before becoming an ARNP, they're now pushing for doctoral degrees.

    It makes no difference whether you're sitting in a classroom of 40 people or doing the studying at home online, you still have to learn the expansive material.

    MD is a title, not a rank like society tends to believe. That's why boards are currently pushing for equal status among NP's and MD's, both are extremely well trained in general care.



    You and a ton of others on here seem to think even basic RN's are some low-life totem pole of know nothings, but in reality they're often smarter than a lot of MD's and doctors will often consult with the ones that are bright.
    Just lol at this cope. Every bit of your educational career was easier to pass and less competitive to get into than that of an MD.
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    Originally Posted by blissful88 View Post
    The title of doctor is not exclusive to an M.D., common misconception.

    A doctor is a qualified practitioner of medicine/research by definition, so an NP has the legal right to refer to themselves as such as we have doctorate degrees.

    PhD's are also doctors as you already know.

    say what you want about nurses being as knowledgeable as doctors, doesn't change the fact that MD's never had to give anyone a sponge-bath lol
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    Originally Posted by Reliance012 View Post
    Just lol at this cope. Every bit of your educational career was easier to pass and less competitive to get into than that of an MD.
    Why would I need to cope when I'm well respected among peers and make over 6 figures after taxes working 3-4 shifts per week? Education and knowledge is up to the individual, I have more training than most.

    Originally Posted by gluon View Post
    say what you want about nurses being as knowledgeable as doctors, doesn't change the fact that MD's never had to give anyone a sponge-bath lol
    RN's don't give baths let alone NP/ARNP's, that's a CNA's job as they're not nurses.
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    Originally Posted by gluon View Post
    say what you want about nurses being as knowledgeable as doctors, doesn't change the fact that MD's never had to give anyone a sponge-bath lol
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    pure cope.

    No father in the world says, "my son got into med school" and "my daughter's studying nursing" with the same pride in his voice.
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    Originally Posted by blissful88 View Post
    Why would I need to cope when I'm well respected among peers and make over 6 figures after taxes working 3-4 shifts per week?
    So you're saying you became an NP for the respect, more money, and less work than if you were a regular nurse without the "practitioner" added to the end of your title

    Sort of contradicts your prior posts
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    Originally Posted by blissful88 View Post
    The title of doctor is not exclusive to an M.D., common misconception.

    A doctor is a qualified practitioner of medicine/research by definition, so an NP has the legal right to refer to themselves as such as we have doctorate degrees.

    PhD's are also doctors as you already know.
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    Originally Posted by FrankCostanza View Post
    Refuse to see the np and wait unless the doc isn’t there
    Why?
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    Originally Posted by yebat View Post
    If she’s a DNP, Dr. is the appropriate title. “Doctor” is not a position, it refers to a level of education. A person with a Ph.D is called doctor. Etc.
    I doubt a Ph.D. would try to pass themselves off as a real medical doctor
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