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    I'm one year away from finish my NP, u mad?

    So you need a 4 year Bachelors in Nursing

    You need at least 2 years of working as a nurse (gaining real world experience) which is more important than sitting in a class

    Then you need a 2 year MSN-FNP which includes teaching your self and 500-1000 clinical hours

    Thats 8 years total

    Then another 2 years for DNP if you want.


    for a total of 10 years of training/clinical hours
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    Originally Posted by TurbanMon View Post
    but their innate cognitive abilities are why they're a nurse and not a doctor
    I literally know multiple rns who went to med school after working in the profession (lots of reasons, power, status, money, challenge etc. to do this)

    this argument that nurses are too dumb to become doctors is ridiculous and unfounded and youre just making a fallacy of appealing to authority and power is equivalent to intelligence

    Have you never had a friend who is incredibly bright but doing nothing in life or chose something that puts them "beneath" their innate cognitive ability? IE just cause youre smart doesnt mean you want to become a doctor
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    Originally Posted by Smithers115 View Post
    I literally know multiple rns who went to med school after working in the profession (lots of reasons, power, status, money, challenge etc. to do this)
    How come no doctors go to NP school to become nurse practitioners?
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    Originally Posted by GMiscer View Post
    How come no doctors go to NP school to become nurse practitioners?
    Because you need a BSCN to go to np school and unless they did a bscn as an undergrad they arent qualified

    LOL is this honestly your rebuttal? Why after an undergrad, another undergrad (med school) and then 3-7 years of residency/fellowship would someone spend another 2 years and more money (likely already a quarter million in the hole) to get a redundant title that wouldnt give them any further authority or qualifications? hmmm, couldnt tell you, its a mystery to my low iq nurse mind

    op is mad hes too stupid to get into med school and is living his fantasy out vicariously on the misc
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    Originally Posted by Smithers115 View Post
    op is mad hes too stupid to get into med school and is living his fantasy out vicariously on the misc
    Could I get into NP school though and go around calling myself Dr since it's the same thing?
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    Originally Posted by stevesteve12 View Post
    wrong

    the moment someone graduates medical school, they outrank you in the clinical setting.

    there are doctors for a reason, medical school and residency is hard for a reason.

    they are training and selected in a rigorous setting to high standards because when **** hits the fan the buck stops with them. not some physician extender who came off an assembly line, molded with the intention to take care of the 80% common cases you see in in a particular medical field, so that real doctors are able to dedicate their time and effort to the other 20% more intellectually and technically demanding cases


    Basically this.

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    Originally Posted by GMiscer View Post
    Could I get into NP school though and go around calling myself Dr since it's the same thing?
    quote me saying that, I don't know why you're trying to strawman me with this argument

    attack what i said, not some bull**** in your head or what someone else said (or how you misinterpret what he said, I mean he has a doctorate doesn't he? Dr is a title, MD or DO is a profession so if we're arguing semantics he's correct.)

    That being said any NP that introduces themselves as Dr such and such is an idiot and would probably get into legal trouble with the colleges of nurses and physicians
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    Originally Posted by Smithers115 View Post
    quote me saying that, I don't know why you're trying to strawman me with this argument
    I didn't say you said it, I asked a question

    Since people here are saying a NP = MD and NP's can call themselves "Dr"

    So if I'm too stupid for med school like you said couldn't I just do NP school and refer to myself as a "Dr"?
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    Originally Posted by stevesteve12 View Post
    wrong

    the moment someone graduates medical school, they outrank you in the clinical setting.

    there are doctors for a reason, medical school and residency is hard for a reason.

    they are training and selected in a rigorous setting to high standards because when **** hits the fan the buck stops with them. not some physician extender who came off an assembly line, molded with the intention to take care of the 80% common cases you see in in a particular medical field, so that real doctors are able to dedicate their time and effort to the other 20% more intellectually and technically demanding cases
    This needs to be quoted again for truth. Rekt lol.
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    lol not reading this thread filled with garbage. A 4th year med student has a better grasp of entirety of how the body functions compared to any doctor in nursing. the reason nurses are being pushed to the forefront is because they are cheap, there are much more of them, and they are more vocal. Doctors are actually savings lives and are so relatively few in number that they don't have time to advocate for themselves. Beyond that, theres such a shortage of physicians that there is no reality where nurses will ever come close to being respected as much as physicians. The health care system is so tiered at this point that unless you have alot of money or have a special ailment you are going to see a nurse. The M.Ds are seeing the elite and more severe cases.

    The reality is there are so many sick patients that M.D.s can't see them all, so other health care providers are required. If you have a scrape, a boo boo, the sniffles...a nurse can handle that(maybe). M.Ds are not competing with nurses , just lol. So go ahead and worship nurses as much as you want, but ultimately their poorer clinical outcomes and their missed diagnoses are ultimately fixed by....real M.Ds...that is if the patient survives.
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    Originally Posted by GMiscer View Post
    I didn't say you said it, I asked a question

    Since people here are saying a NP = MD and NP's can call themselves "Dr"

    So if I'm too stupid for med school like you said couldn't I just do NP school and refer to myself as a "Dr"?
    Yeah with a DNP you can call yourself a Dr.

    Just like PhD holders can call themselves a Dr.
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    Originally Posted by GMiscer View Post
    I didn't say you said it, I asked a question

    Since people here are saying a NP = MD and NP's can call themselves "Dr"

    So if I'm too stupid for med school like you said couldn't I just do NP school and refer to myself as a "Dr"?
    I already answered this, semantically dr is a title not a profession, a chiropractor or a person with a doctorate in math can and do call themselves dr, neither would be diagnosing you with microcephaly

    I also already stated any np introducing themselves as dr with the intent to deceive or stroke their own ego is an idiot and will likely get reprimanded for this

    so why are you clinging to this dumbass comment? Is this your gotcha moment?
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    LOL at ****ing NPs calling themselves doctors. At least PAs are governed by the medical board. NPs are governed by the board of nursing...

    But I want all the prestige of being a (REAL) Doctor...

    Should have been an MD or DO then
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    Originally Posted by BOZZ View Post
    LOL at ****ing NPs calling themselves doctors. At least PAs are governed by the medical board. NPs are governed by the board of nursing...

    But I want all the prestige of being a (REAL) Doctor...

    Should have been an MD or DO then
    This. Bliss88 is the most delusional ****ing person I've ever met. 1,000 whole clinical hours? Wow! Just lmfao.

    No person with even a PhD calls themselves doctor in a professional medical setting ie hospital UNLESS they are an MD or DO.
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    so why are you clinging to this dumbass comment? Is this your gotcha moment?
    I'm just asking questions and you keep answering them

    Nobody's forcing you to keep replying lol
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    ITT: the biggest difference I'm seeing between the MD/DOs and the nurses/NPs is that the nurses fall for the bait while we just sit back and lol
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    Originally Posted by MakeABanana View Post
    ITT: the biggest difference I'm seeing between the MD/DOs and the nurses/NPs is that the nurses fall for the bait while we just sit back and lol
    Pop quiz what job has more prestige, an NP or a podiatrist??
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    Originally Posted by BOZZ View Post
    LOL at ****ing NPs calling themselves doctors. At least PAs are governed by the medical board. NPs are governed by the board of nursing...
    Do you have experience working with both the college of nursing and college of physicians? Like if your critique is that it's way less critical of its members then why can i provide examples of doctors in my area committing egregious medical malpractice and getting slaps on the wrist. Example: a clinic i used to go to had to have thousands of patients tested for communicable diseases including HIV and hepatitis for reusing equipment that wasn't properly sanitized or were 1 off items repackaged (i was one of those patients tested). Every physician working in that clinic found responsible is still practicing. There are tons of examples of malpractice where doctors keep their licenses

    Originally Posted by ralphlaurenbrah View Post
    1,000 whole clinical hours? Wow! Just lmfao.
    if its 1000 clinical hours for np, you also have to consider the other hours accrued during the undergrad (mine was easily over 1500 in different departments over the 4 years) then their clinical experience before the masters, ie. if youre going to belittle 1000 hours, is 2.5 -5k clinical hours as pathetic and insignificant?

    No person with even a PhD calls themselves doctor in a professional medical setting ie hospital UNLESS they are an MD or DO.
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    Originally Posted by Antonio519 View Post
    I'm one year away from finish my NP, u mad?

    So you need a 4 year Bachelors in Nursing

    You need at least 2 years of working as a nurse (gaining real world experience) which is more important than sitting in a class

    Then you need a 2 year MSN-FNP which includes teaching your self and 500-1000 clinical hours

    Thats 8 years total

    Then another 2 years for DNP if you want.


    for a total of 10 years of training/clinical hours

    Yeah with a DNP you can call yourself a Dr.

    Just like PhD holders can call themselves a Dr.
    Exactly. Except those ITT don't understand that because they're speaking from zero experience in healthcare.

    Originally Posted by ralphlaurenbrah View Post
    This. Bliss88 is the most delusional ****ing person I've ever met. 1,000 whole clinical hours? Wow! Just lmfao.

    No person with even a PhD calls themselves doctor in a professional medical setting ie hospital UNLESS they are an MD or DO.
    I've been an ARNP for 10 years, my hours are in the thousands.. every PhD is referred to as doctor because they're researchers in their field of study, not only are you a moron but I can tell you haven't even been to college and probably work some entry level job like Uber. Get an education, christ.

    Originally Posted by irmocool View Post
    lol not reading this thread filled with garbage. A 4th year med student has a better grasp of entirety of how the body functions compared to any doctor in nursing. the reason nurses are being pushed to the forefront is because they are cheap, there are much more of them, and they are more vocal. Doctors are actually savings lives and are so relatively few in number that they don't have time to advocate for themselves. Beyond that, theres such a shortage of physicians that there is no reality where nurses will ever come close to being respected as much as physicians. The health care system is so tiered at this point that unless you have alot of money or have a special ailment you are going to see a nurse. The M.Ds are seeing the elite and more severe cases.

    The reality is there are so many sick patients that M.D.s can't see them all, so other health care providers are required. If you have a scrape, a boo boo, the sniffles...a nurse can handle that(maybe). M.Ds are not competing with nurses , just lol. So go ahead and worship nurses as much as you want, but ultimately their poorer clinical outcomes and their missed diagnoses are ultimately fixed by....real M.Ds...that is if the patient survives.
    Again you all don't know what you're talking about, MD's come to me every single shift I work for consultation because of my qualifications and knowledge. I am 100% recognized as an equal by law and clinical setting. No MD or DO is my superior outside of chief executives in the hospital/CEO, I answer to none of my colleagues.


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    Originally Posted by blissful88 View Post
    Exactly. Except those ITT don't understand that because they're speaking from zero experience in healthcare.



    I've been an ARNP for 10 years, my hours are in the thousands.. every PhD is referred to as doctor because they're researchers in their field of study, not only are you a moron but I can tell you haven't even been to college and probably work some entry level job like Uber. Get an education, christ.



    Again you all don't know what you're talking about, MD's come to me every single shift I work for consultation because of my qualifications and knowledge. I'm am 100% recognized as an equal by law and clinical setting. No MD or DO is my superior outside of chief executives in the hospital/CEO, I answer to none of my colleagues.
    LMAO are you in a specialty field?
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    Originally Posted by blissful88 View Post
    You started off correct, and then went full retard. I had 8 years of total training and over 1000 clinic hours before becoming an ARNP, they're now pushing for doctoral degrees.

    It makes no difference whether you're sitting in a classroom of 40 people or doing the studying at home online, you still have to learn the expansive material.

    MD is a title, not a rank like society tends to believe. That's why boards are currently pushing for equal status among NP's and MD's, both are extremely well trained in general care.



    You and a ton of others on here seem to think even basic RN's are some low-life totem pole of know nothings, but in reality they're often smarter than a lot of MD's and doctors will often consult with the ones that are bright.
    dumb cuck

    "often a lot smarter than a lot of MD" LOL

    (myself: MD- Internal Medicine with gastroenterology fellowship)

    we always joke about the NP consults we get over the phone because they are so retarded.

    "just give me the room number please" is the standard response we give

    Trying to compare an NP to a MD with years of brutal training....

    I actually want to give NP the same rights, because it will become immediately evident NP have no idea what they are doing as the adverse events flow in.

    sure they can manage basic conditions the same, but fail to spot the warning signs of impending decompensation and serious conditions.

    Public will have a change of heart real fast.

    just wait until your loved one gets mismanaged by some dumbass cocky NP
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    Originally Posted by Smithers115 View Post
    Do you have experience working with both the college of nursing and college of physicians? Like if your critique is that it's way less critical of its members then why can i provide examples of doctors in my area committing egregious medical malpractice and getting slaps on the wrist. Example: a clinic i used to go to had to have thousands of patients tested for communicable diseases including HIV and hepatitis for reusing equipment that wasn't properly sanitized or were 1 off items repackaged (i was one of those patients tested). Every physician working in that clinic found responsible is still practicing. There are tons of examples of malpractice where doctors keep their licenses


    are you really that dense? this incident you describe sounds mostly an oversight on the part of the clinic administrator for failing to maintain equipments to proper standards. thats not the role of doctors

    on the other hand. have you ever seen an NP order a troponin on an outpatient basis for someone with chest pain, and then only to let the result sit in her inbox for 3 days, and then having to call the patient to go to the ED because they have been having a heart attack for 3 days? and then to explain this fubar to her boss who was an actual MD and leave it up to him deal with the mess that the NP created because again: NP does not and cannot truly practice independently and needs higher level supervision, they do no have the power, ability, wherewithal to get themselves out of dirty situations when **** hits the fan

    that NP is still practicing BTW. apparently nurse unions are pretty good
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    Originally Posted by stevesteve12 View Post
    are you really that dense? this incident you describe sounds mostly an oversight on the part of the clinic administrator for failing to maintain equipments to proper standards. that's not the role of doctors
    do small town clinics with a few doctors who started a practice together have clinical administrators (this isnt me being facetious, ive never worked in a small clinic so I am unaware of the roles in one)

    also these are what were found in the investigation

    Some single-use equipment was repackaged and used again.
    There was no dedicated area for cleaning or sterilizing equipment.
    Tap water was used to rinse some equipment, rather than properly disinfecting it.
    A single sink was used both for handwashing and equipment cleaning.
    The sink had no liquid hand soap available, only expired rubbing alcohol.
    Urine testing was performed on the same countertop as equipment reprocessing, blood collection and medication preparation.
    Containers of urine were found in the garbage.
    Containers used to dispose of used needles were overfilled.

    Does a doctor really need a clinical administrator to deem these practices to be against best practice and in general negligent on the competency of the provider? the first allegation alone is terrifying... Come on, you arent that dense.

    my point is most of these acts were performed by care providers who should know better and got away with their license....
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    Originally Posted by blissful88 View Post
    Exactly. Except those ITT don't understand that because they're speaking from zero experience in healthcare.



    I've been an ARNP for 10 years, my hours are in the thousands.. every PhD is referred to as doctor because they're researchers in their field of study, not only are you a moron but I can tell you haven't even been to college and probably work some entry level job like Uber. Get an education, christ.



    Again you all don't know what you're talking about, MD's come to me every single shift I work for consultation because of my qualifications and knowledge. I am 100% recognized as an equal by law and clinical setting. No MD or DO is my superior outside of chief executives in the hospital/CEO, I answer to none of my colleagues.


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    Please elaborate on what consultations doctors have to come to you with for your expert advice

    Give us just one example

    I am waiting...
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    MD's come to me every single shift I work for consultation
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