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    FGC-9 Public Release

    The files for the **** Gun Control 9 have been released.

    This firearm represents a huge win in the fight against tyranny, the first advanced firearm capable of being made without any regulated parts. This is not a gimmick, this is not a game, this is a fully functioning, 3D printed firearm as effective as many pistols on the market.

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    The FGC9 is a 9mm semi-automatic pistol / carbine designed to be 3D printed and combined with some metal components including steel tubing and bar stock easily ordered worldwide. It is currently being developed by Deterrence Dispensed.

    The DIY barrel on the FGC9 is made from steel tube which is rifled using an extremely simple DIY take on ECM (Electrochemical Machining) using salt water and electricity combined with a 3D printed spiral insert.

    The body of the bolt is printed and contains two lengths of steel bar with one bar drilled for a makeshift firing pin. The FGC9 uses a 3D printed copy of a Glock 17 magazine developed by IvanTheTroll.
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    Fukk yeah. I just ordered a new grip and red dot for my AR, wish I had a 3D printer so I could make one of these
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    I wonder if this will lead to the feds changing the law on not requiring serial numbers for home made guns. To my knowledge (see: what we've been briefed on) until this point 3d printed firearms weren't reliable.. this changes things.
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    Originally Posted by rhadam View Post
    I wonder if this will lead to the feds changing the law on not requiring serial numbers for home made guns. To my knowledge (see: what we've been briefed on) until this point 3d printed firearms weren't reliable.. this changes things.
    They will just start regulating 3d printer access.
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    They will just start regulating 3d printer access.
    Unlikely as the scope of the control would be too broad. I will concede that trampling citizen's rights is a common theme of the government. This is an ATF matter and I would assume they will lobby for requiring serializing on home made firearms.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    They will just start regulating 3d printer access.
    its a small machine with 2 small motors and 2 pully systems. Cost $200
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    Originally Posted by rhadam View Post
    Unlikely as the scope of the control would be too broad. I will concede that trampling citizen's rights is a common theme of the government. This is an ATF matter and I would assume they will lobby for requiring serializing on home made firearms.
    how would they enforce it?

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    I wonder if this will lead to the feds changing the law on not requiring serial numbers for home made guns. To my knowledge (see: what we've been briefed on) until this point 3d printed firearms weren't reliable.. this changes things.
    Whoever briefed you is delusional, I have over 500 rounds on a 3d printed glock lower.
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    Originally Posted by Techriding101 View Post
    how would they enforce it?



    Whoever briefed you is delusional, I have over 500 rounds on a 3d printed glock lower.
    The ATF would enforce the same way they currently enforce serializing. If you're caught with a 3d printed weapon with no registration then you'd face criminal charges. Me, as a cop, not much would change given new legislation.

    In no way was the DHS specialist delusional. Respectfully, your n=1 anecdotal experience is not indicative of 3d printing firearms in the last 6-8 years. Nor are random bros on forums. I trust the federal specialists in this area who disseminate info to those of us on the streets. It's literally their job to know what's going on, and the ones I've trained with, worked with, learned from know what the F they are about.
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    Most "gangstaz" are too dumb to realize they can 3d print weapons so we are good for now.
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    Originally Posted by rhadam View Post
    I wonder if this will lead to the feds changing the law on not requiring serial numbers for home made guns. To my knowledge (see: what we've been briefed on) until this point 3d printed firearms weren't reliable.. this changes things.
    They're probably going to regulate printers.
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    They're probably going to regulate printers.
    How would you regulate something that is made with a few $5 motors and belts?
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    Originally Posted by rhadam View Post
    The ATF would enforce the same way they currently enforce serializing. If you're caught with a 3d printed weapon with no registration then you'd face criminal charges. Me, as a cop, not much would change given new legislation.

    In no way was the DHS specialist delusional. Respectfully, your n=1 anecdotal experience is not indicative of 3d printing firearms in the last 6-8 years. Nor are random bros on forums. I trust the federal specialists in this area who disseminate info to those of us on the streets. It's literally their job to know what's going on, and the ones I've trained with, worked with, learned from know what the F they are about.
    so you agree there is no way to enforce it.

    sounds like your boyfriend is a bit dated on his info, the ar15 lower files have been around forever

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    This topic is ridiculously overblown by sovereign citizen weirdos and soccer moms.

    There are plenty of guns. 3d printing is awesome, but so are Bridgeport mills and CNC machines. The people who make guns will continue to do so with the different equipment that is available. Everyone else will still buy/steal them.
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    How would you regulate something that is made with a few $5 motors and belts?
    Regulate their commercial sale, and outlaw/regulate constructive possession of it's elements.
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    so you agree there is no way to enforce it.

    sounds like your boyfriend is a bit dated on his info, the ar15 lower files have been around forever

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    Why resort to homophobic remarks? Doesn't say much for you.
    Just confused why you would take the opinion of someone who says something doesn't exist when google says otherwise.

    Do your friends with the state also like to gather around and talk about how they are winning the war on drugs?
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    Originally Posted by rhadam View Post
    I wonder if this will lead to the feds changing the law on not requiring serial numbers for home made guns. To my knowledge (see: what we've been briefed on) until this point 3d printed firearms weren't reliable.. this changes things.
    how is 3d printed different than an 80% lower?
    why does something that is not registered need a serial number?

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    They will just start regulating 3d printer access.
    why? How is having a homemade firearm different than buying a firearm from a manufacturer, especially for personal use? I can make my own whiskey, for example. What's the difference?
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    Originally Posted by pUniCepts View Post
    how is 3d printed different than an 80% lower?
    why does something that is not registered need a serial number?


    why? How is having a homemade firearm different than buying a firearm from a manufacturer, especially for personal use? I can make my own whiskey, for example. What's the difference?
    In California the law is we are supposed to request a serial number from the DOJ and engrave it upon completion. I don't know anyone who has actually done that, or what happens if they deny your request.

    I would guess they would push to make a similar law country wide, or more states will adopt said law
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    Just confused why you would take the opinion of someone who says something doesn't exist when google says otherwise.

    Do your friends with the state also like to gather around and talk about how they are winning the war on drugs?
    Re-read what i wrote. I've had an opportunity to work with and learn from some very intelligent, subject matter experts, in these types of fields. So yes, given the choice I will defer to their expertise.

    Non-sequitur. FYI: the "war on drugs" was a war on black persons and has only made things worse.
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    Originally Posted by pUniCepts View Post
    how is 3d printed different than an 80% lower?
    why does something that is not registered need a serial number?
    Point 1: it's really not. Point 2: the two (registration and serial #) will likely be combined with incoming legislation after Trump is out in 5 years and the dems pick up more control over the legislature and veto power. As it stands, federally, the serious legislation revolves around building firearms for personal use and 3d printing falls under that category. With 3d printing weaponry becoming more viable it is my belief that you will see both sides of the aisle pushing for stronger tracking of home-made weapons. I'm not here to argue for or against.

    Edit: Maybe to clarify a bit more. There is more of a barrier to entry for gunsmithing than there is for 3d printing. This is a situation that "scares" the public and our law makers. You know what happens once enough people are scared. I'm not saying it's right, i'm just saying this is how this country is going.
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    Originally Posted by rhadam View Post
    Re-read what i wrote. I've had an opportunity to work with and learn from some very intelligent, subject matter experts, in these types of fields. So yes, given the choice I will defer to their expertise.

    Non-sequitur. FYI: the "war on drugs" was a war on black persons and has only made things worse.
    My point is, why would you take an 'experts' opinion when the documentation available to you says otherwise. At this point you and your brilliant buddies are just sticking your head in the ground while calling yourselves experts.

    Edit on the clarification. The barrier for entry is LOW. You can buy premade CNC machines for $500 that are already setup to create and finish 80% lowers

    https://ghostgunner.net/product/ghost-gunner-3-deposit/

    Originally Posted by GreatOldOne View Post
    Regulate their commercial sale, and outlaw/regulate constructive possession of it's elements.
    So ban motors and belts...genius idea. Hopefully you realize the average childrens toy that has moving parts uses the same parts as a 3d printer. Not sure why i expected the resident contrarian to contribute anything more to the discussion other than 'just ban it!" "oh that too!' "ban that too!"
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    Originally Posted by Techriding101 View Post
    My point is, why would you take an 'experts' opinion when the documentation available to you says otherwise. At this point you and your brilliant buddies are just sticking your head in the ground while calling yourselves experts.

    Edit on the clarification. The barrier for entry is LOW. You can buy premade CNC machines for $500 that are already setup to create and finish 80% lowers

    https://ghostgunner.net/product/ghost-gunner-3-deposit/
    I'm glad you've decided to have a relatively civil discussion. I wasn't attacking you, or 2a. I'm a gun-toting, freedom-loving, red blooded American, but I also have to look at situations as dispassionately and subjectively as possible.

    What documentation says otherwise? Let's clarify what we are speaking on. My point: Up until recently, 3d printed guns were not reliable and not a threat to civilians/law enforcement. Now that 3d printing of firearms may become more viable, this might be cause for our legislators to re-visit the laws regarding homemade firearms and their lack of registration and serializing.

    You seem to be knowledgeable here. How much would it cost to 3d print a viable handgun? I know that 3d printers can range from a few thousand to the hundreds of thousands. The plans are free as of now. How much would the material cost be? As far as barrier to entry I don't forsee many criminals taking up gunsmithing, especially when there are so many firearms on the black market that are easily obtainable. Does 3d printing offer the next best option for the criminal enterprise? This is the crux of the issue that would drive legislation, imho.
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    Originally Posted by rhadam View Post
    I'm glad you've decided to have a relatively civil discussion. I wasn't attacking you, or 2a. I'm a gun-toting, freedom-loving, red blooded American, but I also have to look at situations as dispassionately and subjectively as possible.

    What documentation says otherwise? Let's clarify what we are speaking on. My point: Up until recently, 3d printed guns were not reliable and not a threat to civilians/law enforcement. Now that 3d printing of firearms may become more viable, this might be cause for our legislators to re-visit the laws regarding homemade firearms and their lack of registration and serializing.

    You seem to be knowledgeable here. How much would it cost to 3d print a viable handgun? I know that 3d printers can range from a few thousand to the hundreds of thousands. The plans are free as of now. How much would the material cost be? As far as barrier to entry I don't forsee many criminals taking up gunsmithing, especially when there are so many firearms on the black market that are easily obtainable. Does 3d printing offer the next best option for the criminal enterprise? This is the crux of the issue that would drive legislation, imho.
    Right now you can buy a printer for $200. Spool of filament for $20. One spool can create roughly 5 pistol OR rifle lowers. At that point you are adding OEM parts to finish it. I was in the market to buy a poly80 kit before realizing those companies charge $150 for their frame, which is nearly the cost of a 3d printer.

    Right now on ebay the smith&wesson sd9 upper/slide/lower parts kit is selling for less than $130

    In the end, it's still easier and cheaper if you just want a gun, to go on gunbroker and buy a stolen/lost pistol for $150. I doubt criminals will ever 3d print guns because in the end it is still more of a hobby, you have to troubleshoot and tune the machines, things can **** up, parts dont fit etc.

    The documentation I am referring to is that these files have been alive for nearly a decade. And the ones being printed now are the same ones that were being printed 10 years ago with light modification done to them
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    They will just start regulating 3d printer access.
    How?
    You can make your own 3d printer these days.
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    Originally Posted by GreatOldOne View Post
    Regulate their commercial sale, and outlaw/regulate constructive possession of it's elements.
    that will never happen.
    you are talking regulating a hobbyist device that is used for millions of things just because someone makes 1 thing you don't like with them.

    Also, are you going to regulate:

    the aluminum framing bars?
    stepper motors?
    Arduino's and stepper control boards?
    Heat blocks?
    ceramic heater modules?
    print nozzles?

    The majority of these 3d printers are built with off the shelf parts by the manufacturer and shipped out to customers.
    the plans and control software is out there.
    anyone who is mechanically inclined and wants to can just build one themselves.


    trying to stop this is like trying to stop people from downloading movies.
    we all know how that turned out.
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    Originally Posted by NitrogenWidget View Post
    How?
    You can make your own 3d printer these days.
    You ever try to copy money on your printer?

    You can assemble your own 3d printer, you sure as fuk aren't going to manufacture your own cpu to run the thing.
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    Originally Posted by NitrogenWidget View Post
    that will never happen.
    you are talking regulating a hobbyist device that is used for millions of things just because someone makes 1 thing you don't like with them.

    Also, are you going to regulate:

    the aluminum framing bars?
    stepper motors?
    Arduino's and stepper control boards?
    Heat blocks?
    ceramic heater modules?
    print nozzles?

    The majority of these 3d printers are built with off the shelf parts by the manufacturer and shipped out to customers.
    the plans and control software is out there.
    anyone who is mechanically inclined and wants to can just build one themselves.


    trying to stop this is like trying to stop people from downloading movies.
    we all know how that turned out.
    You know anyone can make bombs too, right? Yet the govt has done a pretty decent job cracking down on that. Like making explosives is literally the easiest chit.
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    Abolish ATF. Problem solved?
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    Abolish ATF. Problem solved?
    LOL no.

    Congress.
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