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    Originally Posted by HayZues Christi View Post
    The only reason rich people are getting a higher rate of confirmed test, is simply because they are being tested at a much higher percentage.



    I'm willing to bet borisov johnson and trump get tested daily.



    While your average man cant get tested, even with ALL the symptoms.
    Okay okay okay now do that with rich countries...
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    Originally Posted by rectifryer View Post
    lol'd at how you point at the models that back up op's point....

    Lol'd at how you could literally read my post at any pace your mind was capable to still comprehend the information, and yet you still failed.



    OP states everybody going to get it... **** the quarantine and social distancing.


    I point out the models yes show everybody gets it, but WHEN has the largest effect on the actual death rates.





    Ironically, if the social distancing works, it will seem like we overreacted. Its paradoxical. Stop playing checkers in a chess game.
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    Originally Posted by rectifryer View Post
    Okay okay okay now do that with rich countries...


    What? Us is a VERY rich country. We've done like a million tests. That's 1 in 350 million.


    I'm willing to bet, much more than 1 in 350 people in Congress have been tested. Symptoms or not. See my point?
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    Originally Posted by HayZues Christi View Post
    Lol'd at how you could literally read my post at any pace your mind was capable to still comprehend the information, and yet you still failed.



    OP states everybody going to get it... **** the quarantine and social distancing.


    I point out the models yes show everybody gets it, but WHEN has the largest effect on the actual death rates.





    Ironically, if the social distancing works, it will seem like we overreacted. Its paradoxical. Stop playing checkers in a chess game.
    Nah I don't think you understand. We're saying millions already have it because we're not basing our assumptions off asininely derived death rates.
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    Originally Posted by rectifryer View Post
    Nah I don't think you understand. We're saying millions already have it because we're not basing our assumptions off asininely derived death rates.

    When did I state that millions dont already have it?? Do you know the difference between millions and billions?


    As for death rate...in my first post i stated that the only way you see the 1-2% death rates are if the curve isnt flattened and health care systems are completely overrun. Flattening the curve will keep death rates far below .5%.

    The difference between flattening the curve ( ~ 15 million people die in 24 months) and doing nothing as the OP suggests ( ~50 - 100 million dead in 6 months) is literally dead bodies in the streets. See Spanish he 1918-1919.



    And if you cant do the math on your head, as I'm assuming you cant, I used .25% death rate in a fattened curve. And 1% for unflattened. @ 90% contraction rate.
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    Originally Posted by rectifryer View Post
    Nah I don't think you understand. We're saying millions already have it because we're not basing our assumptions off asininely derived death rates.
    Why don't we take it as it is and just try concentrate on doing our best to keep it from getting worse.

    I'm really tired of both sides, people who assume the worst prematurely and also people who underestimate and mock the seriousness of the situation.

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    its not a particularly deadly virus, but it is very easily spread and remains on surfaces and in people for a fairly long amt of time. So vulnerable people will constantly be at risk since people can have it and not really even know they have it.
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    Originally Posted by HayZues Christi View Post
    When did I state that millions dont already have it?? Do you know the difference between millions and billions?


    As for death rate...in my first post i stated that the only way you see the 1-2% death rates are if the curve isnt flattened and health care systems are completely overrun. Flattening the curve will keep death rates far below .5%.

    The difference between flattening the curve ( ~ 15 million people die in 24 months) and doing nothing as the OP suggests ( ~50 - 100 million dead in 6 months) is literally dead bodies in the streets. See Spanish he 1918-1919.



    And if you cant do the math on your head, as I'm assuming you cant, I used .25% death rate in a fattened curve. And 1% for unflattened. @ 90% contraction rate.
    millions infected in america is a ~.06 percent death rate.

    We'll over run our medical system no matter what, because we run our hospitals like businesses.

    If we have to shut down the entire economy for the medical sector to handle something less lethal than the flu, then wtf good does that do us, heyzeus? Do you see the overall picture now?

    The death rate is important. Extrapolating it correctly is important. It highlights exactly where the deficiency in all this is. I am surprised the left isn't all over this.
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    Honestly, a lot of celebs seem to be doing the testing more for the attention rather than any serious reason. I guess with all movie/TV/media production coming to a halt, they want to stay relevant.
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    Originally Posted by rectifryer View Post
    millions infected in america is a ~.06 percent death rate.

    We'll over run our medical system no matter what, because we run our hospitals like businesses.

    If we have to shut down the entire economy for the medical sector to handle something less lethal than the flu, then wtf good does that do us, heyzeus? Do you see the overall picture now?

    That .06% death rate is a completely flawed number. You'll get no argument from me that it's nowhere near 2% or the 7% in Italy.


    However assuming millions are infected in US... I agree. However, assuming millions have recovered and all the death attributed are the complete list, but the cases is sub 10%. Lots if cake and eating it too.


    Bottom line, social distancing is a necessity based on the given information. The fact that's it's working, has a whole lot of checker players thinking it is not needed. Trust me, I want this **** to end. Not only do I own a small commercials development company that is absolutely getting hammered, but my NP wife is upstairs quarantined waiting on her test results after 2 of her nurses test positive earlier this week. Solo parenting a 18 month old is worse than the Corona. That I'm confident of.
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    Your assumption is that the ship's demographic is representative of the nation which is patently absurd.

    Tell me, how many toddlers were on board?

    Someone woke up this morning and put on their silliest pants.
    It's a microcosm, you tell me how many were on board, again, another argument basing their opinion on fluff, take a look at the following picture, seems pretty representative to me...

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    But did they die tho?
    Scarface has it and sounds like wants to die.



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    Originally Posted by rectifryer View Post
    BINGO op.

    There is no subset of population that doesn't indicate that millions aren't infected in America. The death rate is incredibly low. The virus is near saturation or the "knee" of spread.
    This. Trump is basically dropping hints he knows already, he just can't go out and say it because there will be so many outraged doomsayers.

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    Yes. You should always leap to conclusions by ignoring ALL expert advice, science, scholars & scientists & deduce the REAL truth by observing a handful of celebrity examples over social media and then reveal your astounding ignorance of population, statistics and evidence and decide that yes, this anecdote is IT man.

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    Originally Posted by Azure84 View Post
    This. Trump is basically dropping hints he knows already, he just can't go out and say it because there will be so many outraged doomsayers.
    Nah, he's just trying to keep people from jumping off a bridge, 10-12 weeks min.
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    "Death rate is incredibly low" just fukking lol.


    Pretty sure soon there is going to be a complete curfew because of retards who think a lockdown is not justified. This many deaths despite the quarantines/lockdowns and the extreme PPE and precautions by healthcare workers. Dozens of healthcare workers died, when was the last time you saw 10 doctors die from a hospital acquired infection within a month.
    Not to mention how the death rate doesn't even have to be high to totally **** up all healthcare, as has been explained countless times before.
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    Honestly the low frequency of this chit amongst misters ( a globally spread group ) makes me think that this chit doesnt spread that hard. i guess a bunch of you think- you had it, but i assume you did not.
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    I don't know man, look at the diamond princess cases for example, that was essentially a "controlled" experiment, indicating essentially what the progression of cases would look like throughout an entire population. 712 infected, 10 dead, 15 still in critical condition. Say 1/2 of those die, you/re looking at 2.3% death rate overall. You would have definitely noticed if 2.3% of the country died off.
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    Originally Posted by HayZues Christi View Post
    The only reason rich people are getting a higher rate of confirmed test, is simply because they are being tested at a much higher percentage.



    I'm willing to bet borisov johnson and trump get tested daily.



    While your average man cant get tested, even with ALL the symptoms.
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    Originally Posted by Midi77 View Post
    I don't know man, look at the diamond princess cases for example, that was essentially a "controlled" experiment, indicating essentially what the progression of cases would look like throughout an entire population. 712 infected, 10 dead, 15 still in critical condition. Say 1/2 of those die, you/re looking at 2.3% death rate overall. You would have definitely noticed if 2.3% of the country died off.
    Do you have a source for 15 being critical as of today? I see it on worldometers, but was hoping it was outdated since that was the number like two weeks ago.

    If 15 people are still living in critical condition with this this much later, crikey. That's awful. Expecting half of them to survive seems optimistic.
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    Originally Posted by hydraides View Post
    If you so many celebrities and important people have caught coronavirus

    E.g

    Prince Charles
    Mikel Arteta
    Boris Johnson
    Tom Hanks
    And many many more

    Can we all just come to a conclusion that its WAY more widespread than we thought.............like at least 10-50% of population probably have it already and its too late to anything worthwhile

    Stop the hysteria, Stop the lockdowns and admit we've got no chance against a virus which spreads so easily
    all those people regularlyh meet people from all over the world - mainly europe.

    relax son.

    Most victims are boomers, have medical issues and been close to people from europe or from europe themselves.
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    iam sensing that
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    and its more contagious
    and last longer in surfaces than what they said to ass
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    Originally Posted by ANumber1 View Post
    Do you have a source for 15 being critical as of today? I see it on worldometers, but was hoping it was outdated since that was the number like two weeks ago.

    If 15 people are still living in critical condition with this this much later, crikey. That's awful. Expecting half of them to survive seems optimistic.
    I used the worldmeter source, which you are correct, it appears to be somewhat outdated, because the 11th passenger died on 3/22 according to Wiki. I have heard that people can spend weeks on a ventilator (actually quite common) with this virus, so I imagine it is plausible some are still in critical condition.
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    Originally Posted by hydraides View Post
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