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    Because of phaggots like you, getting a checkup for a cough cost thousands.
    I won't argue the cost of everything related to hospitals is high, and it's partially the reason they pay some of the best salaries for expertise, but if you think "people like me" are the reason for it all then you're a ****ing idiot.
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    I am a CPA. Not the fastest way to 6 figures and it's a brutal track to get there, but most people I know with B4 experience are either 6 figures after making manager (5-6 years) or left after 3 and are now managers in industry making 6 figures. These are in medium COL places too (Atlanta, Dallas, etc.). I made more than that as a senior when I was specializing in M&A (think over $110K in cheapish cities with 3-4 years of experience).

    The best part is I can either keep up the corporate grind, try to become a CFO/Partner and make elite doctor/lawyer money, or I can bail from the consulting world in another 3-5 years to be a controller/director at a company and make over $200K with decent job security (companies always need experienced CPAs, even in a downmarket).

    If you get a Big 4 offer, CPA is a decent path because you should be able to make non-specialist doctor/dentist money without the schooling/debt if you're reasonably motivated, and can make the insane salaries executives/surgeons make if you're lucky enough find yourself in the right situation & are willing to work for it. The starting pay and hours suck ASS though, full disclosure.
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    Can recommend IT, but you can't be a common feeb like 99% of the workforce. It's because of people like that, that people like me earn so much.

    I used to do pretty much what I do now for barely 50K annually, now I'd cry if I had to settle for 100. This year, I'll nearly have made that much by the end of Q1. Negotiating has a lot to do with it, but you have to be able to back it up. Knowing what everybody else knows makes you less valuable, because someone will always undercut you. Knowing what NOBODY else knows is the difference, assuming the need is there. That said, I work in healthcare IT (systems data/programming) and as you can imagine it's incredibly niche.


    The most likely thing I could suggest would be to get into Networking and finagle your way into a hospital/healthcare company. They pay top dollar, everything is beyond essential and important, and you don't really have to know much in the way of healthcare processes, workflow, etc. like people doing what I do.

    FWIW I did more analyst work years ago and taught myself in my 30s to code because I knew the combo of abilities would skyrocket my potential. Never looked back. I'm no prodigy or hardcore programmer but I realized the need in my industry and how I could catapult myself into such positions. People who know the workflow/analysis side and can program at the levels our software needs totally rake it in. Unless they suck at negotiating or picking their employer, that is, as a lot of my competition slugs away for the 70-90K range at best. And they can't work from home. I get job interest for jobs like that every week...no thanks.

    As others have said it DOES take a lot of hard work and such, which should be obvious, but it also takes the right luck and mostly the right fortitude. Either way, the industry will dictate what you're worth. If you think it's 100-150K yet can't even make 80K, well... :shrug:
    Nice! What languages do you recommend?

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    Originally Posted by StinnerOzz View Post
    I won't argue the cost of everything related to hospitals is high, and it's partially the reason they pay some of the best salaries for expertise, but if you think "people like me" are the reason for it all then you're a ****ing idiot.
    There is no argument there - he's just trying to bait you. It's a common bait method on this forum when anyone hints that s/he makes a good living.

    These very threads are income bait threads from alt account losers trying to generate flame fests.

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    I am a CPA. Not the fastest way to 6 figures and it's a brutal track to get there, but most people I know with B4 experience are either 6 figures after making manager (5-6 years) or left after 3 and are now managers in industry making 6 figures. These are in medium COL places too (Atlanta, Dallas, etc.). I made more than that as a senior when I was specializing in M&A (think over $110K in cheapish cities with 3-4 years of experience).

    The best part is I can either keep up the corporate grind, try to become a CFO/Partner and make elite doctor/lawyer money, or I can bail from the consulting world in another 3-5 years to be a controller/director at a company and make over $200K with decent job security (companies always need experienced CPAs, even in a downmarket).

    If you get a Big 4 offer, CPA is a decent path because you should be able to make non-specialist doctor/dentist money without the schooling/debt if you're reasonably motivated, and can make the insane salaries executives/surgeons make if you're lucky enough find yourself in the right situation & are willing to work for it. The starting pay and hours suck ASS though, full disclosure.
    What if you don't make it to big 4? I'm a graduate at a regional tax firm am i gonna make it?
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    Originally Posted by Aristotelian View Post
    There is no argument there - he's just trying to bait you. It's a common bait method on this forum when anyone hints that s/he makes a good living.

    These very threads are income bait threads from alt account losers trying to generate flame fests.

    Good to see another Miscer doing well financially, though. Good for you!
    Wow, you gave it too much thought.

    Just answer me this, is healthcare too expensive? Yes? Ok I wonder why.
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    Originally Posted by nas_is_illmatic View Post
    I am a CPA. Not the fastest way to 6 figures and it's a brutal track to get there, but most people I know with B4 experience are either 6 figures after making manager (5-6 years) or left after 3 and are now managers in industry making 6 figures. These are in medium COL places too (Atlanta, Dallas, etc.). I made more than that as a senior when I was specializing in M&A (think over $110K in cheapish cities with 3-4 years of experience).

    The best part is I can either keep up the corporate grind, try to become a CFO/Partner and make elite doctor/lawyer money, or I can bail from the consulting world in another 3-5 years to be a controller/director at a company and make over $200K with decent job security (companies always need experienced CPAs, even in a downmarket).

    If you get a Big 4 offer, CPA is a decent path because you should be able to make non-specialist doctor/dentist money without the schooling/debt if you're reasonably motivated, and can make the insane salaries executives/surgeons make if you're lucky enough find yourself in the right situation & are willing to work for it. The starting pay and hours suck ASS though, full disclosure.
    a lot of people burn out in public firms going for there CPA. your workin 60+ hours in tax season and you start of auditing.
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    What if you don't make it to big 4? I'm a graduate at a regional tax firm am i gonna make it?
    I don't know anything about tax, but it's not as if going to regional is a death sentence. I know plenty of people who outperformed their Big 4 audit counterparts because they got more exposure to the entire process as opposed to just a piece of it at a multinational, which is usually what happens at Big 4. Hell, if you're really worried about it, you could probably get a Big 4 offer now, if you're willing to take a step back about a year in your career. Big 4 is mostly selective at the campus level, but after they churn through the people who've been there 2-3 years, they'll practically take anyone with a pulse just because they need heads to keep the wheels spinning.

    Originally Posted by winston89418 View Post
    a lot of people burn out in public firms going for there CPA. your workin 60+ hours in tax season and you start of auditing.
    Hence why I said that the hours and pay suck initially. Most people stick it out to at least senior, which is 3 years out. I did audit for 2 years and moved to an advisory role where I'm working less on average and getting paid a lot more. 3 years isn't really that much in the grand scheme of things, especially since the busiest part is only 3-4 months on average. You unfortunately have to work long hours to make a lot of money. Nobody gets paid to smell the roses or have less accountability when **** goes wrong.
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    Nice! What languages do you recommend?

    At the moment I'm in the process of learning python to help with automating my day job a bit. I work in management accounting and I know enough about programming to see areas it can help me.
    For actual software development, I don't even know. For healthcare data, the systems utilize Javascript and proprietary languages mostly, but I've also seen some which Python and the Cs.

    Having solid knowledge in any of them is a good gateway to picking up others though, which you probably could figure already. The big kicker with Healthcare IT is they won't bring you in without experience so you first need to get you foot in the door somehow. That's why I mentioned networking as a good option, since that's less unique. Security as well! Someone earlier said that certifications command $, and that's true. I'm not sure which but if you're interested in networking it's be good to find what the good certs are. They will also be a make or break item for many jobs, unless you happen to have crazy experience instead. Heck, that's me. No 4yr degree but I'm never shied away from because you just can't find people with the same knowledge which can only be learned from doing the job. Networking is less so, but still I'd bet you can learn more on the job than "studying" for 4 years. That's a whole other discussion though.
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    Originally Posted by tunafishha View Post
    Wow, you gave it too much thought.

    Just answer me this, is healthcare too expensive? Yes? Ok I wonder why.
    Definitely buy it was a long time before this stuff came around. I'd start with medicine and supplies. After that, the electronic data systems and their support are huge costs, but eventually pay for themselves and aren't a cost-per-patient item like drugs and the like.

    Sure it requires people to make them run day to day, but hospitals have had programmers on mainframes forever. A few more won't hurt too much. Hospitals pay lots of higher end staff much more than most would expect. Working with them it's odd to see and makes you wonder WTF they actually do. If I feel overpaid, I can't imagine how these poepoe sleep at night 😅

    But for real I think malpractice and insurance, doctor burnout, etc. have a lot to do with it too.
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    Originally Posted by StinnerOzz View Post
    Definitely buy it was a long time before this stuff came around. I'd start with medicine and supplies. After that, the electronic data systems and their support are huge costs, but eventually pay for themselves and aren't a cost-per-patient item like drugs and the like.

    Sure it requires people to make them run day to day, but hospitals have had programmers on mainframes forever. A few more won't hurt too much. Hospitals pay lots of higher end staff much more than most would expect. Working with them it's odd to see and makes you wonder WTF they actually do. If I feel overpaid, I can't imagine how these poepoe sleep at night ������

    But for real I think malpractice and insurance, doctor burnout, etc. have a lot to do with it too.
    Honestly I don't know too much about Hospitals so I shouldn't have spoke on it. But I will git back to you when Ive done some research.

    Alls I do know is that there's a ton of money involved.
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