View Poll Results: How many USA covid deaths on May 1

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  • Less than 2,000

    20 7.46%
  • 2,000 - 20,000

    88 32.84%
  • 20,001 - 50,000

    71 26.49%
  • 50,001 - 150,000

    55 20.52%
  • 150,001 - 300,000

    12 4.48%
  • More than 300K

    22 8.21%
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    Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    wincel dude, why not take a break until may 1. whether you're going to be right or wrong, debating it now serves no useful purpose and continuing to make fake accounts is just a really juvenile look. you're destroying any credibility you hope to have with each new account you create.
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    Originally Posted by bwahahwhahh View Post
    No idea. I'd say it is reasonable to assume only around 5% of those who have it get tested. If so, then that would mean maybe 8.5 to 9 mil people in the US have or have had the virus. IDK what the maximum would be, but we clearly have a ways to go before most of the population has encountered it. Hopefully, we won't need to get there though. If they can quarantine affected regions, they can really drop it to where there won't be too many new cases. Right now, NY is a chithole, but they have seen covid cases all over the country, so it is only a matter of time before we see explosions elsewhere.
    So you think 2.7% of the population have it?
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Vast majority are working? Are you insane?
    Last I checked, unless unemployment was around 50% then yes, the majority of the country is working.

    Since unemployment is still low even with the "lockdown", yes, the vast majority of people are still working.
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Vast majority are working? Are you insane?
    Are you?

    Do you have any idea how many jobs are considered essential? And then consider all the supply chains supporting them from manufacturing to distribution wholesale and retail etc.

    Example I work in trades related distribution we're all working, the contractors that buy from us are working, the manufactures that supply us are working. The logistics companies that move this crap around are working.

    Same can be said about the auto industry, the medical industry, the sanitation industry, on and on and on and on.
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    Amazing that people here still think this is comparable to the flu. Absolutely astonishing.
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    Originally Posted by bwahahwhahh View Post
    Yeah something like that would be my ballpark. Could realistically be anywhere up to even like 10% though. All depends on how representative the testing is of the general population. I have no way to quantify that. Considering how it starts out mild and seems like a flu for most young people, we really have no way of knowing. It is possible that most of the population has already encountered the virus, but I doubt it because of the way the growth curve looks. This is also mainly exploding in NY, but it will catch on elsewhere too. It clearly hasn't yet.
    I think at this point that growth curve is useless information skewed by so many variables.


    At this point it’s more reflective of our emerging ability to test than anything else.
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    Amazing that people here still think this is comparable to the flu. Absolutely astonishing.
    You are honestly astonished that a primarily republican forum is full of scientifically illiterate dregs?
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    Originally Posted by bwahahwhahh View Post
    The death curve matters too, and it is showing exponential growth as well. Testing also hasn't grown exponentially afaik. Positive tests, on the other hand, have. Hospitals in NY are complaining about running out of stuff so clearly the virus is making waves. More and more people are starting to know someone affected.

    As of now death curve is all that matters IMO.


    The reminder is basically useless information -maybe later it will mean some thing when we hit a baseline of an equivalent number of test we are able to administer daily.
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    Originally Posted by bwahahwhahh View Post
    The death curve matters too, and it is showing exponential growth as well. Testing also hasn't grown exponentially afaik. Positive tests, on the other hand, have. Hospitals in NY are complaining about running out of stuff so clearly the virus is making waves. More and more people are starting to know someone affected.
    Wish we knew how many deaths are dead with Covid not dead because of covid. Right now if you test positive even if asymptomatic you're classified as a covid death.
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    Originally Posted by bwahahwhahh View Post
    True. But let's also keep in mind they have noticed a large increase in the number of at home deaths from people. These numbers are not being included in covid estimates of death even though this is likely due to covid. Most experts have suggested the death estimates are actually undercounting the deaths and not overcounting them for this reason, in spite of the potential for a falsely attributed death to covid.
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    Originally Posted by BearyManilowe View Post
    Last I checked, unless unemployment was around 50% then yes, the majority of the country is working.

    Since unemployment is still low even with the "lockdown", yes, the vast majority of people are still working.
    The vast majority of people were still working during the great depression too.

    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    Right now if you test positive even if asymptomatic you're classified as a covid death.
    that's a lie. They aren't testing people who show no symptoms but who die in car crashes or because of a heart attack. Much cope.
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Vast majority are working? Are you insane?
    Now, now, only 15 million peeps have filed for unemployment the last 3 weeks. We've got the best unemployment numbers. Beautiful unemployment. The most beautiful jobless claims, big league.
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    Some folk sure are desperate to keep the flu schtick going, aren't they.
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    Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    The vast majority of people were still working during the great depression too.
    So then, yes, the vast majority of people are still working. Thanks for agreeing with us.
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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    Wish we knew how many deaths are dead with Covid not dead because of covid. Right now if you test positive even if asymptomatic you're classified as a covid death.

    Let’s assume 10% of the population have the virus.


    Personally I think thats low.


    So going in to this the US average of 7300 deaths today.


    So then you could assume 730 covid deaths per day were already death that we’re going to happen, and use the excess amount of whatever the person of population that have the virus as your measuring point.



    The only problem with that is we might also have some reduced deaths from people staying at home.


    So what ever ends up if we reach a constant baseline of deaths less than the population % that have the virus, we are more or less done with it.
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    Evening rankings





    US holding vert steady, only at 45.



    Europe is getting crushed.



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    You don’t let the “stem experts” make decisions or policy you leave that the leadership.

    The culture of “let the experts decide” is paying the price- stem minds are incapable of incorporating wisdom with thought.


    The social distance too much too early, with the wrong people - and failed young people developing herd immunity in time.


    A few of the leaders wanted to but ,then succumb to the pressure.
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    sooo looks like the daily number of new confirmed cases so far peaked on 4/4. Which is good I guess.
    I mean I wouldn't be surprised if we see an upswing still but nevertheless looks like top of the curve is incoming bros.
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    Originally Posted by ScottTil View Post
    sooo looks like the daily number of new confirmed cases so far peaked on 4/4. Which is good I guess.
    I mean I wouldn't be surprised if we see an upswing still but nevertheless looks like top of the curve is incoming bros.
    https://cv19info.live/us/

    I’ll get my hopes up in June.


    I think it prob hit the west coast mostly in December, and we just didn’t measure.


    We will see I guess.
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    Originally Posted by gachase21 View Post
    I’ll get my hopes up in June.


    I think it prob hit the west coast mostly in December, and we just didn’t measure.


    We will see I guess.
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    Originally Posted by BearyManilowe View Post
    So then, yes, the vast majority of people are still working. Thanks for agreeing with us.
    point being that saying "a vast majority are still working" is a meaningless statement as during the greatest economic collapse known to the modern world there was still 75% employment.

    there's probably maybe never been a point in history when the vast majority of people were NOT working.







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    Originally Posted by ScottTil View Post
    sooo looks like the daily number of new confirmed cases so far peaked on 4/4. Which is good I guess.
    I mean I wouldn't be surprised if we see an upswing still but nevertheless looks like top of the curve is incoming bros.
    https://cv19info.live/us/
    daily data is a little choppy and can be delayed based on reporting from individual hospitals

    weekly trends are a little more reliable.

    there's a slight slowing of new cases per day as a percentage of total cases in the US. not a lot, but some.

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    Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    point being that saying "a vast majority are still working" is a meaningless statement as during the greatest economic collapse known to the modern world there was still 75% employment.

    there's probably maybe never been a point in history when the vast majority of people were NOT working.







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    It’s insane , France jumped to 160’s that quick and UK all the way to 106.
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    Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    daily data is a little choppy and can be delayed based on reporting from individual hospitals

    weekly trends are a little more reliable.

    there's a slight slowing of new cases per day as a percentage of total cases in the US. not a lot, but some.

    https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/

    Again, I wouldn’t take the slowing in cases meaning there’s a slow in cases- it just means were getting more steady at our testing rate.


    I don’t think we have a clue right now if we are accelerating or not.


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    The mysterious connection between the coronavirus and the heart


    Doctors say some patients with COVID-19 can have heart damage.
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    Originally Posted by gachase21 View Post
    It’s insane , France jumped to 160’s that quick and UK all the way to 106.
    France previously only counted fatalities in hospitals. Anyone that tested positive and then died in a nursing home didn’t get counted. They started adding those in (something like 2000). They still haven’t gone back to check it in home deaths are higher than normal (NYC in home death is 4x normal the last 2 weeks for example).
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    Originally Posted by gachase21 View Post
    Again, I wouldn’t take the slowing in cases meaning there’s a slow in cases- it just means were getting more steady at our testing rate.


    I don’t think we have a clue right now if we are accelerating or not.


    As well we may have had 20k deaths in January not realized it.

    testing in the US is still a clown show.

    here's a nursing home with hundreds of residents and staff and they're just assuming that they all have covid at this point as they can't test them all despite the majority having symptoms https://nypost.com/2020/04/08/entire...have-covid-19/
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    So the projected deaths for the US has gone from 2.2 million to 60,000 according to the "models" and will continue to go down every day I'm guessing. Good news but those who have hyped this thing up so bad like the media should be ashamed. That is slightly less than the total amount of flu deaths 61,099 in the 2017/2018 season. This was with no lockdowns and a vaccine fully available to anyone who wanted it.
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    Originally Posted by Fishman15 View Post
    So the projected deaths for the US has gone from 2.2 million to 60,000 according to the "models" and will continue to go down every day I'm guessing. Good news but those who have hyped this thing up so bad like the media should be ashamed...
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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    Wish we knew how many deaths are dead with Covid not dead because of covid. Right now if you test positive even if asymptomatic you're classified as a covid death.
    And how many totally asymptomatic positive deaths do you really think there are? The question with comorbidity is that there are many very old people with lots of end-of-life health issues who get the disease and it's the thing that kills them but they probably would be dead within several months anyway and this just happened to be the final thing that got them. Should they be counted as Covid or more importantly, should the country be panicking over the fact that they are? But these are NOT asymptomatic patients. No one who is old and frail is going to be asymptomatic. OTOH, if someone is 50 or 60 instead of 90 and is asymptomatic, then asthma or diabetes or hypertension or whatever aren't going to kill them for another 20 years but Covid does. Those are clearly people who died from Covid not just with it.
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    Originally Posted by Fishman15 View Post
    So the projected deaths for the US has gone from 2.2 million to 60,000 according to the "models" and will continue to go down every day I'm guessing. Good news but those who have hyped this thing up so bad like the media should be ashamed. That is slightly less than the total amount of flu deaths 61,099 in the 2017/2018 season. This was with no lockdowns and a vaccine fully available to anyone who wanted it.
    60,000 is only the projection until 8/4. Even if the total deaths are only 60,000 at that time, it's not over then. There will be another mini-spike in the fall, and I'd be shocked if the total death count is under 100,000 by the time this is over. Also, 60,000 depends on the assumption of total social distancing. If life was going on as normal like it was during that flu season, the count would be far greater than the 60,000 projected under social distancing, so that really does make a big difference.
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