How many USA Coronavirus deaths by 5/1?

[SillieBazzillie]

As I posted in another thread...

I still want to see statistical comparison data for relevance




https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6826a5.htm



People die every day

Most of them are old

Many people who get the virus were going to die regardless

So now everyone that is going to die anyway that has the virus will be counted as a virus death if that happened to have the virus at time of death - the numbers will be exaggerating


So let’s say 60% of that already 7708 get it.


So then we count 4624 that’s a day for the virus that might have happened anyway.

So If we go 30 days like that - almost 140k that were going to die anyway.


The question of how many the virus kills that wouldn’t have would more be difficult to measure



Maybe we should Measure how far over our monthly average death rate and total average number per day.


A +/- comparison

Are ice cream trucks used as morgues on a regular basis?

[FatBallz]

Are ice cream trucks used as morgues on a regular basis?

What happened there chief? Did the government commandeer yours?

I don't think the ice cream man is considered an essential service. Don't worry, they'll give it back when they're done and hopefully you'll be back to work after that.

[SillieBazzillie]

What happened there chief? Did the government commandeer yours?

I don't think the ice cream man is considered an essential service. Don't worry, they'll give it back when they're done and hopefully you'll be back to work after that.

So you're ok with ice cream trucks being used as morgues?

[FatBallz]

So you're ok with ice cream trucks being used as morgues?

Not really. Sounds pretty unsanitary.

So there are two stories I found about it. One is CNN, the other is this from 2015:

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...icle-1.2291956

[|ceman]

As I posted in another thread...

I still want to see statistical comparison data for relevance




https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6826a5.htm



People die every day

Most of them are old

Many people who get the virus were going to die regardless

So now everyone that is going to die anyway that has the virus will be counted as a virus death if that happened to have the virus at time of death - the numbers will be exaggerating


So let’s say 60% of that already 7708 get it.


So then we count 4624 that’s a day for the virus that might have happened anyway.

So If we go 30 days like that - almost 140k that were going to die anyway.


The question of how many the virus kills that wouldn’t have would more be difficult to measure



Maybe we should Measure how far over our monthly average death rate and total average number per day.


A +/- comparison

solid logic.

everyone dies anyway.

maybe hospitals shouldn't even exist because everyone is going to die anyway

[JUSA]

Bro, it's not like the other causes of death away.. they all still exist. This is added to them.

I think the idea is, sorry if this is morbid, but some of these people would have died anyway. Probably true, although covid is going to step up the time table. Yet, let’s say 50,000 old people die this year of covid. What if 30,000 of them would have passed this year anyway?

Btw, Jay, you have some of the better posts in this thread but you’ve got to start making paragraphs there bro

[JUSA]

So you're ok with ice cream trucks being used as morgues?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9K_YEg5_mk&app=desktop

[|ceman]

I think the idea is, sorry if this is morbid, but some of these people would have died anyway. Probably true, although covid is going to step up the time table. Yet, let’s say 50,000 old people die this year of covid. What if 30,000 of them would have passed this year anyway?

Btw, Jay, you have some of the better posts in this thread but you’ve got to start making paragraphs there bro

if you could guarantee that only nonagenarians in failing health would be the only ones affected, one might feel moved by that logic, but there are plenty of stories coming out of otherwise healthy guys (men seem to be hit nearly 2x as hard in the death column as women) in their 30s-50s who have kids to raise and families to support who are falling seriously ill and dying.

kind of sadistically ironic that the "pro-life" guys are talking about throwing grandpa and grandma alive straight into the furnace just to keep the US economy humming along. maybe the whole "pro-life" schtick was just that all along - a gimmick.

[numberguy12]

As I posted in another thread...

I still want to see statistical comparison data for relevance




https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6826a5.htm



People die every day

Most of them are old

Many people who get the virus were going to die regardless

So now everyone that is going to die anyway that has the virus will be counted as a virus death if that happened to have the virus at time of death - the numbers will be exaggerating


So let’s say 60% of that already 7708 get it.


So then we count 4624 that’s a day for the virus that might have happened anyway.

So If we go 30 days like that - almost 140k that were going to die anyway.


The question of how many the virus kills that wouldn’t have would more be difficult to measure



Maybe we should Measure how far over our monthly average death rate and total average number per day.


A +/- comparison

This point about the death counts of cov-19 was touched on a bit in this article written by a professor of pathology:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...vid-19-deaths-

(It uses 1 of 2 free articles for The Spectator if this matters).

He is essentially saying that it's important to critically analyze the quality of the incoming data. For example in death numbers of cov-19, deaths due to the disease vs deaths just with the disease. A hypothetical along the lines of the article: Say nearly everyone was positive for some virus X, but virus X isn't especially virulent or deadly, and causes only mild symptoms. The deaths of virus X would nevertheless approach the entire overall death count in the population, even though it's just people dying with virus X in them, whatever the cause. I think the important thing again is just to make sure the data are of good quality.

[gachase21]

solid logic.

everyone dies anyway.

maybe hospitals shouldn't even exist because everyone is going to die anyway

I’m not saying it’s good, bad, high , low , whatever.


I just think we need to look at it as correctly as we can


Especially when we are trying to gather data for treatments.(I’m sure people that do that are anyway)


This is obviously worse than normal, I just would like to know the accurate number.

[|ceman]

I’m not saying it’s good, bad, high , low , whatever.


I just think we need to look at it as correctly as we can


Especially when we are trying to gather data for treatments.(I’m sure people that do that are anyway)


This is obviously worse than normal, I just would like to know the accurate number.

so if a guy that had diabetes and heart disease died from an industrial accident, it's not a huge deal because he was going to die sooner or later anyway from a heart attack, stroke, renal failure, etc.

lemme go back to watching crocodiles eat zebras at watering holes. damn nature, you heartless.

[JUSA]

kind of sadistically ironic that the "pro-life" guys are talking about throwing grandpa and grandma alive straight into the furnace just to keep the US economy humming along. maybe the whole "pro-life" schtick was just that all along - a gimmick.

I’ll make a longer, and longer winded I’m sure, post tomorrow when I’m not pecking on my phone but a couple things,

1. I saw those numbers, it’s almost entirely people already sick with something (which does include a LOT of people as we’re too fat, diabetic, stressed, etc) but young healthy people basically none.

2. I’m not pro-life, although I am against the death penalty, try not to make assumptions like that. I have always favored abortions up to 20-22 weeks and had that position at least the last 10 years if not for longer. I believe life begins around the time brain activity kicks in, prior to that: lump of cells. Human beings have rights, the right to life foremost, cells do not.

[gachase21]

This point about the death counts of cov-19 was touched on a bit in this article written by a professor of pathology:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...vid-19-deaths-

(It uses 1 of 2 free articles for The Spectator if this matters).

He is essentially saying that it's important to critically analyze the quality of the incoming data. For example in death numbers of cov-19, deaths due to the disease vs deaths just with the disease. A hypothetical along the lines of the article: Say nearly everyone was positive for some virus X, but virus X isn't especially virulent or deadly, and causes only mild symptoms. The deaths of virus X would nevertheless approach the entire overall death count in the population, even though it's just people dying with virus in them, whatever the cause. I think the important thing again is just to make sure the data are of good quality.

That article is a good description to what I’m getting at

[Mr Beer]

kind of sadistically ironic that the "pro-life" guys are talking about throwing grandpa and grandma alive straight into the furnace just to keep the US economy humming along. maybe the whole "pro-life" schtick was just that all along - a gimmick.

Woah woah woah there my guy, we're against abstract deaths that don't affect us, like someone else's fetus. But if you're risking my paycheck, well my Gramps already did his bit for the country, not like he can storm Omaha beach again, now is it?

[katya422]

So, basically, if you already have some sort of debilitating disease you should self-quarantine to protect yourself and everyone else should go back to work.

As I posted in another thread...

I still want to see statistical comparison data for relevance




https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6826a5.htm



People die every day

Most of them are old

Many people who get the virus were going to die regardless

So now everyone that is going to die anyway that has the virus will be counted as a virus death if that happened to have the virus at time of death - the numbers will be exaggerating


So let’s say 60% of that already 7708 get it.


So then we count 4624 that’s a day for the virus that might have happened anyway.

So If we go 30 days like that - almost 140k that were going to die anyway.


The question of how many the virus kills that wouldn’t have would more be difficult to measure



Maybe we should Measure how far over our monthly average death rate and total average number per day.


A +/- comparison

I think the idea is, sorry if this is morbid, but some of these people would have died anyway. Probably true, although covid is going to step up the time table. Yet, let’s say 50,000 old people die this year of covid. What if 30,000 of them would have passed this year anyway?

Btw, Jay, you have some of the better posts in this thread but you’ve got to start making paragraphs there bro

Recently posted re:Italy in the WSJ:



Essentially we haven't gotten accurate counts on deaths in Italy yet, by thousands they say:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-...ed-11585767179

[gachase21]

Recently posted re:Italy in the WSJ:



Essentially we haven't gotten accurate counts on deaths in Italy yet, by thousands they say:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-...ed-11585767179

Italy, France, and Spain all have a universal healthcare system so they will obviously be worse.


Interesting to look at, but not a relevant comparison.

[Cleveland33]

Not really. Sounds pretty unsanitary.

So there are two stories I found about it. One is CNN, the other is this from 2015:

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...icle-1.2291956

they're in body bags

[CuCkORbCuCKeD]

prove it's not the flu

[Scoresman923]

I see models showing 200k deaths would be best case scenario.

[PlanoLifter]

prove it's not the flu

Fuk off, troll

[|ceman]

I’ll make a longer, and longer winded I’m sure, post tomorrow when I’m not pecking on my phone but a couple things,

1. I saw those numbers, it’s almost entirely people already sick with something (which does include a LOT of people as we’re too fat, diabetic, stressed, etc) but young healthy people basically none.

2. I’m not pro-life, although I am against the death penalty, try not to make assumptions like that. I have always favored abortions up to 20-22 weeks and had that position at least the last 10 years if not for longer. I believe life begins around the time brain activity kicks in, prior to that: lump of cells. Human beings have rights, the right to life foremost, cells do not.

ah, didn't mean to imply that you specifically were a pro-lifer. it was a commentary in general about those pro-life people actually hypocritically being against life right now.

[jxd]

Still not enough to justify lockdown.

[PlanoLifter]

Still not enough to justify lockdown.

What do you know that health professionals around the world don't?

[jxd]

What do you know that health professionals around the world don't?

I know they are also looking out for their self interest

[PlanoLifter]

I know they are also looking out for their self interest

You didn't answer the question. Why do think a shutdown is unjustified?

[jxd]

You didn't answer the question. Why do think a shutdown is unjustified?

1. it's not a cure
2. it stops us from building up herd immunity.

[PlanoLifter]

1. it's not a cure
2. it stops us from building up herd immunity.

Nobody has claimed that's the purpose of the shutdown, however. The shutdown is intended to stop overburdening of the medical system.

[jxd]

Nobody has claimed that's the purpose of the shutdown, however. The shutdown is intended to stop overburdening of the medical system.

And that's not worth the negatives of the shutdown.

[PlanoLifter]

This makes my blood boil: Death threats against Fauci:

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4...ats-its-my-job

[PlanoLifter]

And that's not worth the negatives of the shutdown.

I'd say that remains to be seen.